Re: [shorty: Re: 2.6.12 debian powerpc kernels and ppc64 ...]

2005-07-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 10:39:05PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > The first try to send the message below didn't work. Hoping it does > now ... :) > > Regards > Wolfgang > > - Forwarded message from Wolfgang Pfeiifer - > > To: Sven Luther <[EMAIL PR

Re: [shorty: Re: 2.6.12 debian powerpc kernels and ppc64 ...]

2005-07-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 10:39:05PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: The first try to send the message below didn't work. Hoping it does now ... :) Regards Wolfgang - Forwarded message from Wolfgang Pfeiifer - To: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-13 Thread Sven Luther
ize that any author can publish his work in the form he > likes. He's not bound to "everyone's expectation". I see no danger in > that. I think there may be some limitation of using the GPL as licence in this case though, as such behavior may limit its value, and the GPL itself is by n

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-13 Thread Sven Luther
expectation. I see no danger in that. I think there may be some limitation of using the GPL as licence in this case though, as such behavior may limit its value, and the GPL itself is by no means free software. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-12 Thread Sven Luther
it doesn't do so ? > >> > >>Sorry, this is nonsense. D is well willing to distribute the source. > >>In this case, he _is_ distributing what A publicly stated to be the > >>source. > > > >Yep, apart from the fact that A never did publicly state such issue, but

Re: [PATCH] ppc32: MV643XX ethernet is an option for Pegasos

2005-04-12 Thread Sven Luther
nd add SA_SHIRQ in > there as the interrupt is shared if I understand things correctly. > > Signed-off-by: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Signed-off-by: Fabio Massimo Di Nitto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, it originated by me/you/dale, but i think it is trivia

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-12 Thread Sven Luther
say that once he released it > under GPL, he can't take it back. But the GPL states that we must be able to distribute the sources, clearly defines what said sources are, and states what happens if you can't fullfill a clause of the GPL -> no right to distribute at all. > > > >I am not sure. If i where to get a copy of windows, and manage to install > >it > >without clicking on the "i agree" button, does that make it a legal copy of > >windows to use ? > > Come on, please, do not mix things up. I've said GPL'ed software. Last time > I checked, Windows was not GPL'ed (yet). :-) What has the GPL to do with it ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-12 Thread Sven Luther
GPL'ed software. Last time I checked, Windows was not GPL'ed (yet). :-) What has the GPL to do with it ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org

Re: [PATCH] ppc32: MV643XX ethernet is an option for Pegasos

2005-04-12 Thread Sven Luther
in there as the interrupt is shared if I understand things correctly. Signed-off-by: Benjamin Herrenschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signed-off-by: Fabio Massimo Di Nitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it originated by me/you/dale, but i think it is trivial stuff anyway. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-12 Thread Sven Luther
to the kernel binary. If you distribute the result, you have to distribute the source _as you received it_. That's all. If you do, you're fine. And where did those hexstrings come from ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-11 Thread Sven Luther
icense will > not have their licenses terminated so long as such parties remain in > full compliance. Yeah, but who know what mad laws will be passed to repress piracy which will make this void. > Note also that GPL says nothing about how you get your copy. You can > get it while hanging

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 06:12:22PM +0200, Marco Colombo wrote: > [I'm not subscribed, so this in not a real reply - sorry if it breaks > threading somehow.] > > Sven Luther wrote: > > The ftp-master are the ones reviewing the licencing problems, and they > are

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 06:12:22PM +0200, Marco Colombo wrote: [I'm not subscribed, so this in not a real reply - sorry if it breaks threading somehow.] Sven Luther wrote: The ftp-master are the ones reviewing the licencing problems, and they are the ones handling the infrastructure

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-11 Thread Sven Luther
clicking on the i agree button, does that make it a legal copy of windows to use ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
ance is that the kernel proper > and the binary firmware are "merely aggregated" in a volume of storage ( > ie. system memory). The problem is that you can only argue it is mere agregation, if the copyright notice doesn't de-facto put said firmware blobs under the GPL,

