Re: [PATCH v2 03/10] kexec: separate PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() use case
On Mon, May 04, 2020 at 09:03:56AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > > I have added in the kexec mailling list. > > Looking at the patch we are discussing it appears that the kexec code > could be doing much better in highmem situations today but is not. Sound great! > > > Joonsoo Kim writes: > > > 2020년 5월 1일 (금) 오후 11:06, Eric W. Biederman 님이 작성: > >> > >> js1...@gmail.com writes: > >> > >> > From: Joonsoo Kim > >> > > >> > Until now, PageHighMem() is used for two different cases. One is to check > >> > if there is a direct mapping for this page or not. The other is to check > >> > the zone of this page, that is, weather it is the highmem type zone or > >> > not. > >> > > >> > Now, we have separate functions, PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() for > >> > each cases. Use appropriate one. > >> > > >> > Note that there are some rules to determine the proper macro. > >> > > >> > 1. If PageHighMem() is called for checking if the direct mapping exists > >> > or not, use PageHighMem(). > >> > 2. If PageHighMem() is used to predict the previous gfp_flags for > >> > this page, use PageHighMemZone(). The zone of the page is related to > >> > the gfp_flags. > >> > 3. If purpose of calling PageHighMem() is to count highmem page and > >> > to interact with the system by using this count, use PageHighMemZone(). > >> > This counter is usually used to calculate the available memory for an > >> > kernel allocation and pages on the highmem zone cannot be available > >> > for an kernel allocation. > >> > 4. Otherwise, use PageHighMemZone(). It's safe since it's implementation > >> > is just copy of the previous PageHighMem() implementation and won't > >> > be changed. > >> > > >> > I apply the rule #2 for this patch. > >> > >> Hmm. > >> > >> What happened to the notion of deprecating and reducing the usage of > >> highmem? I know that we have some embedded architectures where it is > >> still important but this feels like it flies in the face of that. > > > > AFAIK, deprecating highmem requires some more time and, before then, > > we need to support it. > > But it at least makes sense to look at what we are doing with highmem > and ask if it makes sense. > > >> This part of kexec would be much more maintainable if it had a proper > >> mm layer helper that tested to see if the page matched the passed in > >> gfp flags. That way the mm layer could keep changing and doing weird > >> gyrations and this code would not care. > > > > Good idea! I will do it. > > > >> > >> What would be really helpful is if there was a straight forward way to > >> allocate memory whose physical address fits in the native word size. > >> > >> > >> All I know for certain about this patch is that it takes a piece of code > >> that looked like it made sense, and transfroms it into something I can > >> not easily verify, and can not maintain. > > > > Although I decide to make a helper as you described above, I don't > > understand why you think that a new code isn't maintainable. It is just > > the same thing with different name. Could you elaborate more why do > > you think so? > > Because the current code is already wrong. It does not handle > the general case of what it claims to handle. When the only distinction > that needs to be drawn is highmem or not highmem that is likely fine. > But now you are making it possible to draw more distinctions. At which > point I have no idea which distinction needs to be drawn. > > > The code and the logic is about 20 years old. When it was written I > don't recally taking numa seriously and the kernel only had 3 zones > as I recall (DMA aka the now deprecated GFP_DMA, NORMAL, and HIGH). > > The code attempts to work around limitations of those old zones amd play > nice in a highmem world by allocating memory HIGH memory and not using > it if the memory was above 4G ( on 32bit ). > > Looking the kernel now has GFP_DMA32 so on 32bit with highmem we should > probably be using that, when allocating memory. > >From quick investigation, unfortunately, ZONE_DMA32 isn't available on x86 32bit now so using GFP_DMA32 to allocate memory below 4G would not work. Enabling ZONE_DMA32 on x86 32bit would be not simple, so, IMHO, it would be better to leave the code as it is. > > > Further in dealing with this memory management situation we only > have two situations we call kimage_alloc_page. > > For an indirect page which must have a valid page_address(page). > We could probably relax that if we cared to. > > For a general kexec page to store the next kernel in until we switch. > The general pages can be in high memory. > > In a highmem world all of those pages should be below 32bit. > > > > Given that we fundamentally have two situations my sense is that we > should just refactor the code so that we never have to deal with: > > > /* The old page I have found cannot be a >* destination page, so return it if it's >*
Re: [PATCH v2 03/10] kexec: separate PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() use case
I have added in the kexec mailling list.
Looking at the patch we are discussing it appears that the kexec code
could be doing much better in highmem situations today but is not.
Joonsoo Kim writes:
> 2020년 5월 1일 (금) 오후 11:06, Eric W. Biederman 님이 작성:
>>
>> js1...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> > From: Joonsoo Kim
>> >
>> > Until now, PageHighMem() is used for two different cases. One is to check
>> > if there is a direct mapping for this page or not. The other is to check
>> > the zone of this page, that is, weather it is the highmem type zone or not.
>> >
>> > Now, we have separate functions, PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() for
>> > each cases. Use appropriate one.
>> >
>> > Note that there are some rules to determine the proper macro.
