Re: [rfc 08/45] cpu alloc: x86 support

2007-11-26 Thread John Richard Moser
Andi Kleen wrote: On Tuesday 20 November 2007 04:50, Christoph Lameter wrote: On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, Andi Kleen wrote: You could in theory move the modules, but then you would need to implement a full PIC dynamic linker for them first and also increase runtime overhead for them because they

Re: [rfc 08/45] cpu alloc: x86 support

2007-11-26 Thread John Richard Moser
Andi Kleen wrote: On Tuesday 20 November 2007 04:50, Christoph Lameter wrote: On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, Andi Kleen wrote: You could in theory move the modules, but then you would need to implement a full PIC dynamic linker for them first and also increase runtime overhead for them because they

Re: via_drm bug

2007-06-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Airlie wrote: > On 6/10/07, John Richard Moser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This has been an on-going issue for I don't know how long. I > reported it a while ago but it's still in 2.6.22. > > Here's another error

via_drm bug

2007-06-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This has been an on-going issue for I don't know how long. I reported it a while ago but it's still in 2.6.22. Here's another error log. Loaded the Via driver in Xorg with kernel 2.6.22 on Ubuntu, got the following in dmesg. The

via_drm bug

2007-06-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This has been an on-going issue for I don't know how long. I reported it a while ago but it's still in 2.6.22. Here's another error log. Loaded the Via driver in Xorg with kernel 2.6.22 on Ubuntu, got the following in dmesg. The

Re: via_drm bug

2007-06-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Airlie wrote: On 6/10/07, John Richard Moser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has been an on-going issue for I don't know how long. I reported it a while ago but it's still in 2.6.22. Here's another error log. Loaded the Via driver

Re: evading ulimits

2006-12-23 Thread John Richard Moser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:42:10 EST, John Richard Moser said: >> >> Jan Engelhardt wrote: >>>> I've set up some stuff on my box where /etc/security/limits.conf >>>> contains the following: >>>> >>>> @users

Re: evading ulimits

2006-12-23 Thread John Richard Moser
Jan Engelhardt wrote: >> I've set up some stuff on my box where /etc/security/limits.conf >> contains the following: >> >> @users softnproc 3072 >> @users hardnproc 4096 >> >> I'm in group users, and a simple fork bomb is easily quashed by this: >>

Re: evading ulimits

2006-12-23 Thread John Richard Moser
Jan Engelhardt wrote: I've set up some stuff on my box where /etc/security/limits.conf contains the following: @users softnproc 3072 @users hardnproc 4096 I'm in group users, and a simple fork bomb is easily quashed by this: [EMAIL

Re: evading ulimits

2006-12-23 Thread John Richard Moser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:42:10 EST, John Richard Moser said: Jan Engelhardt wrote: I've set up some stuff on my box where /etc/security/limits.conf contains the following: @users softnproc 3072 @users hardnproc 4096

evading ulimits

2006-12-22 Thread John Richard Moser
I've set up some stuff on my box where /etc/security/limits.conf contains the following: @users softnproc 3072 @users hardnproc 4096 I'm in group users, and a simple fork bomb is easily quashed by this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ :(){ :|:; };: bash: fork:

evading ulimits

2006-12-22 Thread John Richard Moser
I've set up some stuff on my box where /etc/security/limits.conf contains the following: @users softnproc 3072 @users hardnproc 4096 I'm in group users, and a simple fork bomb is easily quashed by this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ :(){ :|:; };: bash: fork:

Re: libata and sata?

2006-12-18 Thread John Richard Moser
Alan wrote: >> I no longer have two kernels to test through; I can't tell if the speed >> is back or not. Nothing in dmesg tells me if SATA is using DMA or >> 32-bit IO support though, so I don't know... lack of knowledge over here >> is killing me for troubleshooting this on my own. > > The

Re: libata and sata?

