Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Hi Marc Before everyone gets pissed off and freaks out why don't you ponder the question why rm won't delete all the files in the directory. If you can't grasp that then you're brain damaged. Think big people. Say NO to vi! At first I thought you've got a point here: you definitely _do_ suffer from brain damage. Then again, I know too many people without brain damage that are using vi, so it must me something else. Maybe a car accindent, or your mother drinking a bottle of vodka per day in your pregnancy? Regards Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Hi Marc Before everyone gets pissed off and freaks out why don't you ponder the question why rm won't delete all the files in the directory. If you can't grasp that then you're brain damaged. Think big people. Say NO to vi! At first I thought you've got a point here: you definitely _do_ suffer from brain damage. Then again, I know too many people without brain damage that are using vi, so it must me something else. Maybe a car accindent, or your mother drinking a bottle of vodka per day in your pregnancy? Regards Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Michael Tharp wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't committed to getting it right. I wonder, do these sorts of people email random celebrities and tell them they suck? If not, why do they think emailing a developer mailing list about how much they hate their product, work ethics, and general way of life is more socially acceptable? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Marc Perkel wrote: > The important point that you are missing here is that > the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command > that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. > This isn't about the rm command it's about programming > standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't > committed to getting it right. Thanks man, you've made my day. I haven't laughed this hard at a mildly technical discussion in weeks. > Just like my thinking outside the box thread when I > try to say "this is broken" people don't go fix it. > Instead I get an explanation why Linux isn't capable > of having an rm command that will delete an unlimited > number of files. Calling something that bas been working for decades broken, and offering a vague idea that is not only riddled with usability issues but also unimplementable in an even remotely efficient manner, and yet expecting people to jump into action and write it for you while deprecating an enormous amount of existing code, is something best described as surreal. Disregarding peer review and calling it an "attack" is just icing on the cake. > I bet there are Microsoft people out there laughing at > this. Probably at you. > THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE !!! > > 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of > users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a > problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a > cult. All hail Linus the great. -- m. tharp - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:20:34 PDT, Marc Perkel said: > Let me give you and example of the difference between > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > what it's like out here in the real world. > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: > > rm * > > What do you get? > > /bin/rm: Argument list too long Given that you don't even understand that this message is issued by the *shell* and not /bin/rm, and *why* it issues that sort of error message when an argument string expands to be bigger than MAX_ARGV, and the fact that there are extant patches to increase that to essentially any reasonable size, why should we listen to you when you proclaim that you have any sort of enlightenment about systems design? pgp0YD9j1hMWY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 06:22 -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > The important point that you are missing here is that > the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command > that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. no the important point is that you're an absolute horrible troll and are posting things to the ENTIRELY WRONG MAILING LIST. For some people who are new that happens sometimes as accident. You know better. So please take this elsewhere and try to have better judgement in the future as to what mailinglist you want to send your complaints to. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- Paolo Ornati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) > Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions > of > > users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has > a > > problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux > is a > > cult. > > > Fixed in 2.6.23-rc (and not just for "rm"): > > commit b6a2fea39318e43fee84fa7b0b90d68bed92d2ba > Author: Ollie Wild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu Jul 19 01:48:16 2007 -0700 > > mm: variable length argument support > > Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by > copying the strings > directly from the old mm into the new mm. > [...] > > -- > Paolo Ornati > Linux 2.6.23-rc3-g2a677896-dirty on x86_64 > Good man! Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail=graduation+gifts=bz - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of > users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a > problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a > cult. Fixed in 2.6.23-rc (and not just for "rm"): commit b6a2fea39318e43fee84fa7b0b90d68bed92d2ba Author: Ollie Wild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu Jul 19 01:48:16 2007 -0700 mm: variable length argument support Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings directly from the old mm into the new mm. [...] -- Paolo Ornati Linux 2.6.23-rc3-g2a677896-dirty on x86_64 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: variable length argument support (was: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage)
