Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-22 Thread David Riley
Jeff Epler wrote: > Well, a copy of that document *is* the first hit for a google search on > 'linux signal 11 faq' > http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+signal+11+faq > > In other words, someone who does the slightest bit of research will > find the answer. Perhaps, but if a new user

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-22 Thread Anthony Liu
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:33:25PM +0100, Frank van Maarseveen wrote: > [...] > > [root@merrimac linux-2.2.17]# cd scripts > > [root@merrimac scripts]# gcc -o mkdep.o mkdep.c > > collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped > > [root@merrimac scripts]# gcc -c -o

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-22 Thread Richard Torkar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Riley wrote: > Richard Torkar wrote: > > > > Well David, there is such a "manual". > > > > http://ftp.sunet.se/LDP/FAQ/faqs/GCC-SIG11-FAQ > > Yes. And if you ask the average new Linux user if they've read it, I > doubt you'll get a "yes". My

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-22 Thread Richard Torkar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Riley wrote: Richard Torkar wrote: Well David, there is such a "manual". http://ftp.sunet.se/LDP/FAQ/faqs/GCC-SIG11-FAQ Yes. And if you ask the average new Linux user if they've read it, I doubt you'll get a "yes". My question

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-22 Thread Anthony Liu
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:33:25PM +0100, Frank van Maarseveen wrote: [...] [root@merrimac linux-2.2.17]# cd scripts [root@merrimac scripts]# gcc -o mkdep.o mkdep.c collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped [root@merrimac scripts]# gcc -c -o mkdep.o

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-22 Thread David Riley
Jeff Epler wrote: Well, a copy of that document *is* the first hit for a google search on 'linux signal 11 faq' http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+signal+11+faq In other words, someone who does the slightest bit of research will find the answer. Perhaps, but if a new user starts

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Jeff Epler
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:17:48PM -0500, David Riley wrote: > Richard Torkar wrote: > > > > Well David, there is such a "manual". > > > > http://ftp.sunet.se/LDP/FAQ/faqs/GCC-SIG11-FAQ > > Yes. And if you ask the average new Linux user if they've read it, I > doubt you'll get a "yes". My

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Riley
Richard Torkar wrote: > > Well David, there is such a "manual". > > http://ftp.sunet.se/LDP/FAQ/faqs/GCC-SIG11-FAQ Yes. And if you ask the average new Linux user if they've read it, I doubt you'll get a "yes". My question boils down to this, and this I suppose is a personal/informational

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Richard Torkar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Riley wrote: > Jeff Epler wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 04:08:26PM -0500, David Riley wrote: > > > Windoze is not the only OS to handle bad hardware better than Linux. On > > > my Mac, I had a bad DIMM that worked fine on the MacOS

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Riley
Jeff Epler wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 04:08:26PM -0500, David Riley wrote: > > Windoze is not the only OS to handle bad hardware better than Linux. On > > my Mac, I had a bad DIMM that worked fine on the MacOS side, but kept > > causing random bus-type errors in Linux. Same as when I

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Gerd Knorr
> > This is true. What I suppose would be the solution is that if faulty > > hardware is found, a reduction in performance should be made. > > Finding out if you've got bad RAM might take a few hours running mem86. Not > exactly what I have in mind to do each boot... Even if memtest doesn't

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: > David Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > This is true. What I suppose would be the solution is that if faulty > > hardware is found, a reduction in performance should be made. > Finding out if you've got bad RAM might take a few hours running mem86.

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Horst von Brand
David Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [...] > This is true. What I suppose would be the solution is that if faulty > hardware is found, a reduction in performance should be made. Finding out if you've got bad RAM might take a few hours running mem86. Not exactly what I have in mind to do each

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Horst von Brand
David Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Horst von Brand wrote: > > So what? My former machine ran fine with Win95/WinNT. Linux wouldn't even > > end booting the kernel. Reason: P/100 was running at 120Mhz. Fixed that, no > > trouble for years. Not the only case of WinXX running (apparently?) fine

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Jeff Epler
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 04:08:26PM -0500, David Riley wrote: > Windoze is not the only OS to handle bad hardware better than Linux. On > my Mac, I had a bad DIMM that worked fine on the MacOS side, but kept > causing random bus-type errors in Linux. Same as when I accidentally > (long story)

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Bob Lorenzini
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, David Riley wrote: > Horst von Brand wrote: > > Windoze is not the only OS to handle bad hardware better than Linux. On > my Mac, I had a bad DIMM that worked fine on the MacOS side, but kept > causing random bus-type errors in Linux. Same as when I accidentally I