2006-12-18 Thread John Richard Moser
Alan wrote: I no longer have two kernels to test through; I can't tell if the speed is back or not. Nothing in dmesg tells me if SATA is using DMA or 32-bit IO support though, so I don't know... lack of knowledge over here is killing me for troubleshooting this on my own. The dmesg

libata and sata?

2006-12-12 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A while back my distro moved to libata for sata_via. I was since confused; my disk seemed a lot slower, and it looked like DMA was off. I'm not sure how SATA works; is it even possible to enable/disable 32-bit IO and DMA? Or are those just on?

libata and sata?

2006-12-12 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A while back my distro moved to libata for sata_via. I was since confused; my disk seemed a lot slower, and it looked like DMA was off. I'm not sure how SATA works; is it even possible to enable/disable 32-bit IO and DMA? Or are those just on?

Re: noexec=on doesn't work

2006-12-11 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Piel wrote: > 12/09/2006 09:03 PM, Kyle McMartin wrote/a écrit: >> On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 02:34:47PM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: >>> I have filed this as a distro bug with Ubuntu; it may be their issue, I >>&

Re: noexec=on doesn't work

2006-12-11 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Piel wrote: 12/09/2006 09:03 PM, Kyle McMartin wrote/a écrit: On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 02:34:47PM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: I have filed this as a distro bug with Ubuntu; it may be their issue, I haven't dug deep enough to find out

Re: PAE/NX without performance drain?

2006-12-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Ebbert wrote: > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:39:30 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >> Is it possible to give some other way to get the hardware NX bit working >> in 32-bi

Re: PAE/NX without performance drain?

2006-12-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Ebbert wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:39:30 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: Is it possible to give some other way to get the hardware NX bit working in 32-bit mode, without the apparently massive

PAE/NX without performance drain?

2006-12-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Apparently (as I've been told today) using a hardware NX bit in a 32-bit x86 kernel requires PAE mode. PAE mode is enabled with HIGHMEM64, which is (apparently) extremely slow. Is it possible to give some other way to get the hardware NX bit working

Re: noexec=on doesn't work

2006-12-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kyle McMartin wrote: > On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 02:34:47PM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: >> I have filed this as a distro bug with Ubuntu; it may be their issue, I >> haven't dug deep enough to find out. I am posting this h

noexec=on doesn't work

2006-12-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm running on an Athlon 64 in 32-bit mode, running 32-bit Ubuntu with kernel 2.6.19 (Ubuntu version 2.6.19-7-generic for the curious; compiled for 586). Apparently, 'noexec=on' on the kernel command line does nothing; the NX bit seems to not work.

noexec=on doesn't work

2006-12-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm running on an Athlon 64 in 32-bit mode, running 32-bit Ubuntu with kernel 2.6.19 (Ubuntu version 2.6.19-7-generic for the curious; compiled for 586). Apparently, 'noexec=on' on the kernel command line does nothing; the NX bit seems to not work.

Re: noexec=on doesn't work

2006-12-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kyle McMartin wrote: On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 02:34:47PM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: I have filed this as a distro bug with Ubuntu; it may be their issue, I haven't dug deep enough to find out. I am posting this here to disperse

PAE/NX without performance drain?

2006-12-09 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Apparently (as I've been told today) using a hardware NX bit in a 32-bit x86 kernel requires PAE mode. PAE mode is enabled with HIGHMEM64, which is (apparently) extremely slow. Is it possible to give some other way to get the hardware NX bit working

Kernel profiles anyone?

2005-09-06 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are there any recent kernel profiles? I think from an acedemic perspective it'd be nice to see some graphs and numbers nobody understands showing where the longest running code paths in the kernel occur. It might also be nice for those latency

Kernel profiles anyone?

