Re: Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare license and is revocable by

2019-01-06 Thread vnsndalce
That may be OpenBSD policy, but it is not the law. Your OpenBSD policy cannot bind the copyright holder of the works you distribute. It's also an incorrect statement of the law. If the copyright holder did not receive consideration/payment/etc from you: you have no interest to bind him with.

Threats of "blackballing" from industry if copyright-holders rescind.

2019-01-06 Thread vnsndalce
lol, you people are idiots. In a time where you can and will be fired and ruined for ticking the wrong box, rescinding your code from a project such as the linux kernel will just blackball you from the entire industry forever. For good reason too. I wouldn't play with someone who takes the

Re: CoC loving Linux programmers swear the GPLv2 is irrevocable. They are wrong. (As are the women they wish to empower).

2019-01-01 Thread vnsndalce
Band together as a Bloc and take action together. (Bloc revocation). One practice note: do not send a cease-and-desist before-hand. Do not let your lawyer send a cease-and-desist before-hand. If a potential defendant knows that their liberties regarding a copyrighted work is in question from

Without an attached interest you can very well revoke the license and prevent all further distribution of your code, and further use of it in future versions.

2019-01-01 Thread vnsndalce
The GPL is not revocable despite not being a contract. It is a license to distribute software and you cannot revoke the license on already existing publications. All you can do is revoke the license on future publications. 1014527 Without an attached interest you can very well revoke the

They claim that your property can be taken from you because to do otherwise would be inconvenient to the people that are committed to committing the taking.

2019-01-01 Thread vnsndalce
Notice the detractors always simply say "NO u can't do this!" or "No u can't do this because this belongs to this group!". While I explain where your rights come from, their history, and their extent. Detractors say "This is like when Author, after being payed millions, tries to revoke an

There is no rule "software distribution licenses are irrevocable"

2019-01-03 Thread vnsndalce
1016160 Everybody else in the SFConverancy and the LKML disagree, a software distribution license is non-revocable. Yes, and they are wrong. All the programmers in the LKML are indeed wrong in what they believe. The non-lawyer* at the SFConverancy is indeed wrong in what he believes

Software distribution licenses are not "irrevocable as a rule"

2019-01-03 Thread vnsndalce
1016160 The difference between you and them is that you believe that the GPL requires consideration between licensee and grantor to be revocable. Everybody else in the SFConverancy and the LKML disagree, a software distribution license is non-revocable. Incorrect. The SFConverancy tries to

ZDNet article on GPL is wrong and misleading. PJ (paralegal) does not fully understand the law she's spoke about.

2019-01-03 Thread vnsndalce
Often cited now is a ZDNet article as proof that the black-letter law is wrong. https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-happens-if-you-try-to-take-your-code-out-of-linux/ In there is quoted: In 2008, Pamela Jones at Groklaw remarked to an earlier attempt to take code out of the kernel, "[You]

The GPLv2 does not contain a no-revocation-by-grantor promise. (SFConservancy's Opinion Statement claiming otherwise is bullshit.)

2019-01-03 Thread vnsndalce
1016132 I also refuted the SFConservancy's "debunking" within 5 hours, on the LKML, of it's publishing its attempted defense of the GPLv2 (they were trying to misconstrue a clause in the GPLv2 as a promise by the grantor not to revoke, which it was not. A promise, even if it existed, the

"If the contract is non-revocable only when there is consideration is paid, then it would be impossible for the GPL to exist."

2019-01-03 Thread vnsndalce
If you have a contract to distribute software complete with non-revocable interest, then there is absolutely no need for an extra license on top of that to distribute the software. The contract would define the terms of distribution and the software license would be meaningless to define >the

Re: [DNG] 2 months and no response from Eben Moglen - Yes you can rescind your grant. -- The CoC regime is a License violation - Additional restrictive terms

2018-12-24 Thread vnsndalce
Hendrik Boom, are you a lawyer? No? How about you shut your fucking mouth about things you have no clue of? Sound like a plan, ignorant lay person? Below is an explanation of just how it is a violation of the rights-holder's grant. The courts are not fooled by "clever" verbiage written up

Fwd: Re: [DNG] 2 months and no response from Eben Moglen - Yes you can rescind your grant. -- The CoC regime is a License violation - Additional restrictive terms

2018-12-24 Thread vnsndalce
Original Message Subject: Re: [DNG] 2 months and no response from Eben Moglen - Yes you can rescind your grant. -- The CoC regime is a License violation - Additional restrictive terms Date: 2018-12-24 16:24 From: vnsnda...@memeware.net To: d...@lists.dyne.org Version 2 of

A license is a temporary grant, not a transfer.

2018-12-28 Thread vnsndalce
1013746 If you think that rescinding the GPLv2 is possible why don't you do it :^) You do realize that a license pertains to the licensed article, do you not? Do you imagine that the goal is to "blanket rescind all licenses using the GPLv2 verbiage"? Is that it? Are you that stupid a lay

FWD: [gentoo-user] Re: Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare license and is revocable by the grantor.

2018-12-28 Thread vnsndalce
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2018-12-28 Thread vnsndalce
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Thank you for your insight.

2018-12-28 Thread vnsndalce
Thank you for your insight. It is a shame that there were no responses. They ignored your post, then kept baying at me: "no this is wrong" "you're not a lawyer" "I will not lower myself to refute you with arguments!". As for non-monetary consideration to support an additional no-revocation

It is my intention to inform you of your legal rights. - Yes you can rescind your code license.

2018-12-28 Thread vnsndalce
It is my intention to inform you of your legal rights. A license is revocable by the property owner. Others are suggesting to you otherwise. They are being disingenuous. With both Linux and BSD there is no attached interest (no one paid you) There is no detrimental reliance (you never promised

A license is revocable absent an attached interest. He who pays nothing, receives nothing.

2018-12-28 Thread vnsndalce
A license is revocable absent an attached interest. He who pays nothing, receives nothing. You paid nothing to Owner X. Owner X may rescind the license he has granted to you. A license is a temporary grant, not a transfer.

Re: Thank you for your insight.

2018-12-30 Thread vnsndalce
It's good that you got an opinion from an additional party. The programmers swear they know better than I on this subject. In a previous debate on the subject, the programmers decided that the fact that they followed the license was "consideration", even though without the permission from the

CoC loving Linux programmers swear the GPLv2 is irrevocable. They are wrong. (As are the women they wish to empower).

2018-12-30 Thread vnsndalce
Their take is that if you lent (licensed) them a lawnmower and told them not to wreck it, the fact that they did not wreck it entitles them to keep the lawnmower forever(they followed your instruction regarding the use of your property: "thus consideration, thus irrevocable license"). They