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
sing executable, or the firmware from the firmware flasher in a all-in-one firmware upgrade binary. > At least that's my opinion; AIUI, Sven Luther believes it is possible if > the firmware has a decent (but not necessarily free) license. Indeed, the sole problem is that the current copyrig

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
n of the firmware and hence the > source code under the GPL." I strongly disagree. This could be an open door to to anyone claiming that whatever binary is the prefered form of modification. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ke

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
t apply. > > In particular, the end of GPL #2 does not provide a blanket exception > for all forms of aggregation; it specifically speaks about aggregation > "on a volume of a storage or distribution medium". Read my argumentation, comment on it, and be prepared to consider the same co

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
is completely wrong to say that the object file is merely an > aggregation. The two components are being coupled much more tightly > than in the situation that the GPL discribes as "mere aggregation". So read the analysis and comment on it if you disagree, but let's take

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
indows installation CD, or for that matter to duplicate music CDs ? I would be rather interested in knowing how you came to that conclusion :) Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
mware as being a derivative work, you should consider it a derivative work also when it is flashed on the prom of a pci card or what not, is decisive enough to make those firmware blobs not derivative works of the kernel they are under. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: s

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 02:31:36AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 11:05:05PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 10:56:47PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >... > > > If your statement was true that Debian must take more care regarding

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 09:06:58PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > It sounds like you are now looking at the question of are the > > > huge string of hex characters the preferred form for making > > > modific

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 09:06:58PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It sounds like you are now looking at the question of are the huge string of hex characters the preferred form for making modifications to firmware. Personally I would be surprised

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 02:31:36AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 11:05:05PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 10:56:47PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: ... If your statement was true that Debian must take more care regarding legal risks than commercial

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
firmware blobs not derivative works of the kernel they are under. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
in the situation that the GPL discribes as mere aggregation. So read the analysis and comment on it if you disagree, but let's take it to debian-legal alone, ok ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
and hence the source code under the GPL. I strongly disagree. This could be an open door to to anyone claiming that whatever binary is the prefered form of modification. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
on a volume of a storage or distribution medium. Read my argumentation, comment on it, and be prepared to consider the same copy of the firmware as a derived work if shipped on a prom on the device itself. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
came to that conclusion :) Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
firmware upgrade binary. At least that's my opinion; AIUI, Sven Luther believes it is possible if the firmware has a decent (but not necessarily free) license. Indeed, the sole problem is that the current copyright and licencing attributions de-facto sets those firmware blobs under the GPL, which

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-08 Thread Sven Luther
( ie. system memory). The problem is that you can only argue it is mere agregation, if the copyright notice doesn't de-facto put said firmware blobs under the GPL, thus making them undistributable by the selfsame definition of the GPL. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 10:56:47PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 03:57:01PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > >... > > The other point is that other entities, like redhat, or suse (which is now > > novel and thus ibm) and so have stronger backbones, and can mo

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 05:46:27AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 01:22:36PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > > > For tg3 a transition period shouldn't be needed as firmware loading > &

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-07 Thread Sven Luther
else, we are also doing the work needed to solve the issue with upstream, see : http://wiki.debian.net/?KernelFirmwareLicensing Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More ma

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-07 Thread Sven Luther
e needed as firmware loading > is only needed on old/buggy hardware which is not the common case. > Or to support advanced features which can be disabled. > > I am fairly certain in that case the firmware came from the bcm5701 > broadcom driver for the tg3 which I think is gpl'd. So

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-07 Thread Sven Luther
the issue with upstream, see : http://wiki.debian.net/?KernelFirmwareLicensing Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-07 Thread Sven Luther
the firmware came from the bcm5701 broadcom driver for the tg3 which I think is gpl'd. So the firmware may legitimately be under the GPL. So, where is the source for it ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 05:46:27AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 01:22:36PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote: For tg3 a transition period shouldn't be needed as firmware loading is only needed on old/buggy hardware which