>> >
>> > 1. If PageHighMem() is called for checking if the direct mapping exists
>> > or not, use PageHighMem().
>> > 2. If PageHighMem() is used to predict the previous gfp_flags for
>> > this page, use PageHighMemZone(). The zone of the page is related to
>> > the gfp_flags.
>> > 3. If purpose of calling PageHighMem() is to count highmem page and
>> > to interact with the system by using this count, use PageHighMemZone().
>> > This counter is usually used to calculate the available memory for an
>> > kernel allocation and pages on the highmem zone cannot be available
>> > for an kernel allocation.
>> > 4. Otherwise, use PageHighMemZone(). It's safe since it's implementation
>> > is just copy of the previous PageHighMem() implementation and won't
>> > be changed.
>> >
>> > I apply the rule #2 for this patch.
>>
>> Hmm.
>>
>> What happened to the notion of deprecating and reducing the usage of
>> highmem? I know that we have some embedded architectures where it is
>> still important but this feels like it flies in the face of that.
>
> AFAIK, deprecating highmem requires some more time and, before then,
> we need to support it.
But it at least makes sense to look at what we are doing with highmem
and ask if it makes sense.
>> This part of kexec would be much more maintainable if it had a proper
>> mm layer helper that tested to see if the page matched the passed in
>> gfp flags. That way the mm layer could keep changing and doing weird
>> gyrations and this code would not care.
>
> Good idea! I will do it.
>
>>
>> What would be really helpful is if there was a straight forward way to
>> allocate memory whose physical address fits in the native word size.
>>
>>
>> All I know for certain about this patch is that it takes a piece of code
>> that looked like it made sense, and transfroms it into something I can
>> not easily verify, and can not maintain.
>
> Although I decide to make a helper as you described above, I don't
> understand why you think that a new code isn't maintainable. It is just
> the same thing with different name. Could you elaborate more why do
> you think so?
Because the current code is already wrong. It does not handle
the general case of what it claims to handle. When the only distinction
that needs to be drawn is highmem or not highmem that is likely fine.
But now you are making it possible to draw more distinctions. At which
point I have no idea which distinction needs to be drawn.
The code and the logic is about 20 years old. When it was written I
don't recally taking numa seriously and the kernel only had 3 zones
as I recall (DMA aka the now deprecated GFP_DMA, NORMAL, and HIGH).
The code attempts to work around limitations of those old zones amd play
nice in a highmem world by allocating memory HIGH memory and not using
it if the memory was above 4G ( on 32bit ).
Looking the kernel now has GFP_DMA32 so on 32bit with highmem we should
probably be using that, when allocating memory.
Further in dealing with this memory management situation we only
have two situations we call kimage_alloc_page.
For an indirect page which must have a valid page_address(page).
We could probably relax that if we cared to.
For a general kexec page to store the next kernel in until we switch.
The general pages can be in high memory.
In a highmem world all of those pages should be below 32bit.
Given that we fundamentally have two situations my sense is that we
should just refactor the code so that we never have to deal with:
/* The old page I have found cannot be a
* destination page, so return it if it's
* gfp_flags honor the ones passed in.
*/
if (!(gfp_mask & __GFP_HIGHMEM) &&
PageHighMem(old_page)) {
kimage_free_pages(old_page);
continue;
}
Either we teach kimage_add_entry how to work with high memory pages
(still 32bit accessible) or we teach kimage_alloc_page to notice it is
an indirect page allocation and to always skip trying to reuse the page
it found in that case.
That way the code does not need to
Re: [PATCH v2 03/10] kexec: separate PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() use case
2020년 5월 1일 (금) 오후 11:06, Eric W. Biederman 님이 작성: > > js1...@gmail.com writes: > > > From: Joonsoo Kim > > > > Until now, PageHighMem() is used for two different cases. One is to check > > if there is a direct mapping for this page or not. The other is to check > > the zone of this page, that is, weather it is the highmem type zone or not. > > > > Now, we have separate functions, PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() for > > each cases. Use appropriate one. > > > > Note that there are some rules to determine the proper macro. > > > > 1. If PageHighMem() is called for checking if the direct mapping exists > > or not, use PageHighMem(). > > 2. If PageHighMem() is used to predict the previous gfp_flags for > > this page, use PageHighMemZone(). The zone of the page is related to > > the gfp_flags. > > 3. If purpose of calling PageHighMem() is to count highmem page and > > to interact with the system by using this count, use PageHighMemZone(). > > This counter is usually used to calculate the available memory for an > > kernel allocation and pages on the highmem zone cannot be available > > for an kernel allocation. > > 4. Otherwise, use PageHighMemZone(). It's safe since it's implementation > > is just copy of the previous PageHighMem() implementation and won't > > be changed. > > > > I apply the rule #2 for this patch. > > Hmm. > > What happened to the notion of deprecating and reducing the usage of > highmem? I know that we have some embedded architectures where it is > still important but this feels like it flies in the face of that. AFAIK, deprecating highmem requires some more time and, before then, we need to support it. > > This part of kexec would be much more maintainable if it had a proper > mm layer helper that tested to see if the page matched the passed in > gfp flags. That way the mm layer could keep changing and doing weird > gyrations and this code would not care. Good idea! I will do it. > > What would be really helpful is if there was a straight forward way to > allocate memory whose physical address fits in the native word size. > > > All I know for certain about this patch is that it takes a piece of code > that looked like it made sense, and transfroms it into something I can > not easily verify, and can not maintain. Although I decide to make a helper as you described above, I don't understand why you think that a new code isn't maintainable. It is just the same thing with different name. Could you elaborate more why do you think so? Thanks.
