Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-25 Thread D. Hazelton
On Sunday 25 February 2007 19:47, David Schwartz wrote: > > > Similary, there are many ways to write inline functions present in > > headers, and no, embedded developer being lazy does not mean they can > > copy those functions into their proprietary module. > > Yes, it does. Have you read

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-25 Thread D. Hazelton
On Sunday 25 February 2007 06:54, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On 2/25/07, Pavel Machek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But a 20KLoC 3-D graphics driver that happens to #include > is not thereby a "derivative work" of the kernel, > no matter how many entrypoints are labeled EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL or >

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-25 Thread D. Hazelton
On Sunday 25 February 2007 06:54, Michael K. Edwards wrote: On 2/25/07, Pavel Machek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But a 20KLoC 3-D graphics driver that happens to #include linux/whatever.h is not thereby a derivative work of the kernel, no matter how many entrypoints are labeled

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-25 Thread D. Hazelton
On Sunday 25 February 2007 19:47, David Schwartz wrote: snip Similary, there are many ways to write inline functions present in headers, and no, embedded developer being lazy does not mean they can copy those functions into their proprietary module. Yes, it does. Have you read Lexmark v.

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-22 Thread D. Hazelton
On Thursday 22 February 2007 09:10, Alan wrote: > > As a side note: The distinct wording of the GPL actually *invalidates* > > the GNU/FSF claim that dynamically linking a work with, say, the readline > > library, means the work is a derivative of said library. The GPL states > > (in > > Not that

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-22 Thread D. Hazelton
On Thursday 22 February 2007 11:45, Theodore Tso wrote: > But saying that just by licensing your code under the GPL means that > the FSF owns your code? That's just crazy talk. > > - Ted Actually, I've replied with private messages to several mails

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-22 Thread D. Hazelton
On Thursday 22 February 2007 11:45, Theodore Tso wrote: snip But saying that just by licensing your code under the GPL means that the FSF owns your code? That's just crazy talk. - Ted Actually, I've replied with private messages to several mails

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-22 Thread D. Hazelton
On Thursday 22 February 2007 09:10, Alan wrote: As a side note: The distinct wording of the GPL actually *invalidates* the GNU/FSF claim that dynamically linking a work with, say, the readline library, means the work is a derivative of said library. The GPL states (in Not that I can see

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-21 Thread D. Hazelton
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 21:05, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On 2/21/07, D. Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Related to that... Though a parser generated by Bison and a tokenizer > > generated by Flex both contain large chunks of GPL'd code, their > > i

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-21 Thread D. Hazelton
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 19:28, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > I think you just misread. I said that the Evil Linker has cheerfully > shipped the source code of the modified POP server. He may not have > given you the compiler he compiled it with, wihout which the source > code is a nice piece

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-21 Thread D. Hazelton
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 19:28, Michael K. Edwards wrote: I think you just misread. I said that the Evil Linker has cheerfully shipped the source code of the modified POP server. He may not have given you the compiler he compiled it with, wihout which the source code is a nice piece of

Re: GPL vs non-GPL device drivers

2007-02-21 Thread D. Hazelton
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 21:05, Michael K. Edwards wrote: On 2/21/07, D. Hazelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Related to that... Though a parser generated by Bison and a tokenizer generated by Flex both contain large chunks of GPL'd code, their inclusion in the source file

Re: somebody dropped a (warning) bomb

2007-02-08 Thread D. Hazelton
On Thursday 08 February 2007 19:42, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Most C types don't, and some you can't even tell (do pointers generate > "signed" or "unsigned" comparisons? I'll argue that a compiler that > generates signed comparisons for them is broken, but it tends to be > something you can only

Re: somebody dropped a (warning) bomb

2007-02-08 Thread D. Hazelton
On Thursday 08 February 2007 19:42, Linus Torvalds wrote: snip Most C types don't, and some you can't even tell (do pointers generate signed or unsigned comparisons? I'll argue that a compiler that generates signed comparisons for them is broken, but it tends to be something you can only see

Re: [PATCH] KVM: 'asm' operand has impossible constraints

2007-01-27 Thread D. Hazelton
On Saturday 27 January 2007 16:28, S.Çağlar Onur wrote: > 27 Oca 2007 Cts tarihinde, Avi Kivity şunları yazmıştı: > > The patch looks correct, but I don't understand the gcc error message. > > Are we sure this isn't a gcc 4.2 bug? > > > > "g" appears to be equivalent to "rmi", if "i" is