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings > >directly from the old mm into the new mm. > > Me wonders. Will that make the "checking for maximum length of command line > arguments" from autotools run forever since execve() will not fail anymore? Since I'm running Gentoo and do many compiles I can tell that it works :) If I remeber correctly it was discussed on LKML and turend out that that check is done starting with a "max" len and going down rather than starting low and going up. -- Paolo Ornati Linux 2.6.23-rc3-g2a677896-dirty on x86_64 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Words by Marc Perkel [Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:22:37AM -0700]: > > --- Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby > > wrote: > > > Marc Perkel napsal(a): > > > > Let me give you and example of the difference > > between > > > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking > > and > > > > what it's like out here in the real world. > > > > > > > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: > > > > > > > > rm * > > > > > > > > What do you get? > > > > > > > > /bin/rm: Argument list too long > > > > > > What does this have to do with rm command? > > > > Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc > > confuses shell and rm. > > Under DOS, when he types "del *", the shell calls > > the builtin function > > "del" and passes it only one argument "*". The del > > function is then > > responsible for iterating through the files using > > getfirst/getnext. > > > > This is also why mostly only builtin shell commands > > support "*", while > > most external commands do not support it, since they > > have to re-implement > > the same code to iterate through the files (try > > "debug c*.com", it will > > not work). > > > > Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the > > 1 file names to > > the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because > > 1 names in arguments > > can require too much memory. That's why find and > > xargs were invented! > > > > The solution is easy : find . -maxdepth 1 | xargs rm > > > > So this has nothing to do with rm, nor with rm being > > open-source, and > > even less with rm being written with vi, and Marc's > > rant is totally > > wrong and off-topic. Maybe he was drunk when > > posting, or maybe someone > > used his keyboard to make him look like a complete > > fool. Or maybe he > > really is. > > > > Willy > > (please do not follow up on this OT thread, > > responses to /dev/null) > > > > The important point that you are missing here is that > the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command > that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. > This isn't about the rm command it's about programming > standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't > committed to getting it right. > Yuhu! The rm command isn't broken (nothing is broken related to this). Have you been reading? Can you even (read)? Fscking troll. -- Jose Celestino http://www.msversus.org/ ; http://techp.org/petition/show/1 http://www.vinc17.org/noswpat.en.html "And on the trillionth day, Man created Gods." -- Thomas D. Pate - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Willy Tarreau wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: > > What does this have to do with rm command? > Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc confuses shell and rm. > (please do not follow up on this OT thread, responses to /dev/null) Then do not answer in the first place. Do not answer at all. There's tons of good literature that explains this. Don't feed the troll. Torsten - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:22:37AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > The important point that you are missing here is that > the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command > that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. The important point you are missing is that it is not the rm command which is broken. Either it's *all* commands or it's *your* way of thinking how they should work. I could play your game and say the "type" command is broken under DOS. Why can't I do "type *" under DOS while I can do "cat *" under linux ? For the exact same reason : the "*" is not processed at the same place. Unix initially chose to process it in the caller, and DOS later chose to process it in the callee. Neither is right, neither is wrong, those are just two different approaches which may be justified in their context. Having discovered DOS at 1.25 which did not even support directories, I certainly can say that missing globbing was not a problem at this time! > This isn't about the rm command it's about programming > standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't > committed to getting it right. It has nothing to do with programming standards, the rm command works exactly like all others. Touch does the same, mv does the same, etc... Educate yourself before stating idiocies like this ! > Just like my thinking outside the box thread when I > try to say "this is broken" people don't go fix it. > Instead I get an explanation why Linux isn't capable > of having an rm command that will delete an unlimited > number of files. $ rm -rf $DIR will remove an unlimited number of files in this directory. If you want to make a special case of "rm", then implement the special case in the command and make it possible to pass it a globbing expression just like you can do with find. But this will be useless. > I bet there are Microsoft people out there laughing at > this. Oh yes, they are surely laughing at you, but at the same time they may feel sad to be defended by people puting such stupid statements in public. > THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE !!! > > 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of > users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a > problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a > cult. Yes, I really think you're the only one who has this problem. Don't you think that among those tens of millions of users, none of them has ever had to remove a directory full of files in 20 years ? Please stop taking yourself for the center of the world and buy a "unix for newbies" book instead of complaining the world is not like you would like it to be. Willy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby > wrote: > > Marc Perkel napsal(a): > > > Let me give you and example of the difference > between > > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking > and > > > what it's like out here in the real world. > > > > > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: > > > > > > rm * > > > > > > What do you get? > > > > > > /bin/rm: Argument list too long > > > > What does this have to do with rm command? > > Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc > confuses shell and rm. > Under DOS, when he types "del *", the shell calls > the builtin function > "del" and passes it only one argument "*". The del > function is then > responsible for iterating through the files using > getfirst/getnext. > > This is also why mostly only builtin shell commands > support "*", while > most external commands do not support it, since they > have to