Re: [PATCH v2 03/10] kexec: separate PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() use case
js1...@gmail.com writes:
> From: Joonsoo Kim
>
> Until now, PageHighMem() is used for two different cases. One is to check
> if there is a direct mapping for this page or not. The other is to check
> the zone of this page, that is, weather it is the highmem type zone or not.
>
> Now, we have separate functions, PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() for
> each cases. Use appropriate one.
>
> Note that there are some rules to determine the proper macro.
>
> 1. If PageHighMem() is called for checking if the direct mapping exists
> or not, use PageHighMem().
> 2. If PageHighMem() is used to predict the previous gfp_flags for
> this page, use PageHighMemZone(). The zone of the page is related to
> the gfp_flags.
> 3. If purpose of calling PageHighMem() is to count highmem page and
> to interact with the system by using this count, use PageHighMemZone().
> This counter is usually used to calculate the available memory for an
> kernel allocation and pages on the highmem zone cannot be available
> for an kernel allocation.
> 4. Otherwise, use PageHighMemZone(). It's safe since it's implementation
> is just copy of the previous PageHighMem() implementation and won't
> be changed.
>
> I apply the rule #2 for this patch.
Hmm.
What happened to the notion of deprecating and reducing the usage of
highmem? I know that we have some embedded architectures where it is
still important but this feels like it flies in the face of that.
This part of kexec would be much more maintainable if it had a proper
mm layer helper that tested to see if the page matched the passed in
gfp flags. That way the mm layer could keep changing and doing weird
gyrations and this code would not care.
What would be really helpful is if there was a straight forward way to
allocate memory whose physical address fits in the native word size.
All I know for certain about this patch is that it takes a piece of code
that looked like it made sense, and transfroms it into something I can
not easily verify, and can not maintain.
As it makes the code unmaintainable.
Nacked-by: "Eric W. Biederman"
Not to say that the code isn't questionable as it is, but this change just
pushes it over the edge into gobbledy gook.
Eric
> Acked-by: Roman Gushchin
> Signed-off-by: Joonsoo Kim
> ---
> kernel/kexec_core.c | 2 +-
> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/kernel/kexec_core.c b/kernel/kexec_core.c
> index ba1d91e..33097b7 100644
> --- a/kernel/kexec_core.c
> +++ b/kernel/kexec_core.c
> @@ -766,7 +766,7 @@ static struct page *kimage_alloc_page(struct kimage
> *image,
>* gfp_flags honor the ones passed in.
>*/
> if (!(gfp_mask & __GFP_HIGHMEM) &&
> - PageHighMem(old_page)) {
> + PageHighMemZone(old_page)) {
> kimage_free_pages(old_page);
> continue;
> }
[PATCH v2 03/10] kexec: separate PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() use case
From: Joonsoo Kim
Until now, PageHighMem() is used for two different cases. One is to check
if there is a direct mapping for this page or not. The other is to check
the zone of this page, that is, weather it is the highmem type zone or not.
Now, we have separate functions, PageHighMem() and PageHighMemZone() for
each cases. Use appropriate one.
Note that there are some rules to determine the proper macro.
1. If PageHighMem() is called for checking if the direct mapping exists
or not, use PageHighMem().
2. If PageHighMem() is used to predict the previous gfp_flags for
this page, use PageHighMemZone(). The zone of the page is related to
the gfp_flags.
3. If purpose of calling PageHighMem() is to count highmem page and
to interact with the system by using this count, use PageHighMemZone().
This counter is usually used to calculate the available memory for an
kernel allocation and pages on the highmem zone cannot be available
for an kernel allocation.
4. Otherwise, use PageHighMemZone(). It's safe since it's implementation
is just copy of the previous PageHighMem() implementation and won't
be changed.
I apply the rule #2 for this patch.
Acked-by: Roman Gushchin
Signed-off-by: Joonsoo Kim
---
kernel/kexec_core.c | 2 +-
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/kernel/kexec_core.c b/kernel/kexec_core.c
index ba1d91e..33097b7 100644
--- a/kernel/kexec_core.c
+++ b/kernel/kexec_core.c
@@ -766,7 +766,7 @@ static struct page *kimage_alloc_page(struct kimage *image,
* gfp_flags honor the ones passed in.
*/
if (!(gfp_mask & __GFP_HIGHMEM) &&
- PageHighMem(old_page)) {
+ PageHighMemZone(old_page)) {
kimage_free_pages(old_page);
continue;
}
--
2.7.4