Re: [PATCH] KVM: 'asm' operand has impossible constraints

2007-01-27 Thread D. Hazelton
On Saturday 27 January 2007 16:28, S.Çağlar Onur wrote: 27 Oca 2007 Cts tarihinde, Avi Kivity şunları yazmıştı: The patch looks correct, but I don't understand the gcc error message. Are we sure this isn't a gcc 4.2 bug? g appears to be equivalent to rmi, if i is impossible, gcc is free

Re: kernel + gcc 4.1 = several problems

2007-01-02 Thread D. Hazelton
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 18:24, you wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 05:06:14PM -0500, D. Hazelton wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:56, Alistair John Strachan wrote: > > > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 21:10, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > [snip] > > > >

Re: kernel + gcc 4.1 = several problems

2007-01-02 Thread D. Hazelton
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:56, Alistair John Strachan wrote: > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 21:10, Adrian Bunk wrote: > [snip] > > > > > Comparing your report and [1], it seems that if these are the same > > > > problem, it's not a hardware bug but a gcc or kernel bug. > > > > > > This bug

Re: kernel + gcc 4.1 = several problems

2007-01-02 Thread D. Hazelton
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:56, Alistair John Strachan wrote: On Tuesday 02 January 2007 21:10, Adrian Bunk wrote: [snip] Comparing your report and [1], it seems that if these are the same problem, it's not a hardware bug but a gcc or kernel bug. This bug specifically indicates

Re: kernel + gcc 4.1 = several problems

2007-01-02 Thread D. Hazelton
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 18:24, you wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 05:06:14PM -0500, D. Hazelton wrote: On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:56, Alistair John Strachan wrote: On Tuesday 02 January 2007 21:10, Adrian Bunk wrote: [snip] Comparing your report and [1], it seems

Re: Happy Birthday to Our Fearless Leader

2006-12-27 Thread D. Hazelton
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 18:39, David R. Meyer wrote: > I hope it doesn't get me kicked off the list for unnecessary traffic, > but Happy Birthday Linus. Thanks for making computing fun again > > Dave > Oh, wow, I totally missed the initial post. Happy Birthday, Linus! DRH > Loye

Re: Happy Birthday to Our Fearless Leader

2006-12-27 Thread D. Hazelton
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 18:39, David R. Meyer wrote: I hope it doesn't get me kicked off the list for unnecessary traffic, but Happy Birthday Linus. Thanks for making computing fun again Dave Oh, wow, I totally missed the initial post. Happy Birthday, Linus! DRH Loye Young

Re: [Alsa-devel] HDA Intel sound driver fails on Acer notebook

2006-12-19 Thread D. Hazelton
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 20:48, tony mancill wrote: > FWIW, using pci=noacpi seems to break the USB controller on this laptop. > I get "device not accepting address xx, error -110. Strange. I'm using an Acer Aspire 1640Z and the sound works perfectly. Of course Kubuntu was the only distro I

Re: [Alsa-devel] HDA Intel sound driver fails on Acer notebook

2006-12-19 Thread D. Hazelton
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 20:48, tony mancill wrote: FWIW, using pci=noacpi seems to break the USB controller on this laptop. I get device not accepting address xx, error -110. Strange. I'm using an Acer Aspire 1640Z and the sound works perfectly. Of course Kubuntu was the only distro I

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-18 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 18 December 2006 12:16, David Schwartz wrote: > Combined responses to save bandwidth and reduce the number of times people > have to press "d". > > > Agreed. You missed the point. > > I don't understand how you could lead with "agreed" and then proceed to > completely ignore the entire

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-18 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 18 December 2006 20:35, David Schwartz wrote: > > For both static and dynamic linking, you might claim the output is an > > aggregate, but that doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not > > the output is a work based on the program, and whether the "mere > > aggregation" paragraph

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-18 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 18 December 2006 14:41, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Dec 17, 2006, Kyle Moffett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On the other hand, certain projects like OpenAFS, while not license- > > compatible, are certainly not derivative works. > > Certainly a big chunk of OpenAFS might not be, just

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-18 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 18 December 2006 10:47, Dave Neuer wrote: > On 12/17/06, D. Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 17 December 2006 16:32, David Schwartz wrote: > > > > I would argue that this is _particularly_ pertinent with regards to > > > > Linux.

