Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
Hi, this is Harald from gpl-violations.org. Given my involvement with projects like OpenEZX and OpenMoko, I was obviosuly very interested in investigating this issue. CIJOML wrote: Hi there, it looks like there is running linux somewhere inside in the radio part of the firmware... http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-326419.html $ strings kaiser_radio_0x301.nb |grep -i linux M6500C L4/Linux L4 Linux NICTNICTA::Pistachio - built on Jan 23 2007 18:10:22 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] using gcc version 3.4.1 start_linux_cmd vmlinux != NULL vmlinux vmlinux igms_name=ramdisk root=/dev/igms0 start_linux Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source codes? I have confirmed that the abovementioned strings are present in the radio firmware of the device. However, after a detailed analysis (spent the better part of yesterday looking at the various L4 sources and the firmware binary) it seems evident that the strings are part of the linux loader, i.e. the part of L4 that can execute a specially-modified linux kernel (called wombat). The lua startup script of the radio firmware does not execute the start_linux function but rather only the start_server function to start a number of proprietary servers on top of the microkernel. So at least up to this level of analysis, I cannot find any reason to believe there is Linux in the radio firmware. However, this obviously is also no hard proof. If anyone still has reason to believe Linux is used in the radio firmware of the Qualcomm MSM7200 chipset, please let me know. I'm happy to investigate in case new evidence comes up. As a side note, it would be the most stupid thing to do for a GSM chipset vendor. In all existing smartphone chipsets you have two CPU cores (an ARM9 for baseband and ARM11 for the UI/apps in the MSM7200) to avoid any licensing and regulatory issues arising from running the GSM stack in the more-or-less open OS on the application side (Windows Mobile, Linux, ...) Cheers, - Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://gnumonks.org/ We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. -- Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
Hi, this is Harald from gpl-violations.org. Given my involvement with projects like OpenEZX and OpenMoko, I was obviosuly very interested in investigating this issue. CIJOML wrote: Hi there, it looks like there is running linux somewhere inside in the radio part of the firmware... http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-326419.html $ strings kaiser_radio_0x301.nb |grep -i linux M6500C L4/Linux L4 Linux NICTNICTA::Pistachio - built on Jan 23 2007 18:10:22 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] using gcc version 3.4.1 start_linux_cmd vmlinux != NULL vmlinux vmlinux igms_name=ramdisk root=/dev/igms0 start_linux Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source codes? I have confirmed that the abovementioned strings are present in the radio firmware of the device. However, after a detailed analysis (spent the better part of yesterday looking at the various L4 sources and the firmware binary) it seems evident that the strings are part of the linux loader, i.e. the part of L4 that can execute a specially-modified linux kernel (called wombat). The lua startup script of the radio firmware does not execute the start_linux function but rather only the start_server function to start a number of proprietary servers on top of the microkernel. So at least up to this level of analysis, I cannot find any reason to believe there is Linux in the radio firmware. However, this obviously is also no hard proof. If anyone still has reason to believe Linux is used in the radio firmware of the Qualcomm MSM7200 chipset, please let me know. I'm happy to investigate in case new evidence comes up. As a side note, it would be the most stupid thing to do for a GSM chipset vendor. In all existing smartphone chipsets you have two CPU cores (an ARM9 for baseband and ARM11 for the UI/apps in the MSM7200) to avoid any licensing and regulatory issues arising from running the GSM stack in the more-or-less open OS on the application side (Windows Mobile, Linux, ...) Cheers, - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnumonks.org/ We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. -- Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
On Dec 11, 2007 11:02 AM, Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did phone packaging contain sources or written offer for them? If not, > > they are probably still violating GPL. gpl-violations.org, I'd say. > > Hi Michal/Pavel > > Both of you are right. Qualcomm is not offering source codes for the drivers > (at > least, there is no way to find the drivers on their site, and they > are probably not > asking for MSM based devices to advertise *drivers available* or such), nor > the > iguana source code contains the drivers. Licenses are needless until violated. > > Mauad If the drivers are on the L4 side, they would have no obligation to provide them. That's one of the reasons device manufacturers look at virtualized/micro-kernel architectures. Of course, if the device has Linux in it, they would still need to provide the sources for that, either in the product or via a written offer. scott -- scott preece -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
> Did phone packaging contain sources or written offer for them? If not, > they are probably still violating GPL. gpl-violations.org, I'd say. Hi Michal/Pavel Both of you are right. Qualcomm is not offering source codes for the drivers (at least, there is no way to find the drivers on their site, and they are probably not asking for MSM based devices to advertise *drivers available* or such), nor the iguana source code contains the drivers. Licenses are needless until violated. Mauad -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