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Gérard Roudier
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, David Riley wrote: > Horst von Brand wrote: > > > > So what? My former machine ran fine with Win95/WinNT. Linux wouldn't even > > end booting the kernel. Reason: P/100 was running at 120Mhz. Fixed that, no > > trouble for years. Not the only case of WinXX running

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Lang
ROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux > > David Lang wrote: > > > > David, usually when it turns out that Linux finds hardware problems the > > underlying cause is that linux makes more effective

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Riley
David Lang wrote: > > David, usually when it turns out that Linux finds hardware problems the > underlying cause is that linux makes more effective use of the component, > and as such something that was marginal under windows fails under linux as > the correct timing is used. This is true.

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Lang
wrote: > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:08:26 -0500 > From: David Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: unlisted-recipients: ; > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux > > Horst von Brand wrote: > > > > So what? My f

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Riley
Horst von Brand wrote: > > So what? My former machine ran fine with Win95/WinNT. Linux wouldn't even > end booting the kernel. Reason: P/100 was running at 120Mhz. Fixed that, no > trouble for years. Not the only case of WinXX running (apparently?) fine > on broken/misconfigured hardware I've

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Albert D. Cahalan] > If one disk works and another one not, one might suspect > that the wrong DMA mode is being used in the crashing case. So, what DMA mode do *you* usually set for aic7xxx? (: (: Peter - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Riley
Horst von Brand wrote: So what? My former machine ran fine with Win95/WinNT. Linux wouldn't even end booting the kernel. Reason: P/100 was running at 120Mhz. Fixed that, no trouble for years. Not the only case of WinXX running (apparently?) fine on broken/misconfigured hardware I've seen,

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Lang
wrote: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:08:26 -0500 From: David Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: unlisted-recipients: ; Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux Horst von Brand wrote: So what? My former machine ran fine with Win95/WinNT. Linux

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Riley
David Lang wrote: David, usually when it turns out that Linux finds hardware problems the underlying cause is that linux makes more effective use of the component, and as such something that was marginal under windows fails under linux as the correct timing is used. This is true. What I

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Lang
] Subject: Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux David Lang wrote: David, usually when it turns out that Linux finds hardware problems the underlying cause is that linux makes more effective use of the component, and as such something that was marginal under windows

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Gérard Roudier
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, David Riley wrote: Horst von Brand wrote: So what? My former machine ran fine with Win95/WinNT. Linux wouldn't even end booting the kernel. Reason: P/100 was running at 120Mhz. Fixed that, no trouble for years. Not the only case of WinXX running (apparently?)

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Bob Lorenzini
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, David Riley wrote: Horst von Brand wrote: Windoze is not the only OS to handle bad hardware better than Linux. On my Mac, I had a bad DIMM that worked fine on the MacOS side, but kept causing random bus-type errors in Linux. Same as when I accidentally I believe

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Jeff Epler
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 04:08:26PM -0500, David Riley wrote: Windoze is not the only OS to handle bad hardware better than Linux. On my Mac, I had a bad DIMM that worked fine on the MacOS side, but kept causing random bus-type errors in Linux. Same as when I accidentally (long story)

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Horst von Brand
David Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Horst von Brand wrote: So what? My former machine ran fine with Win95/WinNT. Linux wouldn't even end booting the kernel. Reason: P/100 was running at 120Mhz. Fixed that, no trouble for years. Not the only case of WinXX running (apparently?) fine on

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Horst von Brand
David Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] This is true. What I suppose would be the solution is that if faulty hardware is found, a reduction in performance should be made. Finding out if you've got bad RAM might take a few hours running mem86. Not exactly what I have in mind to do each

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: David Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is true. What I suppose would be the solution is that if faulty hardware is found, a reduction in performance should be made. Finding out if you've got bad RAM might take a few hours running mem86. Not

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Gerd Knorr
This is true. What I suppose would be the solution is that if faulty hardware is found, a reduction in performance should be made. Finding out if you've got bad RAM might take a few hours running mem86. Not exactly what I have in mind to do each boot... Even if memtest doesn't find

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread David Riley
Jeff Epler wrote: On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 04:08:26PM -0500, David Riley wrote: Windoze is not the only OS to handle bad hardware better than Linux. On my Mac, I had a bad DIMM that worked fine on the MacOS side, but kept causing random bus-type errors in Linux. Same as when I

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Richard Torkar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Riley wrote: Jeff Epler wrote: On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 04:08:26PM -0500, David Riley wrote: Windoze is not the only OS to handle bad hardware better than Linux. On my Mac, I had a bad DIMM that worked fine on the MacOS side, but

