Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-04 Thread Antoine Martin
Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: and this one: http://www.suse.de/~kraxel/uml/patches/2.6.18-rc4/uml-x11-fb which applied cleanly, but is not letting me set the option - Kconfig is beyond me: arch/um/Kconfig:144:warning: 'select' used by config symbol

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-04 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: > and this one: > http://www.suse.de/~kraxel/uml/patches/2.6.18-rc4/uml-x11-fb > which applied cleanly, but is not letting me set the option - Kconfig is > beyond me: > > arch/um/Kconfig:144:warning: 'select' used by config symbol 'X11_FB' refer to >

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-04 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: and this one: http://www.suse.de/~kraxel/uml/patches/2.6.18-rc4/uml-x11-fb which applied cleanly, but is not letting me set the option - Kconfig is beyond me: arch/um/Kconfig:144:warning: 'select' used by config symbol 'X11_FB' refer to undefined

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-04 Thread Antoine Martin
Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: and this one: http://www.suse.de/~kraxel/uml/patches/2.6.18-rc4/uml-x11-fb which applied cleanly, but is not letting me set the option - Kconfig is beyond me: arch/um/Kconfig:144:warning: 'select' used by config symbol

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread Antoine Martin
Antoine Martin wrote: Jeff Dike wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:22:00PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: There are patches floating around for a UML frame buffer device. Gerd Kraxel^H^H^H^H^H^HHoffmann did one using plain X11, which worked great when I gave it a try. I suggest taking a look

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread Jason Lunz
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 10:28:40AM +0200, roland wrote: > what is the real advantage to package uml-kernel and rootfs into a single > file ? > > If this needs to be distributed with additional script, that's two files, > anyway. If a common means of doing this were widespread, the script would

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread Antoine Martin
Blaisorblade wrote: On lunedì 2 aprile 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: Jeff Dike wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation.

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread Blaisorblade
On lunedì 2 aprile 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: > Jeff Dike wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: > >> I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the > >> user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. > > > >

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread roland
what is the real advantage to package uml-kernel and rootfs into a single file ? If this needs to be distributed with additional script, that's two files, anyway. the classical way would be 3 files: uml-kernel, rootfs, script - put into some tar.gz or tar.bz2 this could look as elegant

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread roland
what is the real advantage to package uml-kernel and rootfs into a single file ? If this needs to be distributed with additional script, that's two files, anyway. the classical way would be 3 files: uml-kernel, rootfs, script - put into some tar.gz or tar.bz2 this could look as elegant

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread Blaisorblade
On lunedì 2 aprile 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: Jeff Dike wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. Why? I've never

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread Antoine Martin
Blaisorblade wrote: On lunedì 2 aprile 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: Jeff Dike wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation.

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread Jason Lunz
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 10:28:40AM +0200, roland wrote: what is the real advantage to package uml-kernel and rootfs into a single file ? If this needs to be distributed with additional script, that's two files, anyway. If a common means of doing this were widespread, the script would be

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-03 Thread Antoine Martin
Antoine Martin wrote: Jeff Dike wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:22:00PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: There are patches floating around for a UML frame buffer device. Gerd Kraxel^H^H^H^H^H^HHoffmann did one using plain X11, which worked great when I gave it a try. I suggest taking a look

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Jason Lunz
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 05:44:34PM -0400, Jeff Dike wrote: > There are sites (http://uml.nagafix.co.uk/ being the best one I know > of) where, with two downloads, two uncompressions, and one command > line later, you have a booted UML. > > The only way I know of to improve on this, aside from

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Jeff Dike
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 10:40:10PM +0200, roland wrote: > btw - i think besides that packaged uml+rootfs, the same thing could be > distributed in other formats, i.e. qemu, vmware, M$ virtual pc (add your > favourite v12n solution here) There are sites (http://uml.nagafix.co.uk/ being the best

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread roland
PROTECTED]> Cc: "Blaisorblade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ? Jeff Dike wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Ma

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Antoine Martin
Jeff Dike wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:21:43AM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: Just like the network auto-configuration via dhcp, it would allow users to download images+kernel and run them like appliances without understanding anything about X or UML, just click and run. True, but I don't

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Antoine Martin
Jeff Dike wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:22:00PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: There are patches floating around for a UML frame buffer device. Gerd Kraxel^H^H^H^H^H^HHoffmann did one using plain X11, which worked great when I gave it a try. I suggest taking a look at Gerd's patches.

