Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-23 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Albert. Since you appear to be determined to ignore reason and stick to your misguided guns I'll leave you to destroy all the good work that has gone into the Linux kernel's documentation and make it something even Bill Gates would be proud of. However, I'll stick to documentation that

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-23 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Riley Williams writes: > Hi Albert. The rule should be like this: List the lowest version number required to get 2.2.xx-level features while running a 2.4.xx kernel. >>> Replace that "a 2.2.xx" with "my current" and remove all >>> restrictions on what the current

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-23 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Riley Williams writes: Hi Albert. The rule should be like this: List the lowest version number required to get 2.2.xx-level features while running a 2.4.xx kernel. Replace that "a 2.2.xx" with "my current" and remove all restrictions on what the current kernel is, and that becomes

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-23 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Albert. Since you appear to be determined to ignore reason and stick to your misguided guns I'll leave you to destroy all the good work that has gone into the Linux kernel's documentation and make it something even Bill Gates would be proud of. However, I'll stick to documentation that

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-19 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Albert. >>> The rule should be like this: >>> >>>List the lowest version number required to get >>>2.2.xx-level features while running a 2.4.xx kernel. >> That's a meaningless definition, and can only be taken as such. What >> use would such a list be to somebody wishing (like

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-19 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Albert. The rule should be like this: List the lowest version number required to get 2.2.xx-level features while running a 2.4.xx kernel. That's a meaningless definition, and can only be taken as such. What use would such a list be to somebody wishing (like I recently was)

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-18 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Riley Williams writes: >> The rule should be like this: >> >> List the lowest version number required to get >> 2.2.xx-level features while running a 2.4.xx kernel. > > That's a meaningless definition, and can only be taken as such. What > use would such a list be to somebody wishing

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-17 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Albert. >> +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version > Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, >>> Exactly why? Mere missing features don't make for a required >>> upgrade. Version number inflation should be resisted. >> These days you can mount

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-17 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. >> {Shrug} Thinking isn't sufficient - check your facts. > Poor Riley, > > Probably I should not answer, I think you know all the facts > already. But just to be sure: > (i) There are two different packages, kbd and a forked version, > console-tools. Both contain roughly the

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-17 Thread Andries . Brouwer
> If the old mount can still do what it used to do, > then "mount" need not be listed at all. Well, I started saying that the mount line should be deleted, so we somewhat agree. > If I run the mount command from Red Hat 6.2, using it > as intended for a 2.2.xx kernel, doesn't everything work?

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-17 Thread Andries . Brouwer
If the old mount can still do what it used to do, then "mount" need not be listed at all. Well, I started saying that the mount line should be deleted, so we somewhat agree. If I run the mount command from Red Hat 6.2, using it as intended for a 2.2.xx kernel, doesn't everything work?

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-17 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. {Shrug} Thinking isn't sufficient - check your facts. Poor Riley, Probably I should not answer, I think you know all the facts already. But just to be sure: (i) There are two different packages, kbd and a forked version, console-tools. Both contain roughly the same

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-17 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Albert. +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, Exactly why? Mere missing features don't make for a required upgrade. Version number inflation should be resisted. These days you can mount several

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Andries.Brouwer writes: >> From: "Albert D. Cahalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V > +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version Concerning mount: (i) the version

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. > Neither am I - but, according to comments from RedHat a while back, > they repackage mount separately because they provide a NEWER version > of mount than is in the util-linux package. This will ALSO result in > `mount --version` giving the wrong answer... >

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Nick Holloway
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > From: Riley Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > {Shrug} Please explain why I was unable to get ver_linux to report a > > % ./loadkeys -h 2>&1 | head -1 > loadkeys version 1.06 > > Maybe nothing has changed here the past eight years. It just works. > Perhaps

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Andries . Brouwer
From: Riley Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Neither am I - but, according to comments from RedHat a while back, they repackage mount separately because they provide a NEWER version of mount than is in the util-linux package. This will ALSO result in `mount --version` giving the

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. > [Yes, I wrote, replying to your mail, just because I happened to > notice the incorrect or debatable lines in your patch. Let me cc > the Changes maintainer - maybe Chris Ricker.] -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version +o util-linux