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Jeff Epler
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 06:17:48PM -0500, David Riley wrote: Richard Torkar wrote: Well David, there is such a "manual". http://ftp.sunet.se/LDP/FAQ/faqs/GCC-SIG11-FAQ Yes. And if you ask the average new Linux user if they've read it, I doubt you'll get a "yes". My question boils

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-21 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Albert D. Cahalan] If one disk works and another one not, one might suspect that the wrong DMA mode is being used in the crashing case. So, what DMA mode do *you* usually set for aic7xxx? (: (: Peter - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
> These are hardware problems, not software. Programs like gcc and ld > segfaulting like this is NOT a software problem. > > Please don't turn up with some 'hey, it worked with my disk', that's no > clue that the distrib is bad. The same arguments as 'it works with > Windows'. This could be a

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Fort David
Ben Ford wrote: > Ya, I also had a system that ran many OS's great, including Linux, Win98, > Win2k, etc. However when I went to install NT on it, the CPU overheated > every time. Ya, I know, doesn't make sense, but that's how it was. > > -b > > It makes sense for me as win2000 is always 5°c

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread spam
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Paul Fulghum wrote: > When in fact according to this linux-kernel post: > http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9912.1/0653.html > they are goats that eat fermented potatoes. Hahaha, gotta love flame wars =) pavel -- Bask in the glow of the digital silence

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Ben Ford
Ya, I also had a system that ran many OS's great, including Linux, Win98, Win2k, etc. However when I went to install NT on it, the CPU overheated every time. Ya, I know, doesn't make sense, but that's how it was. -b John Jasen wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: > > >

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Ben Ford
Tigran Aivazian wrote: > > 3) edit /etc/ftpusers to allow root ftp > > 4) edit /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/rlogin to comment out securetty > PAM module (so we can telnet as root on _any_ tty) Not into security are you? -b - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Horst von Brand
John Jasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [...] > On this note, I recall a time that I 'appropriated' a workstation for > linux. > > It was pulled out of the student labs, where it had worked for 3 months > running NT 4.0, but the RH install kept on crashing out. So what? My former machine ran

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Frank van Maarseveen
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:53:19AM -0500, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: > [root@merrimac linux-2.2.17]# make dep > gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -o scripts/mkdep >scripts/mkdep.c > collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped > make: ***

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Paul Fulghum
> it's heck of alot better if we don't have a user that later > thinks 'Damn, linux developers are meanies'... > > Mohammad A. Haque http://www.haque.net/ When in fact according to this linux-kernel post: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9912.1/0653.html

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Andre Hedrick
Can everyone lay off this guy, he made a mistake and the heat is not cool. This is no way for the general masses to get a taste of Linux, cool? Please jsut let it die or offline the chap. Regards, Andre Hedrick CTO Timpanogas Research Group EVP Linux Development, TRG Linux ATA Development -

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Mohammad A. Haque
To Charles: I see your intentions but you really want to take this up with Redhat and some linux advocacy groups. linux-kernel really doesnt need to deal with things like gcc being broken and such (which I don't think is your case; check your hardware -- my reason? I've deployed RH 6.2 on 20 or

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Igmar Palsenberg
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: These are hardware problems, not software. Programs like gcc and ld segfaulting like this is NOT a software problem. Please don't turn up with some 'hey, it worked with my disk', that's no clue that the distrib is bad. The same arguments as

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Mohammad A. Haque
Same experince here Boxes ran perfectly fine with Windows (95/98/NT) but barfed with linux. RAM replacement fixed it. Now whenever I see a signal 11 with gcc memory is the first thing I go after. On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, John Jasen wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: >

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread John Jasen
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: > (4) For those who think the hardware is broken; The hardware worked > for six months using Windows/2000. It has a NT core. On this note, I recall a time that I 'appropriated' a workstation for linux. It was pulled out of the student

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Mohammad A. Haque
At the risk of being flamed for a distribution type discussion... Security nuts are probably rolling on the floor laughing at you for these two. I can think of some situations where these would be usefull though. On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote: > 3) edit /etc/ftpusers to allow root

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Charles Turner, Ph.D.
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: > > I certainly don't know what to purchase for my > > next attempt at a "shrink-wrap" installation. > > Try Red Hat 7.0 -- it is certainly better. True, no distribution is [SNIPPED...] I

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Tigran Aivazian
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote: > > > Try Red Hat 7.0 -- it is certainly better. True, no distribution is > > perfect but over the years I've developed my own CD image upgrade.iso > > which goes directly after installing latest