2005-09-06 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are there any recent kernel profiles? I think from an acedemic perspective it'd be nice to see some graphs and numbers nobody understands showing where the longest running code paths in the kernel occur. It might also be nice for those latency

SELinux policies, memory protections

2005-08-13 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was writing a section of my paper ("Designing a Secure and Friendly Operating System") and basically describing and explaining why the memory protection policy ("mprotect() restrictions") supplied by PaX is a powerful security tool; and I had a

SELinux policies, memory protections

2005-08-13 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was writing a section of my paper (Designing a Secure and Friendly Operating System) and basically describing and explaining why the memory protection policy (mprotect() restrictions) supplied by PaX is a powerful security tool; and I had a thought.

Fault tolerance. . .

2005-07-24 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm playing Skies of Arcadia Legends on my GameCube and noticing that software bugs continuously produce errors (no scratch on the disk; I can have an error, reset, play through it easy). This leads me on and on, but now it's lead me into thinking

Fault tolerance. . .

2005-07-24 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm playing Skies of Arcadia Legends on my GameCube and noticing that software bugs continuously produce errors (no scratch on the disk; I can have an error, reset, play through it easy). This leads me on and on, but now it's lead me into thinking

USB on zx5405us

2005-04-11 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 USB isn't working on my zv5405us on a 2.6.10 ubuntu kernel. Or on gentoo. Or anything. It works in WindowsXP though. I can extract the error from dmesg. Here's ACPI first (ACPI works btw) Nvidia board detected. Ignoring ACPI timer override.

USB on zx5405us

2005-04-11 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 USB isn't working on my zv5405us on a 2.6.10 ubuntu kernel. Or on gentoo. Or anything. It works in WindowsXP though. I can extract the error from dmesg. Here's ACPI first (ACPI works btw) Nvidia board detected. Ignoring ACPI timer override.

Re: LSM hooks

2005-03-30 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Wright wrote: > * John Richard Moser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>Well the LSM mailing list seems to be dead, even the archives stop at >>Jan 15 2005.

LSM hooks

2005-03-30 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well the LSM mailing list seems to be dead, even the archives stop at Jan 15 2005. My own mails don't come back to me (I'm subscribed). So, Which version of Linux will first implement stacking in LSM as per Serge Hallyn's patches? Where is the new

LSM hooks

2005-03-30 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well the LSM mailing list seems to be dead, even the archives stop at Jan 15 2005. My own mails don't come back to me (I'm subscribed). So, Which version of Linux will first implement stacking in LSM as per Serge Hallyn's patches? Where is the new

Re: LSM hooks

2005-03-30 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Wright wrote: * John Richard Moser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well the LSM mailing list seems to be dead, even the archives stop at Jan 15 2005. My own mails don't come back to me (I'm

Re: Aligning file system data

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
, shrink) while running. I don't see how to grow left; shrinking from the left is easy enough. Wait, suddenly I see how to grow left: Superblock at the end, and a bit of magic. . . . Robert Hancock wrote: > John Richard Moser wrote: > >> How likely is it that I can actually

Aligning file system data

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How likely is it that I can actually align stuff to 31.5KiB on the physical disk, i.e. have each block be a track? Rather than leveraging the track cache, would it be less expensive for me to simply read in blocks totaling about 16 or 32KiB all at

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 14:07 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [...] >>/me shrugs. It's a security blanket for him mostly; he fears automagic >>security m

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Richard Moser wrote: > > > Arjan van de Ven wrote: > [...] Three more notes, then I'll sleep. These notes won't include the two paragraph long explaination of falling back to PT_GNU_STACK if PT_PAX_FLAGS isn't there; compatibil

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: >>You need to consider that in the end I'd need PT_GNU_STACK to do >>everything PaX wants > > > why? > Why not have independent flags for independent things? > That way you have both cleanness of design and you don't break

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: >>You need to consider that in the end I'd need PT_GNU_STACK to do >>everything PaX wants > > > why? > Why not have independent flags for independent things? > That way you have both cleanness of design and you don't break

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: You need to consider that in the end I'd need PT_GNU_STACK to do everything PaX wants why? Why not have independent flags for independent things? That way you have both cleanness of design and you don't break anything.