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 10:56:47PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 03:57:01PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: ... The other point is that other entities, like redhat, or suse (which is now novel and thus ibm) and so have stronger backbones, and can more easily muster

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:34:44AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 06 avril 2005 à 02:10 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : > > > It merely depends on the definition of "aggregation". I'd say that two > > > works that are only aggregated can be easily di

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:34:44AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 06 avril 2005 à 02:10 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : It merely depends on the definition of aggregation. I'd say that two works that are only aggregated can be easily distinguished and separated

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
parts. Josselin, please read the thread i linked to in debian-legal, and as nobody really gave reason to oppose it, i believe we have consensus that those firmware blobs constitute mere agregation, provided they are clearly identified and properly licenced, which they are not always. L

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
und are totally irelevant, since we reached consensus on debian-legal in marsh that they constitute mere agregation, where either the file or the elf binary are just the distribution media. And those binary blobs currently come under the GPL or are not licenced at all, so taking them out

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:19:24AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 23:19 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > I am only saying that the tg3.c and other file are under the GPL, and > > that the firmware included in it is *NOT* intented to be under the >

Re: PATCH: separate non-GPL tg3 firmware from GPL driver file

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
d, 0xd, 0x3c1d0001, 0x37bde000, 0x3a0f021, 0x3c11, 0x2610, 0xc004010, 0x0, ... It is specially ironic to see the GPL advertizement and the firmware binary words together :) Will contact their driver support team, and see what it gives. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
be enough. Or even adding some comment in the toplevel COPYING file saying that firmware blobs come under their own licence or something such, and then listing all the firmware blobs and their licencing condition in a separate toplevel file would be enough. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsu

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
rms of a legally predative company and pulling another SCO at us. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
I don't believe there is already support for a second ramdisk in todays kernel. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
it should not matter, and only the original checkin you did is the one we need to account for. I understand this is bothersome to everyone, but the code base will be a cleaner one once we solve this issue, don't you think ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line &q

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
statements/exemptions/something to the binary blobs where they are now. Yes, indeed, i am searching for a short-time clarification, but in the long term the separate firmware solution is indeed better, altough more work and more involved. That said, the work to identify the firmware blobs and clarify th

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:19:24AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 23:19 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > I am only saying that the tg3.c and other file are under the GPL, and > > that the firmware included in it is *NOT* intented to be under the >

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
and properly licenced, which they are not always. Let's take this to debian-legal only if you want to further discuss it. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:19:24AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 23:19 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: I am only saying that the tg3.c and other file are under the GPL, and that the firmware included in it is *NOT* intented to be under the GPL, so why not say it explicitly

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
not matter, and only the original checkin you did is the one we need to account for. I understand this is bothersome to everyone, but the code base will be a cleaner one once we solve this issue, don't you think ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
clarification, but in the long term the separate firmware solution is indeed better, altough more work and more involved. That said, the work to identify the firmware blobs and clarify their copyright/licencing situation is common for both alternatives. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
yourself what the above mentioned companies where to do if they where to be made aware of the issue, and ask their lawyers to attend this. Also you have to consider the case of some of those companies ending in the arms of a legally predative company and pulling another SCO at us. Friendly, Sven

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
licence or something such, and then listing all the firmware blobs and their licencing condition in a separate toplevel file would be enough. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo

Re: PATCH: separate non-GPL tg3 firmware from GPL driver file

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
, 0x37bde000, 0x3a0f021, 0x3c11, 0x2610, 0xc004010, 0x0, ... It is specially ironic to see the GPL advertizement and the firmware binary words together :) Will contact their driver support team, and see what it gives. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:19:24AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 23:19 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: I am only saying that the tg3.c and other file are under the GPL, and that the firmware included in it is *NOT* intented to be under the GPL, so why not say it explicitly

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-05 Thread Sven Luther
the distribution media. And those binary blobs currently come under the GPL or are not licenced at all, so taking them out of the kernel doesn't make them distributable in any way. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message