Did phone packaging contain sources or written offer for them? If not, they are probably still violating GPL. gpl-violations.org, I'd say. Hi Michal/Pavel Both of you are right. Qualcomm is not offering source codes for the drivers (at least, there is no way to find the drivers on their site, and they are probably not asking for MSM based devices to advertise *drivers available* or such), nor the iguana source code contains the drivers. Licenses are needless until violated. Mauad -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
On Dec 11, 2007 11:02 AM, Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did phone packaging contain sources or written offer for them? If not, they are probably still violating GPL. gpl-violations.org, I'd say. Hi Michal/Pavel Both of you are right. Qualcomm is not offering source codes for the drivers (at least, there is no way to find the drivers on their site, and they are probably not asking for MSM based devices to advertise *drivers available* or such), nor the iguana source code contains the drivers. Licenses are needless until violated. Mauad If the drivers are on the L4 side, they would have no obligation to provide them. That's one of the reasons device manufacturers look at virtualized/micro-kernel architectures. Of course, if the device has Linux in it, they would still need to provide the sources for that, either in the product or via a written offer. scott -- scott preece -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
On Fri 2007-12-07 22:40:50, Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho wrote: > 2007/12/7, CIJOML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi there, > > ... > > Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source codes? > > > > It seems that the sources are there: > > http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/software/ Did phone packaging contain sources or written offer for them? If not, they are probably still violating GPL. gpl-violations.org, I'd say. -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
On Fri 2007-12-07 22:40:50, Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho wrote: 2007/12/7, CIJOML [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi there, ... Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source codes? It seems that the sources are there: http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/software/ Did phone packaging contain sources or written offer for them? If not, they are probably still violating GPL. gpl-violations.org, I'd say. -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
Dne so 8. prosince 2007 Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho napsal(a): > 2007/12/7, CIJOML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi there, > > ... > > Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source > > codes? > > It seems that the sources are there: > > http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/software/ > > > Mauad Hi Mauad, I haven't checked that, but this is only paravirtualized solution. I am interrested about drivers for MSM chipset which this linux controls and these sources probably doesn't include it. Michal -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
Dne so 8. prosince 2007 Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho napsal(a): 2007/12/7, CIJOML [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi there, ... Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source codes? It seems that the sources are there: http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/software/ Mauad Hi Mauad, I haven't checked that, but this is only paravirtualized solution. I am interrested about drivers for MSM chipset which this linux controls and these sources probably doesn't include it. Michal -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
2007/12/7, CIJOML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi there, > ... > Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source codes? > It seems that the sources are there: http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/software/ Mauad -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
Hi there, it looks like there is running linux somewhere inside in the radio part of the firmware... http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-326419.html $ strings kaiser_radio_0x301.nb |grep -i linux M6500C L4/Linux L4 Linux NICTNICTA::Pistachio - built on Jan 23 2007 18:10:22 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] using gcc version 3.4.1 start_linux_cmd vmlinux != NULL vmlinux vmlinux igms_name=ramdisk root=/dev/igms0 start_linux Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source codes? Thanks a lot! Michal -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
2007/12/7, CIJOML [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi there, ... Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source codes? It seems that the sources are there: http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/software/ Mauad -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
HTC TyTN || (P4550) violates GPL?? Or maybe Qualcomm itself with MSM7200???
Hi there, it looks like there is running linux somewhere inside in the radio part of the firmware... http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-326419.html $ strings kaiser_radio_0x301.nb |grep -i linux M6500C L4/Linux L4 Linux NICTNICTA::Pistachio - built on Jan 23 2007 18:10:22 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] using gcc version 3.4.1 start_linux_cmd vmlinux != NULL vmlinux vmlinux igms_name=ramdisk root=/dev/igms0 start_linux Can anybody else confirm this and contact those companies for source codes? Thanks a lot! Michal -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
