Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi Hans, On Tuesday 14 Mar 2017 08:55:36 Hans Verkuil wrote: > On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Hi Sakari, > > > > I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a > > simpler one. > > > > Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:46:22 +0200 Sakari Ailus escreveu: >

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi Hans, On Tuesday 14 Mar 2017 08:55:36 Hans Verkuil wrote: > On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Hi Sakari, > > > > I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a > > simpler one. > > > > Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:46:22 +0200 Sakari Ailus escreveu: >

script to setup pipeline was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi! > > I do agree with you that MC places a lot of burden on the user to > > attain a lot of knowledge of the system's architecture. > > Setting up the pipeline is not the hard part. One could write a > script to do that. Can you try to write that script? I believe it would solve big part of

script to setup pipeline was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi! > > I do agree with you that MC places a lot of burden on the user to > > attain a lot of knowledge of the system's architecture. > > Setting up the pipeline is not the hard part. One could write a > script to do that. Can you try to write that script? I believe it would solve big part of

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi! > > Making use of the full potential of the hardware requires using a more > > expressive interface. > > That's the core of the problem: most users don't need "full potential > of the hardware". It is actually worse than that: several boards > don't allow "full potential" of the SoC

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi! > > Making use of the full potential of the hardware requires using a more > > expressive interface. > > That's the core of the problem: most users don't need "full potential > of the hardware". It is actually worse than that: several boards > don't allow "full potential" of the SoC

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:10:03 + Russell King - ARM Linux escreveu: > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:39:38PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:24:25 +0100 > > Hans Verkuil escreveu: > > > I don't think this control

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:10:03 + Russell King - ARM Linux escreveu: > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:39:38PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:24:25 +0100 > > Hans Verkuil escreveu: > > > I don't think this control inheritance patch will magically prevent you > > >

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:39:38PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:24:25 +0100 > Hans Verkuil escreveu: > > I don't think this control inheritance patch will magically prevent you > > from needed a plugin. > > Yeah, it is not just control

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:39:38PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:24:25 +0100 > Hans Verkuil escreveu: > > I don't think this control inheritance patch will magically prevent you > > from needed a plugin. > > Yeah, it is not just control inheritance. The driver

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:24:25 +0100 Hans Verkuil escreveu: > On 03/14/2017 11:21 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:55:36 +0100 > > Hans Verkuil escreveu: > > > >> On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > >>> Hi

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:24:25 +0100 Hans Verkuil escreveu: > On 03/14/2017 11:21 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:55:36 +0100 > > Hans Verkuil escreveu: > > > >> On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > >>> Hi Sakari, > >>> > >> We're all very

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:10:30 +0100 Hans Verkuil escreveu: > On 03/17/2017 03:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 02:51:10PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > >> On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 10:24 -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > >> [...] > >>> The

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:10:30 +0100 Hans Verkuil escreveu: > On 03/17/2017 03:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 02:51:10PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > >> On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 10:24 -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > >> [...] > >>> The big question,

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/14/2017 11:21 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:55:36 +0100 > Hans Verkuil escreveu: > >> On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: >>> Hi Sakari, >>> >>> I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a >>>

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/14/2017 11:21 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:55:36 +0100 > Hans Verkuil escreveu: > >> On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: >>> Hi Sakari, >>> >>> I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a >>> simpler one. >>> >>> Em

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/17/2017 03:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 02:51:10PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: >> On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 10:24 -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: >> [...] >>> The big question, waiting for an answer on the last 8 years is >>> who would do that? Such person

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/17/2017 03:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 02:51:10PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: >> On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 10:24 -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: >> [...] >>> The big question, waiting for an answer on the last 8 years is >>> who would do that? Such person

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/17/2017 12:55 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote: > Hi Russell, > > On 03/17/17 13:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: >>> We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little >>> attention in general. So before just

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/17/2017 12:55 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote: > Hi Russell, > > On 03/17/17 13:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: >>> We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little >>> attention in general. So before just

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri 2017-03-17 11:42:03, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > > We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little > > attention in general. So before just throwing in the towel we should take > > a good look at

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri 2017-03-17 11:42:03, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > > We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little > > attention in general. So before just throwing in the towel we should take > > a good look at

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:16:08 + Russell King - ARM Linux escreveu: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 01:02:07PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > > I think most of the simple, fixed pipeline use cases could be handled by > > libv4l2, by allowing to pass a v4l2 subdevice path to

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:16:08 + Russell King - ARM Linux escreveu: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 01:02:07PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > > I think most of the simple, fixed pipeline use cases could be handled by > > libv4l2, by allowing to pass a v4l2 subdevice path to v4l2_open. If that > >

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 02:51:10PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 10:24 -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > [...] > > The big question, waiting for an answer on the last 8 years is > > who would do that? Such person would need to have several different > > hardware from

