Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Alan Cox
> Although I haven't been involved for over 8 years, it us unlikely that > the word "SCSI" has been given up as some generic aspirin. SCSI still > means the stuff specified in the 519 Page document copyrighted by > ANSI, called "SMALL COMPUTER SYSTEM INTERFACE - 2", Dated May 20, 1991, > and the

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Richard B. Johnson
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Russell King wrote: > > Seriously though, you can't depreciate a term for referring to a type of > > bus without providing some other term to describe said bus. > > You need to distinguish between SCSI-the-protocol and >

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Dan Hollis
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Russell King wrote: > Seriously though, you can't depreciate a term for referring to a type of > bus without providing some other term to describe said bus. You need to distinguish between SCSI-the-protocol and SCSI-the-physical-layer. The term "SCSI" alone is simply too

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Russell King
Dan Hollis writes: > On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Russell King wrote: > > I don't believe that is what it's trying to say. There have been instances > > in the past where unplugging a SCSI device from a powered on SCSI bus can > > result in blown terminator power fuses and the like. Whether this still >

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Dan Hollis
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Russell King wrote: > > so my take is unless you explicitly use hotplug devices (I wasn't), that > > it is much safer to unload the driver, unattach/attach scsi devices, and > > then reload the driver (which will scan the scsi bus for devices), which > > you need modules for.

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Russell King
Michael Meissner writes: > Quoting from drivers/scsi/scsi.c: > > /* >* Usage: echo "scsi add-single-device 0 1 2 3" >/proc/scsi/scsi >* with "0 1 2 3" replaced by your "Host Channel Id Lun". >* Consider this feature BETA. >* CAUTION: This is not for

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Michael Meissner
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:26:01PM +0100, Ookhoi wrote: > >3) Having drivers as modules means that you can remove them and > >reload them. When I was working in an office, I had one scsi > >controller that was a different brand (Adaptec) than the main scsi > >controller

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Ookhoi
Hi Michael, > On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 10:50:20PM -0600, Evan Thompson wrote: > > I'd like to know (I know, I'm being slightly off topic, while still > > staying on topic, so I'm on topic...er...yes) if there is any > > advantage, be it memory-wise or architectuarally wise, to use > > modules? >

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Michael Meissner
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 10:50:20PM -0600, Evan Thompson wrote: > I'd like to know (I know, I'm being slightly off topic, while still > staying on topic, so I'm on topic...er...yes) if there is any > advantage, be it memory-wise or architectuarally wise, to use modules? > > I already know the

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Michael Meissner
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 11:02:15AM +0100, J . A . Magallon wrote: > > On 2001.01.06 Drew Bertola wrote: > > My best reasons are... > > > > Development: You don't have to recompile the kernel a billion times > > while working on a driver, you just recompile the module. Also, you > > can debug,

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Michael Meissner
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 10:50:20PM -0600, Evan Thompson wrote: I'd like to know (I know, I'm being slightly off topic, while still staying on topic, so I'm on topic...er...yes) if there is any advantage, be it memory-wise or architectuarally wise, to use modules? I already know the obvious

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Michael Meissner
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 11:02:15AM +0100, J . A . Magallon wrote: On 2001.01.06 Drew Bertola wrote: My best reasons are... Development: You don't have to recompile the kernel a billion times while working on a driver, you just recompile the module. Also, you can debug, unload, fix,

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Ookhoi
Hi Michael, On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 10:50:20PM -0600, Evan Thompson wrote: I'd like to know (I know, I'm being slightly off topic, while still staying on topic, so I'm on topic...er...yes) if there is any advantage, be it memory-wise or architectuarally wise, to use modules? I

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Michael Meissner
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:26:01PM +0100, Ookhoi wrote: 3) Having drivers as modules means that you can remove them and reload them. When I was working in an office, I had one scsi controller that was a different brand (Adaptec) than the main scsi controller (TekRam),

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Russell King
Michael Meissner writes: Quoting from drivers/scsi/scsi.c: /* * Usage: echo "scsi add-single-device 0 1 2 3" /proc/scsi/scsi * with "0 1 2 3" replaced by your "Host Channel Id Lun". * Consider this feature BETA. * CAUTION: This is not for hotplugging

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Dan Hollis
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Russell King wrote: so my take is unless you explicitly use hotplug devices (I wasn't), that it is much safer to unload the driver, unattach/attach scsi devices, and then reload the driver (which will scan the scsi bus for devices), which you need modules for. I don't

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Russell King
Dan Hollis writes: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Russell King wrote: I don't believe that is what it's trying to say. There have been instances in the past where unplugging a SCSI device from a powered on SCSI bus can result in blown terminator power fuses and the like. Whether this still

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Dan Hollis
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Russell King wrote: Seriously though, you can't depreciate a term for referring to a type of bus without providing some other term to describe said bus. You need to distinguish between SCSI-the-protocol and SCSI-the-physical-layer. The term "SCSI" alone is simply too

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Richard B. Johnson
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Dan Hollis wrote: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Russell King wrote: Seriously though, you can't depreciate a term for referring to a type of bus without providing some other term to describe said bus. You need to distinguish between SCSI-the-protocol and

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-08 Thread Alan Cox
Although I haven't been involved for over 8 years, it us unlikely that the word "SCSI" has been given up as some generic aspirin. SCSI still means the stuff specified in the 519 Page document copyrighted by ANSI, called "SMALL COMPUTER SYSTEM INTERFACE - 2", Dated May 20, 1991, and the first

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-06 Thread J . A . Magallon
On 2001.01.06 Drew Bertola wrote: > My best reasons are... > > Development: You don't have to recompile the kernel a billion times > while working on a driver, you just recompile the module. Also, you > can debug, unload, fix, recompile, reload a module to add or fix > pieces of it all

Re: The advantage of modules?

2001-01-05 Thread Drew Bertola
My best reasons are... Development: You don't have to recompile the kernel a billion times while working on a driver, you just recompile the module. Also, you can debug, unload, fix, recompile, reload a module to add or fix pieces of it all (hopefully) without rebooting. Practical usage: When

The advantage of modules?

2001-01-05 Thread Evan Thompson
I'd like to know (I know, I'm being slightly off topic, while still staying on topic, so I'm on topic...er...yes) if there is any advantage, be it memory-wise or architectuarally wise, to use modules? I already know the obvious points of if you are creating a distro that it is usually good to

The advantage of modules?

2001-01-05 Thread Evan Thompson
I'd like to know (I know, I'm being slightly off topic, while still staying on topic, so I'm on topic...er...yes) if there is any advantage, be it memory-wise or architectuarally wise, to use modules? I already know the obvious points of if you are creating a distro that it is usually good to