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-18 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 18 December 2006 10:47, Dave Neuer wrote: On 12/17/06, D. Hazelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 17 December 2006 16:32, David Schwartz wrote: I would argue that this is _particularly_ pertinent with regards to Linux. For example, if you look at many of our atomics

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-18 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 18 December 2006 14:41, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Dec 17, 2006, Kyle Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, certain projects like OpenAFS, while not license- compatible, are certainly not derivative works. Certainly a big chunk of OpenAFS might not be, just like a big

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-18 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 18 December 2006 20:35, David Schwartz wrote: For both static and dynamic linking, you might claim the output is an aggregate, but that doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not the output is a work based on the program, and whether the mere aggregation paragraph kicks in.

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-18 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 18 December 2006 12:16, David Schwartz wrote: Combined responses to save bandwidth and reduce the number of times people have to press d. Agreed. You missed the point. I don't understand how you could lead with agreed and then proceed to completely ignore the entire point I just

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-17 Thread D. Hazelton
"Usermode Driver" interface that is being worked on ever proves useful then, and only then, could you consider it *NOT* a derivative work. Because then the only thing it is using *IS* an interface, not complete chunks of the source as generated when the pre-processor finishes running through

Re: GPL only modules

2006-12-17 Thread D. Hazelton
, not complete chunks of the source as generated when the pre-processor finishes running through the file. But as David said - IANAL D. Hazelton - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http

Re: Overriding X on panic

2006-11-26 Thread D. Hazelton
On Sunday 26 November 2006 17:19, Dave Airlie wrote: > On 11/27/06, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:18:41 +0100 > > > > Arjan van de Ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The mode switch sequences for modern cards are a bit more hairy than > > > > lists of I/O poking

Re: Overriding X on panic

2006-11-26 Thread D. Hazelton
On Sunday 26 November 2006 17:19, Dave Airlie wrote: On 11/27/06, Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:18:41 +0100 Arjan van de Ven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mode switch sequences for modern cards are a bit more hairy than lists of I/O poking unfortunately.

Re: [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default

2006-11-16 Thread D. Hazelton
On Wednesday 15 November 2006 23:25, Lu, Yinghai wrote: > I think the root cause in hda_intel driver's self. > > It gets io-apic irq initialized at first, and it will use > azx_acquire_irq to install handler after check if MSI can be enabled. > And when it try to enable the MSI, that will start

Re: [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default

2006-11-16 Thread D. Hazelton
On Wednesday 15 November 2006 23:25, Lu, Yinghai wrote: I think the root cause in hda_intel driver's self. It gets io-apic irq initialized at first, and it will use azx_acquire_irq to install handler after check if MSI can be enabled. And when it try to enable the MSI, that will start the int

Re: GFS, what's remaining

2005-09-03 Thread D. Hazelton
On Saturday 03 September 2005 02:14, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Sat, 2005-09-03 at 13:18 +0800, David Teigland wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 01:21:04PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > - Why GFS is better than OCFS2, or has functionality which

Re: GFS, what's remaining

2005-09-03 Thread D. Hazelton
On Saturday 03 September 2005 02:14, Arjan van de Ven wrote: On Sat, 2005-09-03 at 13:18 +0800, David Teigland wrote: On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 01:21:04PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Why GFS is better than OCFS2, or has functionality which OCFS2

Re: oops in 2.6.13-rc6-git5

2005-08-15 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 15 August 2005 08:22, Jesper Juhl wrote: > Can you reproduce the crash reliably? > Can you reproduce the crash with a non-tainted kernel? I've tried several times now to reproduce the oops, but there might have been another factor that led to the oops, because just booting the kernel

Re: oops in 2.6.13-rc6-git5

2005-08-15 Thread D. Hazelton
On Monday 15 August 2005 08:22, Jesper Juhl wrote: Can you reproduce the crash reliably? Can you reproduce the crash with a non-tainted kernel? I've tried several times now to reproduce the oops, but there might have been another factor that led to the oops, because just booting the kernel and