Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-19 Thread Len Brown
On Wednesday 18 April 2007 20:35, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Dave Jones wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:23:15PM -0400, Len Brown wrote: > > > > > > p.p.s. patch improvements that will let me avoid doing any of that > > > > myself always welcome. :-) > > > > > >

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-19 Thread Len Brown
On Wednesday 18 April 2007 20:35, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Dave Jones wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:23:15PM -0400, Len Brown wrote: p.p.s. patch improvements that will let me avoid doing any of that myself always welcome. :-) well, I'm sorry that

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:23:15PM -0400, Len Brown wrote: > > > > p.p.s. patch improvements that will let me avoid doing any of that > > > myself always welcome. :-) > > > > well, I'm sorry that I've known about the APM issue for a long time > > and

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:23:15PM -0400, Len Brown wrote: > > p.p.s. patch improvements that will let me avoid doing any of that > > myself always welcome. :-) > > well, I'm sorry that I've known about the APM issue for a long time > and done nothing about it. I did ping davej when he

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Len Brown wrote: > On Wednesday 18 April 2007 16:23, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > ok, i get it now and -- correct me if i'm wrong -- all my legacy PM > > removal patch was doing was exposing a design boo-boo in which > > APM/ACPI contention was being handled by a macro in a

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Len Brown
On Wednesday 18 April 2007 16:23, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Len Brown wrote: > > Here is how it should work. CONFIG_ACPI and CONFIG_APM should both > > available in a kernel build. However, at boot time, of ACPI is > > active, then APM should be disabled. > > > > The

Re: {Spam?} Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Len Brown wrote: > On Saturday 14 April 2007 09:01, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" <[EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > >>One reason was that there are (were?) a number of machines which only > >>powered > >>down properly using apm. It was discussed as part of shutting down after > >>power > >>failure when your UPS is running out of power. > >> > > > >um ... what does APM have to do with legacy PM?

Re: {Spam?} Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Len Brown
On Saturday 14 April 2007 09:01, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > > > > > > One thing that comes

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... > > um ... what does APM have to do with legacy PM? two different > > issues, no? > Since the patches are going into apm.c and apm was used for suspend > and poweroff before ACPI was a feature of the hardware, I assume >

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Bill Davidsen
Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: [appropriate CCs added] On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Bill Davidsen
Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: [appropriate CCs added] On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... um ... what does APM have to do with legacy PM? two different issues, no? Since the patches are going into apm.c and apm was used for suspend and poweroff before ACPI was a feature of the hardware, I assume there's a

Re: {Spam?} Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Len Brown
On Saturday 14 April 2007 09:01, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: One thing that comes to mind is that you will

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! One reason was that there are (were?) a number of machines which only powered down properly using apm. It was discussed as part of shutting down after power failure when your UPS is running out of power. um ... what does APM have to do with legacy PM? two different issues,

Re: {Spam?} Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Len Brown wrote: On Saturday 14 April 2007 09:01, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote:

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Len Brown
On Wednesday 18 April 2007 16:23, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Len Brown wrote: Here is how it should work. CONFIG_ACPI and CONFIG_APM should both available in a kernel build. However, at boot time, of ACPI is active, then APM should be disabled. The pm_active flag used

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Len Brown wrote: On Wednesday 18 April 2007 16:23, Robert P. J. Day wrote: ok, i get it now and -- correct me if i'm wrong -- all my legacy PM removal patch was doing was exposing a design boo-boo in which APM/ACPI contention was being handled by a macro in a

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:23:15PM -0400, Len Brown wrote: p.p.s. patch improvements that will let me avoid doing any of that myself always welcome. :-) well, I'm sorry that I've known about the APM issue for a long time and done nothing about it. I did ping davej when he broke it,

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Dave Jones wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:23:15PM -0400, Len Brown wrote: p.p.s. patch improvements that will let me avoid doing any of that myself always welcome. :-) well, I'm sorry that I've known about the APM issue for a long time and done nothing

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-17 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > [appropriate CCs added] > > > > On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents > > > tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the

Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-17 Thread David Brownell
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 3:12 pm, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > One reason was that there are (were?) a number of machines which only > powered down properly using apm. It was discussed as part of shutting > down after power failure when your UPS is running out of power. At least the notification

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: [appropriate CCs added] On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for PM_LEGACY lists it as "DEPRECATED", while the

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: [appropriate CCs added] On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for PM_LEGACY lists it as DEPRECATED, while the help

Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-17 Thread David Brownell
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 3:12 pm, Bill Davidsen wrote: One reason was that there are (were?) a number of machines which only powered down properly using apm. It was discussed as part of shutting down after power failure when your UPS is running out of power. At least the notification

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-17 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: [appropriate CCs added] On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-15 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > > just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents > > tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for > > PM_LEGACY lists it as "DEPRECATED", while the help screen calls it > > "obsolete." that's a good sign that it's getting close to the time >

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-15 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for PM_LEGACY lists it as DEPRECATED, while the help screen calls it obsolete. that's a good sign that it's getting close to the time for it to

{Spam?} Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-14 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > > > > One thing that comes to mind is that you will need some way to > > > make sure that only one of

{Spam?} Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-14 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > > > > One thing that comes to mind is that you will need some way to > > > make sure that only one of

{Spam?} Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-14 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: One thing that comes to mind is that you will need some way to make sure that only one of ACPI and APM get

{Spam?} Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-14 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: One thing that comes to mind is that you will need some way to make sure that only one of ACPI and APM get

Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread David Brownell
On Friday 13 April 2007 1:22 am, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > [appropriate CCs added] > > On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents > > tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > > > > One thing that comes to mind is that you will need some way to make sure > > > that only one of

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Stephen Rothwell
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > > One thing that comes to mind is that you will need some way to make sure > > that only one of ACPI and APM get initialized ... > > i don't see how that

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:33:16 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > just something i threw together, not in final form, but it > > represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the > > menuconfig entry for

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Rafael J. Wysocki
[appropriate CCs added] On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents > tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for > PM_LEGACY lists it as "DEPRECATED", while the help screen calls it >

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Stephen Rothwell
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:33:16 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents > tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for > PM_LEGACY lists it as "DEPRECATED", while the help screen

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Stephen Rothwell
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for PM_LEGACY lists it as DEPRECATED, while the help screen calls it

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Rafael J. Wysocki
[appropriate CCs added] On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for PM_LEGACY lists it as DEPRECATED, while the help screen calls it

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for PM_LEGACY lists it

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Stephen Rothwell
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: One thing that comes to mind is that you will need some way to make sure that only one of ACPI and APM get initialized ... i don't see how that has anything to

Re: [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Stephen Rothwell wrote: One thing that comes to mind is that you will need some way to make sure that only one of ACPI and APM get

Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-13 Thread David Brownell
On Friday 13 April 2007 1:22 am, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: [appropriate CCs added] On Friday, 13 April 2007 02:33, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for

[PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for PM_LEGACY lists it as "DEPRECATED", while the help screen calls it "obsolete." that's a good sign that it's getting close to the time for it to go, and the

[PATCH][RFC] Kill off legacy power management stuff.

2007-04-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
just something i threw together, not in final form, but it represents tossing the legacy PM stuff. at the moment, the menuconfig entry for PM_LEGACY lists it as DEPRECATED, while the help screen calls it obsolete. that's a good sign that it's getting close to the time for it to go, and the