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 02:51:10PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 10:24 -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > [...] > > The big question, waiting for an answer on the last 8 years is > > who would do that? Such person would need to have several different > > hardware from

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:55:33 +0200 Sakari Ailus escreveu: > Hi Russell, > > On 03/17/17 13:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > >> We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:55:33 +0200 Sakari Ailus escreveu: > Hi Russell, > > On 03/17/17 13:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > >> We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little > >> attention in

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 10:24 -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: [...] > The big question, waiting for an answer on the last 8 years is > who would do that? Such person would need to have several different > hardware from different vendors, in order to ensure that it has > a generic solution. > >

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 10:24 -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: [...] > The big question, waiting for an answer on the last 8 years is > who would do that? Such person would need to have several different > hardware from different vendors, in order to ensure that it has > a generic solution. > >

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 01:02:07PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > I think most of the simple, fixed pipeline use cases could be handled by > libv4l2, by allowing to pass a v4l2 subdevice path to v4l2_open. If that > function internally would set up the media links to the > nearest /dev/video

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 01:02:07PM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > I think most of the simple, fixed pipeline use cases could be handled by > libv4l2, by allowing to pass a v4l2 subdevice path to v4l2_open. If that > function internally would set up the media links to the > nearest /dev/video

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 11:42 +, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > > We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little > > attention in general. So before just throwing in the towel we should take > > a good

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 11:42 +, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > > We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little > > attention in general. So before just throwing in the towel we should take > > a good

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi Russell, On 03/17/17 13:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: >> We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little >> attention in general. So before just throwing in the towel we should take >> a good look at

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi Russell, On 03/17/17 13:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: >> We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little >> attention in general. So before just throwing in the towel we should take >> a good look at

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little > attention in general. So before just throwing in the towel we should take > a good look at the reasons why there has been little or no development: is > it

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 08:55:36AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > We're all very driver-development-driven, and userspace gets very little > attention in general. So before just throwing in the towel we should take > a good look at the reasons why there has been little or no development: is > it

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Hi! > > > > mplayer is useful for testing... but that one already works (after you > > > > setup the pipeline, and configure exposure/gain). > > > > > > > > But thats useful for testing, not really for production. Image will be > > > > out of focus and with wrong white balance. > > > > > > > >

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Hi! > > > > mplayer is useful for testing... but that one already works (after you > > > > setup the pipeline, and configure exposure/gain). > > > > > > > > But thats useful for testing, not really for production. Image will be > > > > out of focus and with wrong white balance. > > > > > > > >

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:01:56AM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > On Thu, 2017-03-16 at 10:47 +0100, Philippe De Muyter wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:26:00AM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > > > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:55 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:01:56AM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > On Thu, 2017-03-16 at 10:47 +0100, Philippe De Muyter wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:26:00AM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > > > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:55 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Thu, 2017-03-16 at 10:47 +0100, Philippe De Muyter wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:26:00AM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:55 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > > > Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50 +0100, Philippe De Muyter a écrit : > > > > > I would say: camorama,

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Thu, 2017-03-16 at 10:47 +0100, Philippe De Muyter wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:26:00AM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:55 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > > > Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50 +0100, Philippe De Muyter a écrit : > > > > > I would say: camorama,

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:26:00AM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:55 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > > Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50 +0100, Philippe De Muyter a écrit : > > > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3, zbar, google talk, skype. If it runs > > > > with those, it

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:26:00AM +0100, Philipp Zabel wrote: > On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:55 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > > Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50 +0100, Philippe De Muyter a écrit : > > > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3, zbar, google talk, skype. If it runs > > > > with those, it

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:55 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50 +0100, Philippe De Muyter a écrit : > > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3, zbar, google talk, skype. If it runs > > > with those, it will likely run with any other application. > > > > > > > I would like

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 14:55 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50 +0100, Philippe De Muyter a écrit : > > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3, zbar, google talk, skype. If it runs > > > with those, it will likely run with any other application. > > > > > > > I would like

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Em Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:04:21 +0100 Pavel Machek escreveu: > Hi! > > > > Well, I believe first question is: what applications would we want to > > > run on complex devices? Will sending control from video to subdevs > > > actually help? > > > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3,

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Em Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:04:21 +0100 Pavel Machek escreveu: > Hi! > > > > Well, I believe first question is: what applications would we want to > > > run on complex devices? Will sending control from video to subdevs > > > actually help? > > > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3, zbar, google

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50 +0100, Philippe De Muyter a écrit : > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3, zbar, google talk, skype. If it runs > > with those, it will likely run with any other application. > > > > I would like to add the 'v4l2src' plugin of gstreamer, and on the > imx6 its While

