Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-25 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Sun, 25 February 2007 03:41:40 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: Well, our experimental results say another thing. As I have said, the greatest part of the files are written at once, so their meta-data blocks are together on disk. This allows

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-25 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Sun, 25 February 2007 03:41:40 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: Well, our experimental results say another thing. As I have said, the greatest part of the files are written at once, so their meta-data blocks are together on disk. This allows

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-24 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Thu, 22 February 2007 20:57:12 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: I do not agree with this picture, because it does not show that all the indirect blocks which point to a direct block are along with it in the same segment

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-24 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Thu, 22 February 2007 20:57:12 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: I do not agree with this picture, because it does not show that all the indirect blocks which point to a direct block are along with it in the same segment

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-22 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: A partial segment is a transaction unit, and contains "all" the blocks modified by a file system operation, including indirect blocks and i-nodes (actually, it contains the blocks modified by several file system operations, but let us

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-22 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: A partial segment is a transaction unit, and contains all the blocks modified by a file system operation, including indirect blocks and i-nodes (actually, it contains the blocks modified by several file system operations, but let us

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-21 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
for the meta-data device, which is different to the design that you propose. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Wed, 21 February 2007 19:31:40 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: I do not understand. Do you mean that if I have 10 segments, 5 busy and 5 free, after cleaning I could need

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-21 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Wed, 21 February 2007 05:36:22 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: I don't see how you can guarantee 50% free segments. Can you explain that bit? It is quite simple. If 50% of your segments are busy, and the other 50% are free

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-21 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Wed, 21 February 2007 05:36:22 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: I don't see how you can guarantee 50% free segments. Can you explain that bit? It is quite simple. If 50% of your segments are busy, and the other 50% are free

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-21 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
for the meta-data device, which is different to the design that you propose. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Wed, 21 February 2007 19:31:40 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: I do not understand. Do you mean that if I have 10 segments, 5 busy and 5 free, after cleaning I could need

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-20 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Tue, 20 February 2007 00:57:50 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: Actually, the GC may become a problem when the number of free segments is 50% or less. If your LFS always guarantees, at least, 50% of free "segments" (note

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-20 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Tue, 20 February 2007 00:57:50 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: Actually, the GC may become a problem when the number of free segments is 50% or less. If your LFS always guarantees, at least, 50% of free segments (note that I am

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-19 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, I understand the problem that you describe with respect to the GC, but let me explain why I think that it has a small impact on DualFS. Actually, the GC may become a problem when the number of free segments is 50% or less. If your LFS always guarantees, at least, 50% of free

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-19 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, I understand the problem that you describe with respect to the GC, but let me explain why I think that it has a small impact on DualFS. Actually, the GC may become a problem when the number of free segments is 50% or less. If your LFS always guarantees, at least, 50% of free

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-15 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi, On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Andi Kleen wrote: If you stripe two disks with a standard fs versus use one of them as metadata volume and the other as data volume with dualfs i would expect the striped variant usually be faster because it will give parallelism not only to data versus metadata, but

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-15 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Thu, 15 February 2007 19:38:14 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: The patch for 2.6.11 is not still stable enough to be released. Be patient ;-) While I don't want to discourage you, this is about the point in development where

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-15 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Andi, On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Andi Kleen wrote: Juan Piernas Canovas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [playing devil's advocate here] If the data and meta-data devices of DualFS can be on different disks, DualFS is able to READ and WRITE data and meta-data blocks in PARALLEL. XFS

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-15 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi all, On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Feb 14 2007 16:10, sfaibish wrote: 1. DualFS has only one copy of every meta-data block. This copy is in the meta-data device, Where does this differ from typical filesystems like xfs? At least ext3 and xfs have an option to store the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-15 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi all, On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Feb 14 2007 16:10, sfaibish wrote: 1. DualFS has only one copy of every meta-data block. This copy is in the meta-data device, Where does this differ from typical filesystems like xfs? At least ext3 and xfs have an option to store the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-15 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Andi, On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Andi Kleen wrote: Juan Piernas Canovas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [playing devil's advocate here] If the data and meta-data devices of DualFS can be on different disks, DualFS is able to READ and WRITE data and meta-data blocks in PARALLEL. XFS can do this too

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-15 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi Jörn, On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, [utf-8] Jörn Engel wrote: On Thu, 15 February 2007 19:38:14 +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: The patch for 2.6.11 is not still stable enough to be released. Be patient ;-) While I don't want to discourage you, this is about the point in development where

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-15 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi, On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Andi Kleen wrote: If you stripe two disks with a standard fs versus use one of them as metadata volume and the other as data volume with dualfs i would expect the striped variant usually be faster because it will give parallelism not only to data versus metadata, but

[SOLVED]Re: 2.2.19 && ppa: total lockup. No problem with 2.2.17

2001-03-30 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 03:55:01PM +0200, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: > > > The kernel configuration is the same in both 2.2.17 and 2.2.19. > > Perhaps, the problem is not in the ppa module, but in the parport, > > parport_pc

2.2.19 && ppa: total lockup. No problem with 2.2.17

2001-03-30 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: Hi!. When I execute "modprobe ppa" while running a kernel 2.2.19, my computer hangs completely. No messages. System request key does not work. The kernel configuration is the same in both 2.2.17 and 2.2.19. Perhaps, t

2.2.19 ppa: total lockup. No problem with 2.2.17

2001-03-30 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: Hi!. When I execute "modprobe ppa" while running a kernel 2.2.19, my computer hangs completely. No messages. System request key does not work. The kernel configuration is the same in both 2.2.17 and 2.2.19. Perhaps, t

[SOLVED]Re: 2.2.19 ppa: total lockup. No problem with 2.2.17

2001-03-30 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Tim Waugh wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 03:55:01PM +0200, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: The kernel configuration is the same in both 2.2.17 and 2.2.19. Perhaps, the problem is not in the ppa module, but in the parport, parport_pc or parport_probe modules

Information about kernel threads

2001-02-23 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi all! I need some information about kernel threads, specifically about signal handling. Where can I get any documents about that? Thanks in advance. Juan. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More

Information about kernel threads

2001-02-23 Thread Juan Piernas Canovas
Hi all! I need some information about kernel threads, specifically about signal handling. Where can I get any documents about that? Thanks in advance. Juan. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More