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: You need to consider that in the end I'd need PT_GNU_STACK to do everything PaX wants why? Why not have independent flags for independent things? That way you have both cleanness of design and you don't break anything.

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Richard Moser wrote: Arjan van de Ven wrote: [...] Three more notes, then I'll sleep. These notes won't include the two paragraph long explaination of falling back to PT_GNU_STACK if PT_PAX_FLAGS isn't there; compatibility has been

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 14:07 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [...] /me shrugs. It's a security blanket for him mostly; he fears automagic security maintainence. who is him ? me

Aligning file system data

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How likely is it that I can actually align stuff to 31.5KiB on the physical disk, i.e. have each block be a track? Rather than leveraging the track cache, would it be less expensive for me to simply read in blocks totaling about 16 or 32KiB all at

Re: Aligning file system data

2005-03-29 Thread John Richard Moser
, shrink) while running. I don't see how to grow left; shrinking from the left is easy enough. Wait, suddenly I see how to grow left: Superblock at the end, and a bit of magic. . . . Robert Hancock wrote: John Richard Moser wrote: How likely is it that I can actually align stuff to 31.5KiB

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-28 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brandon Hale wrote: >>>actually Linus was really against adding non-related things to this >>>flag. And I think he is right... >>> > > > Makes sense to me. > > [...] > > IMO you have this backwards, John. Rather than having the majority (ES,

Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-28 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 13:50 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >>Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> >>>>As

Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-28 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: >>As I understand, PT_GNU_STACK uses a single marking to control whether a >>task gets an executable stack and whether ASLR is applied to the >>executable. > > > you understand wrongly. > > PT_GNU_STACK just sets the exec

Collecting NX information

2005-03-28 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings. Currently I'm in need of some information about both vanilla and Exec Shield kernels in regards to markings emitted by the toolchain, specifically PT_GNU_STACK. I'd like to check my assumptions, in preparation for possibly making a

Collecting NX information

2005-03-28 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings. Currently I'm in need of some information about both vanilla and Exec Shield kernels in regards to markings emitted by the toolchain, specifically PT_GNU_STACK. I'd like to check my assumptions, in preparation for possibly making a

Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-28 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: As I understand, PT_GNU_STACK uses a single marking to control whether a task gets an executable stack and whether ASLR is applied to the executable. you understand wrongly. PT_GNU_STACK just sets the exec permission

Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-28 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 13:50 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: As I understand, PT_GNU_STACK uses a single marking to control whether a task gets

Re: [ubuntu-hardened] Re: Collecting NX information

2005-03-28 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brandon Hale wrote: actually Linus was really against adding non-related things to this flag. And I think he is right... Makes sense to me. [...] IMO you have this backwards, John. Rather than having the majority (ES, mainline NX

Re: vfat broken in 2.6.10?

2005-03-24 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OGAWA Hirofumi wrote: > John Richard Moser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>It appears dosfsck may not be working quite right. I've taken this into >>account, hence the second pass after each fsck. This is eith

Re: vfat broken in 2.6.10?

2005-03-24 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OGAWA Hirofumi wrote: John Richard Moser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears dosfsck may not be working quite right. I've taken this into account, hence the second pass after each fsck. This is either a dosfsck issue, a usb-storage issue

Re: vfat broken in 2.6.10?

2005-03-23 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Triffid Hunter wrote: > i've seen the same problems with a fat32 partition image after an > unclean shutdown. reading certain files would cause the filesystem to > spontaneously become read-only with error messages similar to the ones > you list

vfat broken in 2.6.10?

2005-03-23 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm using Ubuntu Linux Hoary [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a Linux icebox 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Tue Mar 15 15:16:01 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fsck.vfat -r /dev/sda1 dosfsck 2.10, 22 Sep 2003, FAT32, LFN /\uSCK.REN Duplicate

vfat broken in 2.6.10?