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Le mercredi 15 mars 2017 à 11:50 +0100, Philippe De Muyter a écrit : > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3, zbar, google talk, skype. If it runs > > with those, it will likely run with any other application. > > > > I would like to add the 'v4l2src' plugin of gstreamer, and on the > imx6 its While

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Hi! > > Well, I believe first question is: what applications would we want to > > run on complex devices? Will sending control from video to subdevs > > actually help? > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3, zbar, google talk, skype. If it runs > with those, it will likely run with any other

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Hi! > > Well, I believe first question is: what applications would we want to > > run on complex devices? Will sending control from video to subdevs > > actually help? > > I would say: camorama, xawtv3, zbar, google talk, skype. If it runs > with those, it will likely run with any other

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 09:54:31PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 23:32:54 +0100 > Pavel Machek escreveu: > > > > > Well, I believe first question is: what applications would we want to > > run on complex devices? Will sending control from video to

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 09:54:31PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 23:32:54 +0100 > Pavel Machek escreveu: > > > > > Well, I believe first question is: what applications would we want to > > run on complex devices? Will sending control from video to subdevs > >

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 23:32:54 +0100 Pavel Machek escreveu: > Hi! > > > > > Even if they were merged, if we keep the same mean time to develop a > > > > libv4l plugin, that would mean that a plugin for i.MX6 could take 2-3 > > > > years to be developed. > > > > > > > > There's a

Re: media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 23:32:54 +0100 Pavel Machek escreveu: > Hi! > > > > > Even if they were merged, if we keep the same mean time to develop a > > > > libv4l plugin, that would mean that a plugin for i.MX6 could take 2-3 > > > > years to be developed. > > > > > > > > There's a clear message on

media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Hi! > > > Even if they were merged, if we keep the same mean time to develop a > > > libv4l plugin, that would mean that a plugin for i.MX6 could take 2-3 > > > years to be developed. > > > > > > There's a clear message on it: > > > - we shouldn't keep pushing for a solution via libv4l. > >

media / v4l2-mc: wishlist for complex cameras (was Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline)

Hi! > > > Even if they were merged, if we keep the same mean time to develop a > > > libv4l plugin, that would mean that a plugin for i.MX6 could take 2-3 > > > years to be developed. > > > > > > There's a clear message on it: > > > - we shouldn't keep pushing for a solution via libv4l. > >

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi! > > Mid-layer is difficult... there are _hundreds_ of possible > > pipeline setups. If it should live in kernel or in userspace is a > > question... but I don't think having it in kernel helps in any way. > > Mid-layer is difficult, because we either need to feed some > library with

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi! > > Mid-layer is difficult... there are _hundreds_ of possible > > pipeline setups. If it should live in kernel or in userspace is a > > question... but I don't think having it in kernel helps in any way. > > Mid-layer is difficult, because we either need to feed some > library with

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:55:36 +0100 Hans Verkuil escreveu: > On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Hi Sakari, > > > > I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a > > simpler one. > > > > Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:46:22 +0200 > >

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Em Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:55:36 +0100 Hans Verkuil escreveu: > On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Hi Sakari, > > > > I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a > > simpler one. > > > > Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:46:22 +0200 > > Sakari Ailus

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On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Hi Sakari, > > I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a > simpler one. > > Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:46:22 +0200 > Sakari Ailus escreveu: > >> Drivers are written to support hardware, not

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/14/2017 04:45 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Hi Sakari, > > I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a > simpler one. > > Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:46:22 +0200 > Sakari Ailus escreveu: > >> Drivers are written to support hardware, not particular use case.

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi Sakari, I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a simpler one. Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:46:22 +0200 Sakari Ailus escreveu: > Drivers are written to support hardware, not particular use case. No, it is just the reverse: drivers and hardware

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi Sakari, I started preparing a long argument about it, but gave up in favor of a simpler one. Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:46:22 +0200 Sakari Ailus escreveu: > Drivers are written to support hardware, not particular use case. No, it is just the reverse: drivers and hardware are developed to

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi Mauro, On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 08:25:49AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Sat, 11 Mar 2017 00:37:14 +0200 > Sakari Ailus escreveu: > > > Hi Mauro (and others), > > > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:53:42PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > Em Fri, 10 Mar

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi Mauro, On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 08:25:49AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Sat, 11 Mar 2017 00:37:14 +0200 > Sakari Ailus escreveu: > > > Hi Mauro (and others), > > > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:53:42PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > Em Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:20:48 +0100 >

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On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 08:42:15AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > I don't have myself any hardware with i.MX6. Yet, I believe that > a low cost board like SolidRun Hummingboard - with comes with a > CSI interface compatible with RPi camera modules - will likely > attract users who need to

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 08:42:15AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > I don't have myself any hardware with i.MX6. Yet, I believe that > a low cost board like SolidRun Hummingboard - with comes with a > CSI interface compatible with RPi camera modules - will likely > attract users who need to