re-implement > the same code to iterate through the files (try > "debug c*.com", it will > not work). > > Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the > 1 file names to > the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because > 1 names in arguments > can require too much memory. That's why find and > xargs were invented! > > The solution is easy : find . -maxdepth 1 | xargs rm > > So this has nothing to do with rm, nor with rm being > open-source, and > even less with rm being written with vi, and Marc's > rant is totally > wrong and off-topic. Maybe he was drunk when > posting, or maybe someone > used his keyboard to make him look like a complete > fool. Or maybe he > really is. > > Willy > (please do not follow up on this OT thread, > responses to /dev/null) > The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't committed to getting it right. Just like my thinking outside the box thread when I try to say "this is broken" people don't go fix it. Instead I get an explanation why Linux isn't capable of having an rm command that will delete an unlimited number of files. I bet there are Microsoft people out there laughing at this. THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE !!! 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a cult. Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- Jiri Slaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marc Perkel napsal(a): > > Let me give you and example of the difference > between > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > > what it's like out here in the real world. > > > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: > > > > rm * > > > > What do you get? > > > > /bin/rm: Argument list too long > > What does this have to do with rm command? > See what I mean? Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: variable length argument support (was: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage)
On Aug 19 2007 14:39, Paolo Ornati wrote: >> WT> Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the 1 file names >> WT> to the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in >> WT> arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs >> WT> were invented! >> >> It would be very handy if the argument memory space was expanded. >> Many years ago I hit the limit regularly on Solaris, and going to >> Linux with its comparatively large limit was a joy. Now it happens to >> me quite often on Linux as well. >> > >done :) > >commit b6a2fea39318e43fee84fa7b0b90d68bed92d2ba >Author: Ollie Wild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thu Jul 19 01:48:16 2007 -0700 > >mm: variable length argument support > >Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings >directly from the old mm into the new mm. Me wonders. Will that make the "checking for maximum length of command line arguments" from autotools run forever since execve() will not fail anymore? Jan -- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sunday 19 August 2007, Marc Perkel wrote: > > > > Let me give you and example of > > > > > brain damaged thinking > > > > > out here in the real world. > > > I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was > > fantastic. > > Sounds like it hasn't worn off yet. Afreed. Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:31:21 +0200 Benny Amorsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "WT" == Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > WT> Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the 1 file names > WT> to the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in > WT> arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs > WT> were invented! > > It would be very handy if the argument memory space was expanded. > Many years ago I hit the limit regularly on Solaris, and going to > Linux with its comparatively large limit was a joy. Now it happens to > me quite often on Linux as well. > done :) commit b6a2fea39318e43fee84fa7b0b90d68bed92d2ba Author: Ollie Wild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu Jul 19 01:48:16 2007 -0700 mm: variable length argument support Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings directly from the old mm into the new mm. -- Paolo Ornati Linux 2.6.23-rc3-g2a677896 on x86_64 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
> "WT" == Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: WT> Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the 1 file names WT> to the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in WT> arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs WT> were invented! It would be very handy if the argument memory space was expanded. Many years ago I hit the limit regularly on Solaris, and going to Linux with its comparatively large limit was a joy. Now it happens to me quite often on Linux as well. What are the primary problems with expanding it? It used to be swappable memory, is that still the case? /Benny - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
[OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: > Marc Perkel napsal(a): > > Let me give you and example of the difference between > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > > what it's like out here in the real world. > > > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: > > > > rm * > > > > What do you get? > > > > /bin/rm: Argument list too long > > What does this have to do with rm command? Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc confuses shell and rm. Under DOS, when he types "del *", the shell calls the builtin function "del" and passes it only one argument "*". The del function is then responsible for iterating through the files using getfirst/getnext. This is also why mostly only builtin shell commands support "*", while most external commands do not support it, since they have to re-implement the same code to iterate through the files (try "debug c*.com", it will not work). Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the 1 file names to the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs were invented! The solution is easy : find . -maxdepth 1 | xargs rm So this has nothing to do with rm, nor with rm being open-source, and even less with rm being written with vi, and Marc's rant is totally wrong and off-topic. Maybe he was drunk when posting, or maybe someone used his keyboard to make him look like a complete fool. Or maybe he really is. Willy (please do not follow up on this OT thread, responses to /dev/null) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Marc Perkel wrote: > > > Let me give you and example of > > > brain damaged thinking > > > out here in the real world. > I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was > fantastic. Sounds like it hasn't worn off yet. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Marc Perkel napsal(a): > Let me give you and example of the difference between > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > what it's like out here in the real world. > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: > > rm * > > What do you get? > > /bin/rm: Argument list too long What does this have to do with rm command? -- Jiri Slaby ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Faculty of Informatics, Masaryk University - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- Al Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:20:34PM -0700, Marc > Perkel wrote: > > Let me give you and example of the difference > between > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > > what it's like out here in the real world. > > [snip] > > Marc, why don't you do the obvious thing and hire > Jeff Merkey? > He used to work on netware kernel, you are a netware > fanboy... > Hell, he might even share - his peyotl for whatever > you are on; > it certainly has... intriguing effects, so who knows > - maybe the > mix will give the right kind of out-of-box > experience for you ;-) > hm . So if you take Peyote then you think of things like "rm *" should delete all the files in a folder and if you're not on drugs then del from DOS being better than rm in Linux is OK. For what it's worth. I agree it seems to be that way. I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was fantastic. Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:20:34PM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > Let me give you and example of the difference between > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > what it's like out here in the real world. [snip] Marc, why don't you do the obvious thing and hire Jeff Merkey? He used to work on netware kernel, you are a netware fanboy... Hell, he might even share - his peyotl for whatever you are on; it certainly has... intriguing effects, so who knows - maybe the mix will give the right kind of out-of-box experience for you ;-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:20:34PM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. [snip] Marc, why don't you do the obvious thing and hire Jeff Merkey? He used to work on netware kernel, you are a netware fanboy... Hell, he might even share - his peyotl for whatever you are on; it certainly has... intriguing effects, so who knows - maybe the mix will give the right kind of out-of-box experience for you ;-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- Al Viro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:20:34PM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. [snip] Marc, why don't you do the obvious thing and hire Jeff Merkey? He used to work on netware kernel, you are a netware fanboy... Hell, he might even share - his peyotl for whatever you are on; it certainly has... intriguing effects, so who knows - maybe the mix will give the right kind of out-of-box experience for you ;-) hm . So if you take Peyote then you think of things like rm * should delete all the files in a folder and if you're not on drugs then del from DOS being better than rm in Linux is OK. For what it's worth. I agree it seems to be that way. I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was fantastic. Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long What does this have to do with rm command? -- Jiri Slaby ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Faculty of Informatics, Masaryk University - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Marc Perkel wrote: Let me give you and example of snip brain damaged thinking snip out here in the real world. I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was fantastic. Sounds like it hasn't worn off yet. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
[OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long What does this have to do with rm command? Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc confuses shell and rm. Under DOS, when he types del *, the shell calls the builtin function del and passes it only one argument *. The del function is then responsible for iterating through the files using getfirst/getnext. This is also why mostly only builtin shell commands support *, while most external commands do not support it, since they have to re-implement the same code to iterate through the files (try debug c*.com, it will not work). Under unix, the shell resolves * and passes the 1 file names to the rm command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs were invented! The solution is easy : find . -maxdepth 1 | xargs rm So this has nothing to do with rm, nor with rm being open-source, and even less with rm being written with vi, and Marc's rant is totally wrong and off-topic. Maybe he was drunk when posting, or maybe someone used his keyboard to make him look like a complete fool. Or maybe he really is. Willy (please do not follow up on this OT thread, responses to /dev/null) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
WT == Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WT Under unix, the shell resolves * and passes the 1 file names WT to the rm command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in WT arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs WT were invented! It would be very handy if the argument memory space was expanded. Many years ago I hit the limit regularly on Solaris, and going to Linux with its comparatively large limit was a joy. Now it happens to me quite often on Linux as well. What are the primary problems with expanding it? It used to be swappable memory, is that still the case? /Benny - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:31:21 +0200 Benny Amorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WT == Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WT Under unix, the shell resolves * and passes the 1 file names WT to the rm command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in WT arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs WT were invented! It would be very handy if the argument memory space was expanded. Many years ago I hit the limit regularly on Solaris, and going to Linux with its comparatively large limit was a joy. Now it happens to me quite often on Linux as well. done :) commit b6a2fea39318e43fee84fa7b0b90d68bed92d2ba Author: Ollie Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jul 19 01:48:16 2007 -0700 mm: variable length argument support Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings directly from the old mm into the new mm. -- Paolo Ornati Linux 2.6.23-rc3-g2a677896 on x86_64 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: variable length argument support (was: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage)