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. [Yes, I wrote, replying to your mail, just because I happened to notice the incorrect or debatable lines in your patch. Let me cc the Changes maintainer - maybe Chris Ricker.] -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version +o util-linux #

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Andries . Brouwer
From: Riley Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither am I - but, according to comments from RedHat a while back, they repackage mount separately because they provide a NEWER version of mount than is in the util-linux package. This will ALSO result in `mount --version` giving the

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Nick Holloway
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Riley Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] {Shrug} Please explain why I was unable to get ver_linux to report a % ./loadkeys -h 21 | head -1 loadkeys version 1.06 Maybe nothing has changed here the past eight years. It just works. Perhaps you tried some

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. Neither am I - but, according to comments from RedHat a while back, they repackage mount separately because they provide a NEWER version of mount than is in the util-linux package. This will ALSO result in `mount --version` giving the wrong answer... There

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Andries.Brouwer writes: From: "Albert D. Cahalan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, Exactly

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-15 Thread Rogier Wolff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V > >>> +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version > >> > >> Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, > On the

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-15 Thread Andries . Brouwer
From: "Albert D. Cahalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V >>> +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version >> >> Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-15 Thread Rogier Wolff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, On the other hand, there

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Alexander Viro writes: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V >>> +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version >> >> Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, Exactly why? Mere missing features don't

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Russell King
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 08:29:53PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > There is no other source. Some people like to repack but that > has no influence on versions. I believe that RedHat don't build mount and util-linux from the same tree. Maybe they do internally, but when you look at the RPMs,

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Andries . Brouwer
From: Riley Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Yes, I wrote, replying to your mail, just because I happened to notice the incorrect or debatable lines in your patch. Let me cc the Changes maintainer - maybe Chris Ricker.] >> -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. >> -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version >> +o util-linux # 2.10o# fdformat --version > Looking at fdformat to get the util-linux version is perhaps not > the most reliable way - some people have fdformat from fd-utils > or

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Looking at fdformat to get the util-linux version is perhaps >not the most reliable way - some people have fdformat from fd-utils or so. >Using mount --version would be better - I am not aware of any >other mount distribution. Bad idea. RedHat has mount and util-linux

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Andries . Brouwer
> Many systems have mount (and bsdutils) separated from util-linux > as a binary package. Built from the same source, indeed, but... I hope that this habit is dying. Long ago that was reasonable, but these days (years) it only causes extra work. >> Concerning Console Tools: maybe kbd-1.05 is

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Alexander Viro
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V > > +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version > > Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, > (ii) mount is in util-linux. Conclusion: the mount line > should

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Andries . Brouwer
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 10:39:53AM +, Riley Williams wrote: > -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version > +o util-linux # 2.10o# fdformat --version Looking at fdformat to get the util-linux version is perhaps not the most reliable way - some

[PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Riley Williams
Hi all. As a result of private email correspondance I have recently received, I became aware that the current system of identifying the versions of the various subsystems required to support any particular kernel version is inadequate, and decided to do something about it. The enclosed patch is

[PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Riley Williams
Hi all. As a result of private email correspondance I have recently received, I became aware that the current system of identifying the versions of the various subsystems required to support any particular kernel version is inadequate, and decided to do something about it. The enclosed patch is

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Alexander Viro
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, (ii) mount is in util-linux. Conclusion: the mount line should be

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looking at fdformat to get the util-linux version is perhaps not the most reliable way - some people have fdformat from fd-utils or so. Using mount --version would be better - I am not aware of any other mount distribution. Bad idea. RedHat has mount and util-linux in

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Andries . Brouwer
From: Riley Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Yes, I wrote, replying to your mail, just because I happened to notice the incorrect or debatable lines in your patch. Let me cc the Changes maintainer - maybe Chris Ricker.] -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Russell King
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 08:29:53PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no other source. Some people like to repack but that has no influence on versions. I believe that RedHat don't build mount and util-linux from the same tree. Maybe they do internally, but when you look at the RPMs,

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Alexander Viro writes: On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, Exactly why? Mere missing features don't make for a