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Werner Almesberger
Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: > I can even see obvious bugs in the trace, i.e., : > stat("/usrusr/lib/ldscripts", 0xba7c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Probably only a cosmetic problem. A regular run (RedHat binutils-2.9.5.0.22-6) yields: stat("/usrusr/lib/ldscripts", 0xb5c4) =

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:53:19AM -0500, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: Charles, 6.2 is one of te better distributions. You should also go talk to RedHat directly. Jeff > > I tried to help a friend this weekend convert to Linux. > He lives in Upstate New York, so it was a long trip from >

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote: > Try Red Hat 7.0 -- it is certainly better. True, no distribution is > perfect but over the years I've developed my own CD image upgrade.iso > which goes directly after installing latest Red Hat distribution. It is > full of things like BRS, dict(1),

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
Wrong list, but this needs to be set straight. Please send any further problem reports about Red Hat Linux to http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla > I was terribly wrong. This Red Hat version is irrevocably defective. With the exception that it works for everyone else. > (1) It will not

Whiner spams linux-kernel (Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux)

2000-11-20 Thread Jes Sorensen
> "Charles" == Charles Turner, Ph D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Charles> It had been running Windows 2000 "Professional". Several Charles> months ago, he purchased Red Hat "DELUXE" version 6.2. He was Charles> unable to install it. I convinced him that installation was Charles> easy.

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:53:19AM -0500, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: [snip] > I was terribly wrong. This Red Hat version is irrevocably defective. [snip] > (3) It "sort of" worked. However, network daemons kept > dropping core. X would eventually crash, leaving the > terminal in

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Tigran Aivazian
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: > I certainly don't know what to purchase for my > next attempt at a "shrink-wrap" installation. Try Red Hat 7.0 -- it is certainly better. True, no distribution is perfect but over the years I've developed my own CD image upgrade.iso

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
> Charles Turner, Ph D writes: > I tried to help a friend this weekend convert to Linux. > He lives in Upstate New York, so it was a long trip from > Cambridge, Massachusetts. > I was terribly wrong. This Red Hat version is irrevocably defective. This list is about problems with the

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Mohammad A. Haque
You're complaining on the wrong list. On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: > > I tried to help a friend this weekend convert to Linux. > He lives in Upstate New York, so it was a long trip from > Cambridge, Massachusetts. > > He has a Dual Pentium III, 600 MHz TYAN "Thunderbolt".

Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Charles Turner, Ph.D.
I tried to help a friend this weekend convert to Linux. He lives in Upstate New York, so it was a long trip from Cambridge, Massachusetts. He has a Dual Pentium III, 600 MHz TYAN "Thunderbolt". It has a built-in Adaptec SCSI controller and Intel 100-base-T Ethernet controller. It also has 1/2

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Charles Turner, Ph.D.
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: I certainly don't know what to purchase for my next attempt at a "shrink-wrap" installation. Try Red Hat 7.0 -- it is certainly better. True, no distribution is [SNIPPED...] I just got

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Mohammad A. Haque
At the risk of being flamed for a distribution type discussion... Security nuts are probably rolling on the floor laughing at you for these two. I can think of some situations where these would be usefull though. On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote: 3) edit /etc/ftpusers to allow root

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread John Jasen
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: (4) For those who think the hardware is broken; The hardware worked for six months using Windows/2000. It has a NT core. On this note, I recall a time that I 'appropriated' a workstation for linux. It was pulled out of the student

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Mohammad A. Haque
Same experince here Boxes ran perfectly fine with Windows (95/98/NT) but barfed with linux. RAM replacement fixed it. Now whenever I see a signal 11 with gcc memory is the first thing I go after. On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, John Jasen wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: On

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Igmar Palsenberg
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: snip bullshit story These are hardware problems, not software. Programs like gcc and ld segfaulting like this is NOT a software problem. Please don't turn up with some 'hey, it worked with my disk', that's no clue that the distrib is bad. The

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Mohammad A. Haque
To Charles: I see your intentions but you really want to take this up with Redhat and some linux advocacy groups. linux-kernel really doesnt need to deal with things like gcc being broken and such (which I don't think is your case; check your hardware -- my reason? I've deployed RH 6.2 on 20 or

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Andre Hedrick
Can everyone lay off this guy, he made a mistake and the heat is not cool. This is no way for the general masses to get a taste of Linux, cool? Please jsut let it die or offline the chap. Regards, Andre Hedrick CTO Timpanogas Research Group EVP Linux Development, TRG Linux ATA Development -