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Jeff Dike
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:21:43AM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: > Just like the network auto-configuration via dhcp, it would allow users > to download images+kernel and run them like appliances without > understanding anything about X or UML, just click and run. True, but I don't see that as

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Jeff Dike
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:22:00PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > There are patches floating around for a UML frame buffer device. > Gerd Kraxel^H^H^H^H^H^HHoffmann did one using plain X11, which worked > great when I gave it a try. > > I suggest taking a look at Gerd's patches. IIRC, he

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Gerd Kraxel^H^H^H^H^H^HHoffmann did one using plain X11, which worked ^^ Sorry, this should have been `Knorr'. > great when I gave it a try. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: > Jeff Dike wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: > >> I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the > >> user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. > > > > Why?

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Antoine Martin
Jeff Dike wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. Why? I've never understood what a framebuffer gives you that you

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Antoine Martin
Jeff Dike wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. Why? I've never understood what a framebuffer gives you that you

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: Jeff Dike wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. Why? I've never

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: Gerd Kraxel^H^H^H^H^H^HHoffmann did one using plain X11, which worked ^^ Sorry, this should have been `Knorr'. great when I gave it a try. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Jeff Dike
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:22:00PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: There are patches floating around for a UML frame buffer device. Gerd Kraxel^H^H^H^H^H^HHoffmann did one using plain X11, which worked great when I gave it a try. I suggest taking a look at Gerd's patches. IIRC, he posted

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Jeff Dike
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:21:43AM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: Just like the network auto-configuration via dhcp, it would allow users to download images+kernel and run them like appliances without understanding anything about X or UML, just click and run. True, but I don't see that as

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Antoine Martin
Jeff Dike wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:21:43AM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: Just like the network auto-configuration via dhcp, it would allow users to download images+kernel and run them like appliances without understanding anything about X or UML, just click and run. True, but I don't

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Antoine Martin
Jeff Dike wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:22:00PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: There are patches floating around for a UML frame buffer device. Gerd Kraxel^H^H^H^H^H^HHoffmann did one using plain X11, which worked great when I gave it a try. I suggest taking a look at Gerd's patches.

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread roland
PROTECTED]; user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ? Jeff Dike wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: I

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Jeff Dike
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 10:40:10PM +0200, roland wrote: btw - i think besides that packaged uml+rootfs, the same thing could be distributed in other formats, i.e. qemu, vmware, M$ virtual pc (add your favourite v12n solution here) There are sites (http://uml.nagafix.co.uk/ being the best one

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-02 Thread Jason Lunz
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 05:44:34PM -0400, Jeff Dike wrote: There are sites (http://uml.nagafix.co.uk/ being the best one I know of) where, with two downloads, two uncompressions, and one command line later, you have a booted UML. The only way I know of to improve on this, aside from

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-01 Thread Jeff Dike
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: > I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the > user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. Why? I've never understood what a framebuffer gives you that you don't have now.

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-01 Thread Antoine Martin
[...] in short: it`s quite some work to be done to have your uml 2.6.21 with root-fs up and running and working cleanly. whenever i search the net for some appropriate UML fs image, those i find are very often old and outdated... Hmm... I'd think we need a wizard for configuration. Plus some

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-01 Thread Antoine Martin
[...] in short: it`s quite some work to be done to have your uml 2.6.21 with root-fs up and running and working cleanly. whenever i search the net for some appropriate UML fs image, those i find are very often old and outdated... Hmm... I'd think we need a wizard for configuration. Plus some

Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel rootfs bundle with every kernel release ?

2007-04-01 Thread Jeff Dike
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. Why? I've never understood what a framebuffer gives you that you don't have now.