2005-03-23 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm using Ubuntu Linux Hoary [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a Linux icebox 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Tue Mar 15 15:16:01 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fsck.vfat -r /dev/sda1 dosfsck 2.10, 22 Sep 2003, FAT32, LFN /\uSCK.REN Duplicate

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-12 Thread John Richard Moser
like to understand everything, it makes things easier. Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:32:39 -0500, John Richard Moser > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>CPL=3 scares me; context switches are expensive. can they have direct >>hardware access?

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-12 Thread John Richard Moser
like to understand everything, it makes things easier. Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:32:39 -0500, John Richard Moser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CPL=3 scares me; context switches are expensive. can they have direct hardware access? I'm sure a security model to isolate user

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Chubb wrote: >>>>>>"John" == John Richard Moser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > John> I've done more thought, here's a small list of advantages on > John> using binary drivers,

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 People are still e-mailing me about this? Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 12:24:15PM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >>I've done more thought, here's a small list of advantages on using >>binary drivers, specif

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stop mailing me, I lost interest when I figured out nobody else cared. Diego Calleja wrote: > El Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:24:15 -0500, > John Richard Moser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > [...] > >> - Smaller kernel tre

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ralf Baechle wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:28:39AM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > > >>I've been looking at the UDI project[1] and thinking about binary >>drivers and the like, and wondering what most peoples' take on

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've done more thought, here's a small list of advantages on using binary drivers, specifically considering UDI. You can consider a different implementation for binary drivers as well, with most of the same advantages. - Smaller kernel tree The

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg KH wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:28:39AM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >>I've been looking at the UDI project[1] and thinking about binary >>drivers and the like, and wondering what most peoples' take on these are

binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been looking at the UDI project[1] and thinking about binary drivers and the like, and wondering what most peoples' take on these are and what impact that UDI support would have on the kernel's development. I know the immediate first reactions

binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been looking at the UDI project[1] and thinking about binary drivers and the like, and wondering what most peoples' take on these are and what impact that UDI support would have on the kernel's development. I know the immediate first reactions

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg KH wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:28:39AM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: I've been looking at the UDI project[1] and thinking about binary drivers and the like, and wondering what most peoples' take on these are and what impact that UDI

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've done more thought, here's a small list of advantages on using binary drivers, specifically considering UDI. You can consider a different implementation for binary drivers as well, with most of the same advantages. - Smaller kernel tree The

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ralf Baechle wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:28:39AM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: I've been looking at the UDI project[1] and thinking about binary drivers and the like, and wondering what most peoples' take on these are and what impact

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stop mailing me, I lost interest when I figured out nobody else cared. Diego Calleja wrote: El Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:24:15 -0500, John Richard Moser [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: [...] - Smaller kernel tree [...] - Better focused

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 People are still e-mailing me about this? Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 12:24:15PM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: I've done more thought, here's a small list of advantages on using binary drivers, specifically considering UDI

Re: binary drivers and development

2005-03-10 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Chubb wrote: John == John Richard Moser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John I've done more thought, here's a small list of advantages on John using binary drivers, specifically considering UDI. You can John consider a different

Re: [PATCH] Filesystem linking protections

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Wright wrote: > * John Richard Moser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >>Yes, mkdtemp() and mkstemp(). >> >>Of course we can't always rely on programmers to get it right, so the >>idea here is to make sure we as

Re: [PATCH] Filesystem linking protections

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Wright wrote: > * John Richard Moser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >>I've yet to see this break anything on Ubuntu or Gentoo; Brad Spengler >>claims this breaks nothing on Debian. On the other hand, this could >>poten

Re: [PATCH] Filesystem linking protections

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Wright wrote: > * Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >>This patch adds two checks to do_follow_link() and sys_link(), for >>prevent users to follow (untrusted) symlinks owned by other users in >>world-writable +t