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Paul Fulghum
it's heck of alot better if we don't have a user that later thinks 'Damn, linux developers are meanies'... Mohammad A. Haque http://www.haque.net/ When in fact according to this linux-kernel post: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9912.1/0653.html

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Frank van Maarseveen
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:53:19AM -0500, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: [root@merrimac linux-2.2.17]# make dep gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -o scripts/mkdep scripts/mkdep.c collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped make: ***

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Horst von Brand
John Jasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] On this note, I recall a time that I 'appropriated' a workstation for linux. It was pulled out of the student labs, where it had worked for 3 months running NT 4.0, but the RH install kept on crashing out. So what? My former machine ran fine with

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Ben Ford
Tigran Aivazian wrote: snip 3) edit /etc/ftpusers to allow root ftp 4) edit /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/rlogin to comment out securetty PAM module (so we can telnet as root on _any_ tty) Not into security are you? -b - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Ben Ford
Ya, I also had a system that ran many OS's great, including Linux, Win98, Win2k, etc. However when I went to install NT on it, the CPU overheated every time. Ya, I know, doesn't make sense, but that's how it was. -b John Jasen wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: (4)

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread spam
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Paul Fulghum wrote: When in fact according to this linux-kernel post: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9912.1/0653.html they are goats that eat fermented potatoes. Hahaha, gotta love flame wars =) pavel -- Bask in the glow of the digital silence

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Fort David
Ben Ford wrote: Ya, I also had a system that ran many OS's great, including Linux, Win98, Win2k, etc. However when I went to install NT on it, the CPU overheated every time. Ya, I know, doesn't make sense, but that's how it was. -b It makes sense for me as win2000 is always 5°c hotter

Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Charles Turner, Ph.D.
I tried to help a friend this weekend convert to Linux. He lives in Upstate New York, so it was a long trip from Cambridge, Massachusetts. He has a Dual Pentium III, 600 MHz TYAN "Thunderbolt". It has a built-in Adaptec SCSI controller and Intel 100-base-T Ethernet controller. It also has 1/2

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Mohammad A. Haque
You're complaining on the wrong list. On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: I tried to help a friend this weekend convert to Linux. He lives in Upstate New York, so it was a long trip from Cambridge, Massachusetts. He has a Dual Pentium III, 600 MHz TYAN "Thunderbolt". It

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Charles Turner, Ph D writes: I tried to help a friend this weekend convert to Linux. He lives in Upstate New York, so it was a long trip from Cambridge, Massachusetts. I was terribly wrong. This Red Hat version is irrevocably defective. This list is about problems with the Linux

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Tigran Aivazian
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: I certainly don't know what to purchase for my next attempt at a "shrink-wrap" installation. Try Red Hat 7.0 -- it is certainly better. True, no distribution is perfect but over the years I've developed my own CD image upgrade.iso

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:53:19AM -0500, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: [snip] I was terribly wrong. This Red Hat version is irrevocably defective. [snip] (3) It "sort of" worked. However, network daemons kept dropping core. X would eventually crash, leaving the terminal in an

Whiner spams linux-kernel (Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux)

2000-11-20 Thread Jes Sorensen
"Charles" == Charles Turner, Ph D [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles It had been running Windows 2000 "Professional". Several Charles months ago, he purchased Red Hat "DELUXE" version 6.2. He was Charles unable to install it. I convinced him that installation was Charles easy. Charles I was

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
Wrong list, but this needs to be set straight. Please send any further problem reports about Red Hat Linux to http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla I was terribly wrong. This Red Hat version is irrevocably defective. With the exception that it works for everyone else. (1) It will not create

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote: Try Red Hat 7.0 -- it is certainly better. True, no distribution is perfect but over the years I've developed my own CD image upgrade.iso which goes directly after installing latest Red Hat distribution. It is full of things like BRS, dict(1),

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:53:19AM -0500, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: Charles, 6.2 is one of te better distributions. You should also go talk to RedHat directly. Jeff I tried to help a friend this weekend convert to Linux. He lives in Upstate New York, so it was a long trip from

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Werner Almesberger
Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: I can even see obvious bugs in the trace, i.e., : stat("/usrusr/lib/ldscripts", 0xba7c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Probably only a cosmetic problem. A regular run (RedHat binutils-2.9.5.0.22-6) yields: stat("/usrusr/lib/ldscripts", 0xb5c4) =

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Tigran Aivazian
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote: Try Red Hat 7.0 -- it is certainly better. True, no distribution is perfect but over the years I've developed my own CD image upgrade.iso which goes directly after installing latest Red Hat