Re: [PATCH 00/04] Load keyspan firmware with hotplug

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 12:23:29AM -0400, Jan Harkes wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:17:46PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:27:53PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Mmm, probably that 2001 discussion about the keyspan firmware, right ? &

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:24:05PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > It assuredly can't hurt to add a few lines of comments to tg3.c, and since it > is probably (well, 1/3 chance here) you who added said firmware to the tg3.c > file, i guess you are even well placed to at least exclude it f

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 04:47:36PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > >Yep, but in the meantime, let's clearly mark said firmware as > >not-covered-by-the-GPL. In the acenic case it seems to be even easier, as > >the > >firmware is in a separate acenic_f

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:05:03PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:23:08PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:29:45PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > On M

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 04:55:27PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:29:45PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Nope, i am aiming to clarify this issue with regard to the debian kernel, so > > that we may be clear with ourselves, and actually

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
as found in the tg3.c case, and you seem to care about this too, what is your take on this proposal ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:29:45PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:17:46PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:27:53PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Mmm,

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
e messed beyond recognition in this anyway, but they are freezed so ... Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:17:46PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:27:53PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Mmm, probably that 2001 discussion about the keyspan firmware, right ? > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/04/msg00145.html >

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:12:48PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 20:21 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:51:30AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > > Then let's see some acts. We (lkml) are not the ones with the percieved > > > prob

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:51:30AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 04:16:47PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > This is just the followup on said discussion, involving the larger LKML > > audience, in order to get this fixed for good. As said, it is just a mere > >

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:51:30AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 04:16:47PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > This is just the followup on said discussion, involving the larger LKML > > audience, in order to get this fixed for good. As said, it is just a mere > >

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:26:58AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > Sven Luther writes: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Current linux kernel source hold undistributable non-free firmware blobs, > > and > > to consider them as mere agregation, a clear licenc

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:21:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 12:09 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > please take this discussion elsewhere. Also please never cc three such Ok, can you please point to me where is the place it should be taken off ? I suppose you

non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
legalese issues nobody is really fond of, Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:21:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 12:09 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: please take this discussion elsewhere. Also please never cc three such Ok, can you please point to me where is the place it should be taken off ? I suppose you mean LKML

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:26:58AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: Sven Luther writes: Hello, quick sumary Current linux kernel source hold undistributable non-free firmware blobs, and to consider them as mere agregation, a clear licence statement from the copyright holders of said

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:51:30AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 04:16:47PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: This is just the followup on said discussion, involving the larger LKML audience, in order to get this fixed for good. As said, it is just a mere technicality to get out

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:51:30AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 04:16:47PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: This is just the followup on said discussion, involving the larger LKML audience, in order to get this fixed for good. As said, it is just a mere technicality to get out

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:12:48PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 20:21 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:51:30AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: Then let's see some acts. We (lkml) are not the ones with the percieved problem, or the ones discussing

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:17:46PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:27:53PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Mmm, probably that 2001 discussion about the keyspan firmware, right ? http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/04/msg00145.html Can you summarize the conclusion

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
, but they are freezed so ... Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:29:45PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:17:46PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:27:53PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Mmm, probably that 2001 discussion about

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
statement added, saying that it is not covered by the GPL, and then giving the information under what licence it is being distributed. Jeff, since your name was found in the tg3.c case, and you seem to care about this too, what is your take on this proposal ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:05:03PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:23:08PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:29:45PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:17:46PM -0700

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 04:55:27PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:29:45PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Nope, i am aiming to clarify this issue with regard to the debian kernel, so that we may be clear with ourselves, and actually ship something which

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 04:47:36PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Sven Luther wrote: Yep, but in the meantime, let's clearly mark said firmware as not-covered-by-the-GPL. In the acenic case it seems to be even easier, as the firmware is in a separate acenic_firmware.h file, and it just needs