Re: Sabotaged PaXtest

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 13:57 +0100, Peter Busser wrote: > >>Hi! [...] > the paxtest 0.9.6 that John Moser mailed to this list had this gem in > it: > @@ -39,8 +42,6 @@ > */ > int paxtest_mode = 1; > > +

Re: Sabotaged PaXtest (was: Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer)

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roman Zippel wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Peter Busser wrote: > > >>- What happens when you run existing commercial applications which have not >>been compiled using GCC. > > >>From http://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/pax.txt: > >The

Re: Sabotaged PaXtest (was: Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer)

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roman Zippel wrote: Hi, On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Peter Busser wrote: - What happens when you run existing commercial applications which have not been compiled using GCC. From http://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/pax.txt: The goal of the PaX

Re: Sabotaged PaXtest

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 13:57 +0100, Peter Busser wrote: Hi! [...] the paxtest 0.9.6 that John Moser mailed to this list had this gem in it: @@ -39,8 +42,6 @@ */ int paxtest_mode = 1; + /*

Re: [PATCH] Filesystem linking protections

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Wright wrote: * Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This patch adds two checks to do_follow_link() and sys_link(), for prevent users to follow (untrusted) symlinks owned by other users in world-writable +t directories

Re: [PATCH] Filesystem linking protections

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Wright wrote: * John Richard Moser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've yet to see this break anything on Ubuntu or Gentoo; Brad Spengler claims this breaks nothing on Debian. On the other hand, this could potentially squash the second most

Re: [PATCH] Filesystem linking protections

2005-02-07 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Wright wrote: * John Richard Moser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Yes, mkdtemp() and mkstemp(). Of course we can't always rely on programmers to get it right, so the idea here is to make sure we ask broken code to behave nicely, and stab

Re: msdos/vfat defaults are annoying

2005-02-06 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:33:43AM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >>I dunno. I can never understand the innards of the kernel devs' minds. > > > filesystem detection isn't handled at the

Re: msdos/vfat defaults are annoying

2005-02-06 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:33:43AM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: I dunno. I can never understand the innards of the kernel devs' minds. filesystem detection isn't handled at the kerne level. o_o . . . then I

msdos/vfat defaults are annoying

2005-02-05 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So I've noticed, again, much annoyed, that if I rely on -t auto, horrible horrible things happen. I have had floppies and compact flash cards that I've done mkfs.vfat to make fat32 filesystems on (not fat16), and mounting them brings the thing on as

msdos/vfat defaults are annoying

2005-02-05 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So I've noticed, again, much annoyed, that if I rely on -t auto, horrible horrible things happen. I have had floppies and compact flash cards that I've done mkfs.vfat to make fat32 filesystems on (not fat16), and mounting them brings the thing on as

Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer

2005-01-31 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>Why not compromise, if possible? 256M of randomization, but move the >>split up to 3.5/0.5 gig, if possible. I seem to recall seeing an option >>(though I think it was UML) to do 3.5/0.5 before; and I'm used to "a

Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer

2005-01-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 12:49:05PM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >>>The ideas in IBM's ProPolice changes are good and worth >>>implementing, but the current implementation is bad. >>>

Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer

2005-01-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 01:31:46AM -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >>Finally, although an NX stack is nice, you should probably take into >>account IBM's stack smash protector, ProPolice. Any attack th

Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer

2005-01-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:21 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >>Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> >>>>I actua

Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer

2005-01-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:21 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > >>These are the only places mprotect() is mentioned; a visual scan >>confirms no t

Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer

2005-01-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:21 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- These are the only places mprotect() is mentioned; a visual scan confirms no trickery: if( fork() == 0

Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer

2005-01-29 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:21 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arjan van de Ven wrote: I actually just tried to paxtest a fresh Fedora Core 3, unadultered, that I installed

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