Re: Wasting our Freedom
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:56:47AM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: > all of the megabytes and megabhytes of flamewar is over these two > lines: > > > * Copyright (c) 2006-2007 Nick Kossifidis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Copyright (c) 2007 Jiri Slaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Petty, isn't it? Let's just say it's b.s. like this which is why, 16 > years ago, I decided to work with Linux instead of BSD. copyright assertion == claim of ownership, or posession. posession is 9/10 of the law. was it petty of UCB to claim copyrights over code USL claimed ownersip of? was it also petty of Novell to claim that they, and not SCO, owned the copyright to UNIX? sorry, but calling attribution claims of any sort "petty" is nothing short of dangerous ignorance. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:56:47AM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: all of the megabytes and megabhytes of flamewar is over these two lines: * Copyright (c) 2006-2007 Nick Kossifidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Copyright (c) 2007 Jiri Slaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Petty, isn't it? Let's just say it's b.s. like this which is why, 16 years ago, I decided to work with Linux instead of BSD. copyright assertion == claim of ownership, or posession. posession is 9/10 of the law. was it petty of UCB to claim copyrights over code USL claimed ownersip of? was it also petty of Novell to claim that they, and not SCO, owned the copyright to UNIX? sorry, but calling attribution claims of any sort petty is nothing short of dangerous ignorance. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 09:47:43AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > Your problem seems to be with the BSD licence, > and the power to alter that licence lies in the BSD community. I hope you can understand that this mentality is _exactly_ what has some in the BSD community so upset. when I see the linux community start to take credit for works they did not create and I see the linux community respond to warnings that people in the community are going overboard and jeopardizing the linux community, which we do all benefit from, with a more or less "whatever" attitude, it makes me sad. it would be like losing a friend. I don't like losing friends, so I get vocal. I don't understand why the linux community can't seem to say, "We can accept BSD licensed code. There's no need to add the GPL to it." and maybe even, "Although we strongly prefer the GPL, respect for other licenses is every bit as important as respect for the GPL." I could be wrong, but I strongly believe that if the above was truly accepted and believed by the community, the actions that started and spread this whole debacle^Wdebate would not have happened in the first place. look, the GPL legally forces others to keep the same license. the BSD community is asking the linux community do the same. and when the linux community refuses, what do you expect the recourse to be? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 09:47:43AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: Your problem seems to be with the BSD licence, and the power to alter that licence lies in the BSD community. I hope you can understand that this mentality is _exactly_ what has some in the BSD community so upset. when I see the linux community start to take credit for works they did not create and I see the linux community respond to warnings that people in the community are going overboard and jeopardizing the linux community, which we do all benefit from, with a more or less whatever attitude, it makes me sad. it would be like losing a friend. I don't like losing friends, so I get vocal. I don't understand why the linux community can't seem to say, We can accept BSD licensed code. There's no need to add the GPL to it. and maybe even, Although we strongly prefer the GPL, respect for other licenses is every bit as important as respect for the GPL. I could be wrong, but I strongly believe that if the above was truly accepted and believed by the community, the actions that started and spread this whole debacle^Wdebate would not have happened in the first place. look, the GPL legally forces others to keep the same license. the BSD community is asking the linux community do the same. and when the linux community refuses, what do you expect the recourse to be? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 05:12:08PM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: > reimplement them. Why don't you go and try asking NetApp for sources > to WAFL, and claim that they have "moral" duty to give the code back, > and see how quickly you get laughed out of the office? which is _exactly_ what you guys are doing. so the linux community is morally equivilent to a corporation? that's what it sounds like you are all legally satisfied with. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 05:12:08PM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: reimplement them. Why don't you go and try asking NetApp for sources to WAFL, and claim that they have moral duty to give the code back, and see how quickly you get laughed out of the office? which is _exactly_ what you guys are doing. so the linux community is morally equivilent to a corporation? that's what it sounds like you are all legally satisfied with. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 03:33:18AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: thank you. I've tried but I get too pissed. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 03:33:18AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: the clearest public analysis of the situation yet thank you. I've tried but I get too pissed. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:30:52PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > If OpenBSD wants a world where code must be returned OpenBSD does not want this. OpenBSD wants a world where people do things because they are the right thing to do. OpenBSD lets you decide; it doesn't dictate. someone poo-poos your decision, well, it was your decision. someone poo-poos you because you do exactly the thing that you are so afraid of having happen to you, well, it was your decision. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Fwd: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:30:52PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: If OpenBSD wants a world where code must be returned OpenBSD does not want this. OpenBSD wants a world where people do things because they are the right thing to do. OpenBSD lets you decide; it doesn't dictate. someone poo-poos your decision, well, it was your decision. someone poo-poos you because you do exactly the thing that you are so afraid of having happen to you, well, it was your decision. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