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:58:42 + Russell King - ARM Linux escreveu: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > > On 03/12/2017 06:56 PM, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > > In summary, I do like the media framework, it's a good abstraction of > > >

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:58:42 + Russell King - ARM Linux escreveu: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > > On 03/12/2017 06:56 PM, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > > In summary, I do like the media framework, it's a good abstraction of > > > hardware pipelines. It

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/13/2017 11:58 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: >> On 03/12/2017 06:56 PM, Steve Longerbeam wrote: >>> In summary, I do like the media framework, it's a good abstraction of >>> hardware pipelines. It does require a lot of

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/13/2017 11:58 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: >> On 03/12/2017 06:56 PM, Steve Longerbeam wrote: >>> In summary, I do like the media framework, it's a good abstraction of >>> hardware pipelines. It does require a lot of

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > On 03/12/2017 06:56 PM, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > In summary, I do like the media framework, it's a good abstraction of > > hardware pipelines. It does require a lot of system level knowledge to > > configure, but as I said that is

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > On 03/12/2017 06:56 PM, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > In summary, I do like the media framework, it's a good abstraction of > > hardware pipelines. It does require a lot of system level knowledge to > > configure, but as I said that is

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/12/2017 06:56 PM, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > > On 03/11/2017 11:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800,

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/12/2017 06:56 PM, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > > On 03/11/2017 11:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800,

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Sun, 12 Mar 2017 22:29:04 +0100 Pavel Machek escreveu: > Mid-layer is difficult... there are _hundreds_ of possible > pipeline setups. If it should live in kernel or in userspace is a > question... but I don't think having it in kernel helps in any way. Mid-layer is difficult,

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Sun, 12 Mar 2017 22:29:04 +0100 Pavel Machek escreveu: > Mid-layer is difficult... there are _hundreds_ of possible > pipeline setups. If it should live in kernel or in userspace is a > question... but I don't think having it in kernel helps in any way. Mid-layer is difficult, because we

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:56:53 -0700 Steve Longerbeam escreveu: > On 03/11/2017 11:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > Given what Mauro has said, I'm convinced that the media controller stuff > >

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Em Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:56:53 -0700 Steve Longerbeam escreveu: > On 03/11/2017 11:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > Given what Mauro has said, I'm convinced that the media controller stuff > > is a complete failure

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Sat 2017-03-11 23:14:56, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 08:25:49AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > This situation is there since 2009. If I remember well, you tried to write > > such generic plugin in the past, but never finished it, apparently because > > it

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Sat 2017-03-11 23:14:56, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 08:25:49AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > This situation is there since 2009. If I remember well, you tried to write > > such generic plugin in the past, but never finished it, apparently because > > it

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Sun 2017-03-12 07:37:45, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > > > > > On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > >On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>On

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Sun 2017-03-12 07:37:45, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > > > > > On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > >On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>On

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/11/2017 11:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: On 03/11/2017 10:45 AM, Russell King - ARM

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/11/2017 11:37 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: On 03/11/2017 10:45 AM, Russell King - ARM

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > > On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > >On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > >> > >> > >>On 03/11/2017 10:45 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > >>>I really don't think

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 07:31:18PM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > > > On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > >On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: > >> > >> > >>On 03/11/2017 10:45 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > >>>I really don't think

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: On 03/11/2017 10:45 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: I really don't think expecting the user to understand and configure the pipeline is a sane way forward. Think

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/11/2017 10:59 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:54:55AM -0800, Steve Longerbeam wrote: On 03/11/2017 10:45 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: I really don't think expecting the user to understand and configure the pipeline is a sane way forward. Think

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/11/2017 03:14 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 08:25:49AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: This situation is there since 2009. If I remember well, you tried to write such generic plugin in the past, but never finished it, apparently because it is too

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On 03/11/2017 03:14 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 08:25:49AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: This situation is there since 2009. If I remember well, you tried to write such generic plugin in the past, but never finished it, apparently because it is too

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 08:25:49AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > This situation is there since 2009. If I remember well, you tried to write > such generic plugin in the past, but never finished it, apparently because > it is too complex. Others tried too over the years. > > The last

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 08:25:49AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > This situation is there since 2009. If I remember well, you tried to write > such generic plugin in the past, but never finished it, apparently because > it is too complex. Others tried too over the years. > > The last

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi! > > > The rationale is that we should support the simplest use cases first. > > > > > > In the case of the first MC-based driver (and several subsequent > > > ones), the simplest use case required MC, as it was meant to suport > > > a custom-made sophisticated application that required fine

Re: [PATCH v4 14/36] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline

Hi! > > > The rationale is that we should support the simplest use cases first. > > > > > > In the case of the first MC-based driver (and several subsequent > > > ones), the simplest use case required MC, as it was meant to suport > > > a custom-made sophisticated application that required fine

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