On Aug 19 2007 14:39, Paolo Ornati wrote: WT Under unix, the shell resolves * and passes the 1 file names WT to the rm command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in WT arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs WT were invented! It would be very handy if the argument memory space was expanded. Many years ago I hit the limit regularly on Solaris, and going to Linux with its comparatively large limit was a joy. Now it happens to me quite often on Linux as well. done :) commit b6a2fea39318e43fee84fa7b0b90d68bed92d2ba Author: Ollie Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jul 19 01:48:16 2007 -0700 mm: variable length argument support Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings directly from the old mm into the new mm. Me wonders. Will that make the checking for maximum length of command line arguments from autotools run forever since execve() will not fail anymore? Jan -- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 19 August 2007, Marc Perkel wrote: Let me give you and example of snip brain damaged thinking snip out here in the real world. I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was fantastic. Sounds like it hasn't worn off yet. Afreed. Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- Jiri Slaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long What does this have to do with rm command? See what I mean? Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long What does this have to do with rm command? Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc confuses shell and rm. Under DOS, when he types del *, the shell calls the builtin function del and passes it only one argument *. The del function is then responsible for iterating through the files using getfirst/getnext. This is also why mostly only builtin shell commands support *, while most external commands do not support it, since they have to re-implement the same code to iterate through the files (try debug c*.com, it will not work). Under unix, the shell resolves * and passes the 1 file names to the rm command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs were invented! The solution is easy : find . -maxdepth 1 | xargs rm So this has nothing to do with rm, nor with rm being open-source, and even less with rm being written with vi, and Marc's rant is totally wrong and off-topic. Maybe he was drunk when posting, or maybe someone used his keyboard to make him look like a complete fool. Or maybe he really is. Willy (please do not follow up on this OT thread, responses to /dev/null) The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't committed to getting it right. Just like my thinking outside the box thread when I try to say this is broken people don't go fix it. Instead I get an explanation why Linux isn't capable of having an rm command that will delete an unlimited number of files. I bet there are Microsoft people out there laughing at this. THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE !!! 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a cult. Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:22:37AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. The important point you are missing is that it is not the rm command which is broken. Either it's *all* commands or it's *your* way of thinking how they should work. I could play your game and say the type command is broken under DOS. Why can't I do type * under DOS while I can do cat * under linux ? For the exact same reason : the * is not processed at the same place. Unix initially chose to process it in the caller, and DOS later chose to process it in the callee. Neither is right, neither is wrong, those are just two different approaches which may be justified in their context. Having discovered DOS at 1.25 which did not even support directories, I certainly can say that missing globbing was not a problem at this time! This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't committed to getting it right. It has nothing to do with programming standards, the rm command works exactly like all others. Touch does the same, mv does the same, etc... Educate yourself before stating idiocies like this ! Just like my thinking outside the box thread when I try to say this is broken people don't go fix it. Instead I get an explanation why Linux isn't capable of having an rm command that will delete an unlimited number of files. $ rm -rf $DIR will remove an unlimited number of files in this directory. If you want to make a special case of rm, then implement the special case in the command and make it possible to pass it a globbing expression just like you can do with find. But this will be useless. I bet there are Microsoft people out there laughing at this. Oh yes, they are surely laughing at you, but at the same time they may feel sad to be defended by people puting such stupid statements in public. THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE !!! 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a cult. Yes, I really think you're the only one who has this problem. Don't you think that among those tens of millions of users, none of them has ever had to remove a directory full of files in 20 years ? Please stop taking yourself for the center of the world and buy a unix for newbies book instead of complaining the world is not like you would like it to be. Willy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Willy Tarreau wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: What does this have to do with rm command? Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc confuses shell and rm. (please do not follow up on this OT thread, responses to /dev/null) Then do not answer in the first place. Do not answer at all. There's tons of good literature that explains this. Don't feed the troll. Torsten - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Words by Marc Perkel [Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:22:37AM -0700]: --- Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long What does this have to do with rm command? Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc confuses shell and rm. Under DOS, when he types del *, the shell calls the builtin function del and passes it only one argument *. The del function is then responsible for iterating through the files using getfirst/getnext. This is also why mostly only builtin shell commands support *, while most external commands do not support it, since they have to re-implement the same code to iterate through the files (try debug c*.com, it will not work). Under unix, the shell resolves * and passes the 1 file names to the rm command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs were invented! The solution is easy : find . -maxdepth 1 | xargs rm So this has nothing to do with rm, nor with rm being open-source, and even less with rm being written with vi, and Marc's rant is totally wrong and off-topic. Maybe he was drunk when posting, or maybe someone used his keyboard to make him look like a complete fool. Or maybe he really is. Willy (please do not follow up on this OT thread, responses to /dev/null) The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't committed to getting it right. Yuhu! The rm command isn't broken (nothing is broken related to this). Have you been reading? Can you even (read)? Fscking troll. -- Jose Celestino http://www.msversus.org/ ; http://techp.org/petition/show/1 http://www.vinc17.org/noswpat.en.html And on the trillionth day, Man created Gods. -- Thomas D. Pate - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: variable length argument support (was: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage)
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings directly from the old mm into the new mm. Me wonders. Will that make the checking for maximum length of command line arguments from autotools run forever since execve() will not fail anymore? Since I'm running Gentoo and do many compiles I can tell that it works :) If I remeber correctly it was discussed on LKML and turend out that that check is done starting with a max len and going down rather than starting low and going up. -- Paolo Ornati Linux 2.6.23-rc3-g2a677896-dirty on x86_64 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a cult. Fixed in 2.6.23-rc (and not just for rm): commit b6a2fea39318e43fee84fa7b0b90d68bed92d2ba Author: Ollie Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jul 19 01:48:16 2007 -0700 mm: variable length argument support Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings directly from the old mm into the new mm. [...] -- Paolo Ornati Linux 2.6.23-rc3-g2a677896-dirty on x86_64 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
--- Paolo Ornati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a cult. Fixed in 2.6.23-rc (and not just for rm): commit b6a2fea39318e43fee84fa7b0b90d68bed92d2ba Author: Ollie Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jul 19 01:48:16 2007 -0700 mm: variable length argument support Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings directly from the old mm into the new mm. [...] -- Paolo Ornati Linux 2.6.23-rc3-g2a677896-dirty on x86_64 Good man! Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 06:22 -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. no the important point is that you're an absolute horrible troll and are posting things to the ENTIRELY WRONG MAILING LIST. For some people who are new that happens sometimes as accident. You know better. So please take this elsewhere and try to have better judgement in the future as to what mailinglist you want to send your complaints to. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:20:34 PDT, Marc Perkel said: Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long Given that you don't even understand that this message is issued by the *shell* and not /bin/rm, and *why* it issues that sort of error message when an argument string expands to be bigger than MAX_ARGV, and the fact that there are extant patches to increase that to essentially any reasonable size, why should we listen to you when you proclaim that you have any sort of enlightenment about systems design? pgp0YD9j1hMWY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't committed to getting it right. Thanks man, you've made my day. I haven't laughed this hard at a mildly technical discussion in weeks. Just like my thinking outside the box thread when I try to say this is broken people don't go fix it. Instead I get an explanation why Linux isn't capable of having an rm command that will delete an unlimited number of files. Calling something that bas been working for decades broken, and offering a vague idea that is not only riddled with usability issues but also unimplementable in an even remotely efficient manner, and yet expecting people to jump into action and write it for you while deprecating an enormous amount of existing code, is something best described as surreal. Disregarding peer review and calling it an attack is just icing on the cake. I bet there are Microsoft people out there laughing at this. Probably at you. THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE !!! 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a cult. All hail Linus the great. -- m. tharp - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
Michael Tharp wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't committed to getting it right. I wonder, do these sorts of people email random celebrities and tell them they suck? If not, why do they think emailing a developer mailing list about how much they hate their product, work ethics, and general way of life is more socially acceptable? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
The vi editor causes brain damage
Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long If you map a network drive in DOS and type: del * It works. That's the problem with the type of thinking in the open source world. Why can DOS delete an infinite number of files and rm can't? Because rm was written using the "vi" editor and it causes brain damage and that's why after 20 years rm hasn't caught up with del. Before everyone gets pissed off and freaks out why don't you ponder the question why rm won't delete all the files in the directory. If you can't grasp that then you're brain damaged. Think big people. Say NO to vi! Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
The vi editor causes brain damage
Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long If you map a network drive in DOS and type: del * It works. That's the problem with the type of thinking in the open source world. Why can DOS delete an infinite number of files and rm can't? Because rm was written using the vi editor and it causes brain damage and that's why after 20 years rm hasn't caught up with del. Before everyone gets pissed off and freaks out why don't you ponder the question why rm won't delete all the files in the directory. If you can't grasp that then you're brain damaged. Think big people. Say NO to vi! Marc Perkel Junk Email Filter dot com http://www.junkemailfilter.com Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/