Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
David Lang wrote: On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Al Boldi wrote: My preferred sphere of operation is the Manichean domain of faster vs. slower, functionality vs. non-functionality, and the like. For me, such design concerns are like the need for a kernel to format pagetables so the x86 MMU decodes what

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
David Lang wrote: On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Al Boldi wrote: My preferred sphere of operation is the Manichean domain of faster vs. slower, functionality vs. non-functionality, and the like. For me, such design concerns are like the need for a kernel to format pagetables so the x86 MMU decodes what

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-10 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> Last I checked there were limits to runtime configurability centering >> around only supporting a compiled-in set of scheduling drivers, unless >> Peter's taken it the rest of the way without my noticing. It's unclear >> what you have in mind in terms of dynamic

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-10 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: > William Lee Irwin III wrote: > >> A useful exercise may also be enumerating > >> your expectations and having those who actually work with the code > >> describe how well those are actually met. > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 08:34:25AM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: > > A

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-10 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: William Lee Irwin III wrote: A useful exercise may also be enumerating your expectations and having those who actually work with the code describe how well those are actually met. On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 08:34:25AM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: A runtime

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-10 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: Last I checked there were limits to runtime configurability centering around only supporting a compiled-in set of scheduling drivers, unless Peter's taken it the rest of the way without my noticing. It's unclear what you have in mind in terms of dynamic

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: This sort of concern is too subjective for me to have an opinion on it. On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: >>> How diplomatic. William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> Impoliteness doesn't accomplish anything I want to do. On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: > William Lee Irwin III wrote: > >> This sort of concern is too subjective for me to have an opinion on it. > > On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: > > How diplomatic. > > Impoliteness doesn't accomplish anything I want to do. Fair enough. But

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 05:18:31PM -0500, Ryan Hope wrote: > from what I understood, there is a performance loss in plugsched > schedulers because they have to share code > even if pluggable schedulers is not a viable option, being able to > choose which one was built into the kernel would be

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Al Boldi wrote: My preferred sphere of operation is the Manichean domain of faster vs. slower, functionality vs. non-functionality, and the like. For me, such design concerns are like the need for a kernel to format pagetables so the x86 MMU decodes what was intended, or

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> The short translation of my message for you is "Linus, please don't >> LART me too hard." On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: > Right. Given where the code originally came from, I've got bullets to dodge. William Lee Irwin III wrote: >>

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Ryan Hope
from what I understood, there is a performance loss in plugsched schedulers because they have to share code even if pluggable schedulers is not a viable option, being able to choose which one was built into the kernel would be easy (only takes a few ifdefs), i too think competition would be

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: > William Lee Irwin III wrote: > >> I consider policy issues to be hopeless political quagmires and > >> therefore stick to mechanism. So even though I may have started the > >> code in question, I have little or nothing to say about that sort of > >> use for it. > >>

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> I consider policy issues to be hopeless political quagmires and >> therefore stick to mechanism. So even though I may have started the >> code in question, I have little or nothing to say about that sort of >> use for it. >> There's my longwinded excuse for having

Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: > On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > No. Really. > > I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers. They have a huge downside: > > they allow people to think that it's ok to make special-case schedulers. > > And I simply very fundamentally

Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: No. Really. I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers. They have a huge downside: they allow people to think that it's ok to make special-case schedulers. And I simply very fundamentally

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: I consider policy issues to be hopeless political quagmires and therefore stick to mechanism. So even though I may have started the code in question, I have little or nothing to say about that sort of use for it. There's my longwinded excuse for having originated

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: William Lee Irwin III wrote: I consider policy issues to be hopeless political quagmires and therefore stick to mechanism. So even though I may have started the code in question, I have little or nothing to say about that sort of use for it. There's my

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Ryan Hope
from what I understood, there is a performance loss in plugsched schedulers because they have to share code even if pluggable schedulers is not a viable option, being able to choose which one was built into the kernel would be easy (only takes a few ifdefs), i too think competition would be

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: The short translation of my message for you is Linus, please don't LART me too hard. On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: Right. Given where the code originally came from, I've got bullets to dodge. William Lee Irwin III wrote: This sort of

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Al Boldi wrote: My preferred sphere of operation is the Manichean domain of faster vs. slower, functionality vs. non-functionality, and the like. For me, such design concerns are like the need for a kernel to format pagetables so the x86 MMU decodes what was intended, or

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 05:18:31PM -0500, Ryan Hope wrote: from what I understood, there is a performance loss in plugsched schedulers because they have to share code even if pluggable schedulers is not a viable option, being able to choose which one was built into the kernel would be easy

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: William Lee Irwin III wrote: This sort of concern is too subjective for me to have an opinion on it. On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: How diplomatic. Impoliteness doesn't accomplish anything I want to do. Fair enough. But being

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: This sort of concern is too subjective for me to have an opinion on it. On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: How diplomatic. William Lee Irwin III wrote: Impoliteness doesn't accomplish anything I want to do. On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at