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:24:05PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: It assuredly can't hurt to add a few lines of comments to tg3.c, and since it is probably (well, 1/3 chance here) you who added said firmware to the tg3.c file, i guess you are even well placed to at least exclude it from being GPLed

Re: [PATCH 00/04] Load keyspan firmware with hotplug

2005-04-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 12:23:29AM -0400, Jan Harkes wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:17:46PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:27:53PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Mmm, probably that 2001 discussion about the keyspan firmware, right ? http://lists.debian.org/debian

Re: [PATCH 2.6.10-rc3][PPC32] Fix Motorola PReP (PowerstackII Utah) PCI IRQ map

2005-02-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 04:39:45AM +0100, Christian wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > >Some backports that i got from the list. The complete list of patches is > >at : > > > > > > http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/trunk/kernel/source/kernel-source-2.6.8-2.6.8/

Re: [PATCH 2.6.10-rc3][PPC32] Fix Motorola PReP (PowerstackII Utah) PCI IRQ map

2005-02-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 12:59:04PM +0100, Christian wrote: > On Fri, February 25, 2005 7:36, Sven Luther said: > > So, now, we need to find out what the problems where, i think it is > > something that went in between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10, and leigh said he had > > some ideas

Re: [PATCH 2.6.10-rc3][PPC32] Fix Motorola PReP (PowerstackII Utah) PCI IRQ map

2005-02-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 12:59:04PM +0100, Christian wrote: On Fri, February 25, 2005 7:36, Sven Luther said: So, now, we need to find out what the problems where, i think it is something that went in between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10, and leigh said he had some ideas. may i ask what patches were

Re: [PATCH 2.6.10-rc3][PPC32] Fix Motorola PReP (PowerstackII Utah) PCI IRQ map

2005-02-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 04:39:45AM +0100, Christian wrote: Sven Luther wrote: Some backports that i got from the list. The complete list of patches is at : http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/trunk/kernel/source/kernel-source-2.6.8-2.6.8/debian/patches/?rev=0sc=0 dooh, these websvn

Re: [PATCH 2.6.10-rc3][PPC32] Fix Motorola PReP (PowerstackII Utah) PCI IRQ map

2005-02-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 01:24:19AM +0100, Christian Kujau wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Oh, damn, need to fix my daily builder, should be ok for tomorrow. IN the > > meanwhile, you can try : > >

Re: [PATCH 2.6.10-rc3][PPC32] Fix Motorola PReP (PowerstackII Utah) PCI IRQ map

2005-02-24 Thread Sven Luther
linuz-2.6.10-powerpc to your prep partition, or better yet to a tftp server, and try it out. If the scsi problems are there, can you fill a bug report against kernel-source-2.6.10 ? Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the

Re: [PATCH 2.6.10-rc3][PPC32] Fix Motorola PReP (PowerstackII Utah) PCI IRQ map

2005-02-24 Thread Sven Luther
my daily builder, should be ok for tomorrow. IN the meanwhile, you can try : http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/2005-02-23/powerpc/netboot/vmlinuz-prep.initrd This is a zImage.prep kernel with builtin initrd, you just put it somewhere where you can boot it from, usually a tftp server.

Re: [PATCH 2.6.10-rc3][PPC32] Fix Motorola PReP (PowerstackII Utah) PCI IRQ map

2005-02-24 Thread Sven Luther
work for anyone else on Powerstack II Pro4000 (Utah)? Can you try : http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/netboot/vmlinuz-prep.initrd It works for me, and the kernel (2.6.8) has the irqs patched, but not the scsi stuff touched, i think. Friendly, Sven Luther - To u

Re: [PATCH 2.6.10-rc3][PPC32] Fix Motorola PReP (PowerstackII Utah) PCI IRQ map

2005-02-24 Thread Sven Luther
://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/netboot/vmlinuz-prep.initrd It works for me, and the kernel (2.6.8) has the irqs patched, but not the scsi stuff touched, i think. Friendly, Sven Luther - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL

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