Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread FORT David
Horst von Brand wrote: > FORT David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Horst von Brand wrote: > > [...] > > > > Dream on, as it won't happen. Just think of either: > > > > > > - All pieces _have_ to be the same version: What is the use then? Just ship > > > them together and be done. Splitting it

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Nathan Straz
On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:13:34PM -0600, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > Kenneth Johansson wrote: > > "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > > > This does not solve the problem of integration testing, but eh solution > > > here is to create an integration test group whose sole charter is to > > > test modules in an

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Stephen Tweedie wrote: > > Hi, > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:57:52PM -0600, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > > > Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be > > reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to > > known good modules to post a release. >

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Horst von Brand
FORT David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Horst von Brand wrote: [...] > > Dream on, as it won't happen. Just think of either: > > > > - All pieces _have_ to be the same version: What is the use then? Just ship > > them together and be done. Splitting it up is extra work, plus the > >

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Stephen Tweedie
Hi, On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:57:52PM -0600, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be > reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to > known good modules to post a release. Most of the big 2.4 module changes

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread FORT David
Horst von Brand wrote: > FORT David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > I totally agree, I'm really wondering if the current API would allow to > > create a tree which would contain only files needed on > > machine. Typically i never use sparc or mips file in kernel > > compilation. I'm dreaming

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Horst von Brand
FORT David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I totally agree, I'm really wondering if the current API would allow to > create a tree which would contain only files needed on > machine. Typically i never use sparc or mips file in kernel > compilation. I'm dreaming of a day when i could download

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Horst von Brand
FORT David [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I totally agree, I'm really wondering if the current API would allow to create a tree which would contain only files needed on machine. Typically i never use sparc or mips file in kernel compilation. I'm dreaming of a day when i could download these

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Stephen Tweedie
Hi, On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:57:52PM -0600, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to known good modules to post a release. Most of the big 2.4 module changes involved

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Horst von Brand
FORT David [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Horst von Brand wrote: [...] Dream on, as it won't happen. Just think of either: - All pieces _have_ to be the same version: What is the use then? Just ship them together and be done. Splitting it up is extra work, plus the complaints that

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Stephen Tweedie wrote: Hi, On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:57:52PM -0600, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to known good modules to post a release. Most of the

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-18 Thread Nathan Straz
On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:13:34PM -0600, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: Kenneth Johansson wrote: "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: This does not solve the problem of integration testing, but eh solution here is to create an integration test group whose sole charter is to test modules in an integrated

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Let's see if Linus creates a modular 2.5 tree. If he does, merging MANOS back into Linux will be a pleasant experience Jeff FORT David wrote: > > "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > > > Kenneth Johansson wrote: > > > > > > "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > > > > > > > Alan, > > > > > > > > Were Linux to

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread FORT David
"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > Kenneth Johansson wrote: > > > > "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > > > > > Alan, > > > > > > Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be > > > changes creap into the kernel that increase the time to a stable version. Making > > the TODO list before

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Kenneth Johansson wrote: > > "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > > > Alan, > > > > Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be > > reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to > > known good modules to post a release. The way you guys are going, if > >

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Kenneth Johansson
"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > Alan, > > Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be > reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to > known good modules to post a release. The way you guys are going, if > Linux stays monolithic, your cycles will get

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Alan, Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to known good modules to post a release. The way you guys are going, if Linux stays monolithic, your cycles will get longer and longer. Modularity will

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Alan Cox
> As soon as 2.4 comes out, 2.7 is created, 2.6test > will be feature frozen. > Development time would be shorter, and > the nuisance with "this important feature has tz slip > in" would be finished. It requires too much people overhead. I have proposed another idea which is at about 10 months

three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Mirko Kloppstech
What about creating three kernel series: 2.2. stable 2.4. feature frozen 2.5 development? As soon as 2.4 comes out, 2.7 is created, 2.6test will be feature frozen. Development time would be shorter, and the nuisance with "this important feature has tz slip in" would be finished. Mirko

three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Mirko Kloppstech
What about creating three kernel series: 2.2. stable 2.4. feature frozen 2.5 development? As soon as 2.4 comes out, 2.7 is created, 2.6test will be feature frozen. Development time would be shorter, and the nuisance with "this important feature has tz slip in" would be finished. Mirko

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Alan Cox
As soon as 2.4 comes out, 2.7 is created, 2.6test will be feature frozen. Development time would be shorter, and the nuisance with "this important feature has tz slip in" would be finished. It requires too much people overhead. I have proposed another idea which is at about 10 months in or

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Alan, Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to known good modules to post a release. The way you guys are going, if Linux stays monolithic, your cycles will get longer and longer. Modularity will

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Kenneth Johansson
"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: Alan, Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to known good modules to post a release. The way you guys are going, if Linux stays monolithic, your cycles will get longer

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Kenneth Johansson wrote: "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: Alan, Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be reduced by 1/2 to 1/3. This is because you could always roll back to known good modules to post a release. The way you guys are going, if Linux stays

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread FORT David
"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: Kenneth Johansson wrote: "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: Alan, Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5, development cycles will be changes creap into the kernel that increase the time to a stable version. Making the TODO list before instead of at the end

Re: three kernel trees?

2000-10-17 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Let's see if Linus creates a modular 2.5 tree. If he does, merging MANOS back into Linux will be a pleasant experience Jeff FORT David wrote: "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: Kenneth Johansson wrote: "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: Alan, Were Linux to go totally modular in 2.5,