Re: Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T
Riley Williams wrote: > > Hi Ion. > > >> Shawn, I'd suggest you tell the said sales guy that IF he can > >> get you the FULL specs TOGETHER WITH permission to freely > >> distribute them... > > > Permission to freely distribute the specs isn't necessary, > > although it is nice indeed. All that's needed is permission to > > GPL the driver sources written using knowledge from said specs. > > That presupposes that the person they give the specs to is the person > writing the driver. I don't remember shawn offering to write a driver > or anything approaching that. > > As I see it, if Shawn has permission to freely distribute the specs, > he can send a copy to Alan Cox for forwarding to the relevant driver > developers. However, if he has to sign an NDA to get them, they're > useless... > > Alan: Am I right in assuming this? If you can find specs, I have tested cards and help write a driver... Jeff -- Jeff Garzik | Andre the Giant has a posse. Building 1024| MandrakeSoft | - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T
Riley Williams wrote: Hi Ion. Shawn, I'd suggest you tell the said sales guy that IF he can get you the FULL specs TOGETHER WITH permission to freely distribute them... Permission to freely distribute the specs isn't necessary, although it is nice indeed. All that's needed is permission to GPL the driver sources written using knowledge from said specs. That presupposes that the person they give the specs to is the person writing the driver. I don't remember shawn offering to write a driver or anything approaching that. As I see it, if Shawn has permission to freely distribute the specs, he can send a copy to Alan Cox for forwarding to the relevant driver developers. However, if he has to sign an NDA to get them, they're useless... Alan: Am I right in assuming this? If you can find specs, I have tested cards and help write a driver... Jeff -- Jeff Garzik | Andre the Giant has a posse. Building 1024| MandrakeSoft | - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Ralf Baechle wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:25:22AM -0700, Ion Badulescu wrote: > > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:25:22 -0700 > > From: Ion Badulescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Riley Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: Shawn Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T > > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:20:58 +0100 (BST), Riley Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Shawn, I'd suggest you tell the said sales guy that IF he can get you > > > the FULL specs TOGETHER WITH permission to freely distribute them, AND > > > > Permission to freely distribute the specs isn't necessary, although it > > is nice indeed. All that's needed is permission to GPL the driver sources > > written using knowledge from said specs. > > Which would still be a problem. You then have a GPL'ed driver which still > cannot be sanely modified in the way the GPL would like to guarantee. That isn't a problem - the GPL doesn't attempt to guarantee users the INFORMATION needed to make sane changes, just that they have the facility to do so. Just as the kernel doesn't come with a copy of the POSIX specs, the RFCs, etc. - some of the standards the kernel implements aren't available publicly, but that doesn't stop the kernel being freely modifiable! James. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Ralf Baechle wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:25:22AM -0700, Ion Badulescu wrote: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:25:22 -0700 From: Ion Badulescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Riley Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Shawn Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:20:58 +0100 (BST), Riley Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn, I'd suggest you tell the said sales guy that IF he can get you the FULL specs TOGETHER WITH permission to freely distribute them, AND Permission to freely distribute the specs isn't necessary, although it is nice indeed. All that's needed is permission to GPL the driver sources written using knowledge from said specs. Which would still be a problem. You then have a GPL'ed driver which still cannot be sanely modified in the way the GPL would like to guarantee. That isn't a problem - the GPL doesn't attempt to guarantee users the INFORMATION needed to make sane changes, just that they have the facility to do so. Just as the kernel doesn't come with a copy of the POSIX specs, the RFCs, etc. - some of the standards the kernel implements aren't available publicly, but that doesn't stop the kernel being freely modifiable! James. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T
We're testing the cards to see how much traffic they can handle (on Linux & OpenBSD) So, if we do get the specs (and if without any NDAs) I would be happy to pass them on to the Linux community. I'm not a kernel developer, just a bug finder when I see things. Shawn. On 11 Jun 2001 15:59:38 -0700, Ken Brownfield wrote: > We did some brief testing with this card a couple of months ago. The > original drivers were pretty flaky but the recent drivers seem fine. I > haven't done extremely heavy traffic or testing (no longer have the > switch and multiple machines) but I've been compiling and loading the > module for a while now with 2.4.x. > > FWIW, > -- > Ken. > > On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 03:42 PM, Shawn Starr wrote: > > > > > How good is the linux kernel driver for the Intel gigabit Ethernet > > NIC (copper) with the TL82543GC chipset? The card says it's > > a "PRO/1000T" server adapter, and it looks like the part > > number A19845-003. > > > > The sales guy who is promoting it says this is apparently a new > > card and he claims he can get specs from engineering. > > Not sure about NDA status. > > > > So my question is... is it worth calling this guy's bluff? > > > > Shawn. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" > > in > > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T
How good is the linux kernel driver for the Intel gigabit Ethernet NIC (copper) with the TL82543GC chipset? The card says it's a "PRO/1000T" server adapter, and it looks like the part number A19845-003. The sales guy who is promoting it says this is apparently a new card and he claims he can get specs from engineering. Not sure about NDA status. So my question is... is it worth calling this guy's bluff? Shawn. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T
How good is the linux kernel driver for the Intel gigabit Ethernet NIC (copper) with the TL82543GC chipset? The card says it's a PRO/1000T server adapter, and it looks like the part number A19845-003. The sales guy who is promoting it says this is apparently a new card and he claims he can get specs from engineering. Not sure about NDA status. So my question is... is it worth calling this guy's bluff? Shawn. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Gigabit Intel NIC? - Intel Gigabit Ethernet Pro/1000T
We're testing the cards to see how much traffic they can handle (on Linux OpenBSD) So, if we do get the specs (and if without any NDAs) I would be happy to pass them on to the Linux community. I'm not a kernel developer, just a bug finder when I see things. Shawn. On 11 Jun 2001 15:59:38 -0700, Ken Brownfield wrote: We did some brief testing with this card a couple of months ago. The original drivers were pretty flaky but the recent drivers seem fine. I haven't done extremely heavy traffic or testing (no longer have the switch and multiple machines) but I've been compiling and loading the module for a while now with 2.4.x. FWIW, -- Ken. On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 03:42 PM, Shawn Starr wrote: How good is the linux kernel driver for the Intel gigabit Ethernet NIC (copper) with the TL82543GC chipset? The card says it's a PRO/1000T server adapter, and it looks like the part number A19845-003. The sales guy who is promoting it says this is apparently a new card and he claims he can get specs from engineering. Not sure about NDA status. So my question is... is it worth calling this guy's bluff? Shawn. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
