Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-27 Thread Olivier Galibert
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:17:18PM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > rpm -b does not work in opensuse anymore (redirects you to use rpmbuild), and > I > bet fedora will do the same, so if you don't have rpm-build, tough luck for > make rpm. The point, if I understand it correctly, was that when

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-27 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > On Nov 26 2007 11:13, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >> >>>Only on current machines. You'd break building kernel RPMs on older > >> >>>systems that don't have rpmbuild installed. > >> >> > >> >> Those old machines probably do not even run a

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-27 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Nov 26 2007 11:13, Robert P. J. Day wrote: Only on current machines. You'd break building kernel RPMs on older systems that don't have rpmbuild installed. Those old machines probably do not even run a distro-fabricated gcc that would

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-27 Thread Olivier Galibert
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:17:18PM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: rpm -b does not work in opensuse anymore (redirects you to use rpmbuild), and I bet fedora will do the same, so if you don't have rpm-build, tough luck for make rpm. The point, if I understand it correctly, was that when

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Nov 26 2007 11:13, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> >>>Only on current machines. You'd break building kernel RPMs on older >> >>>systems that don't have rpmbuild installed. >> >> >> >> Those old machines probably do not even run a distro-fabricated >> >> gcc that would compile a git head kernel. >>

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > On Nov 26 2007 10:53, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > >>>Only on current machines. You'd break building kernel RPMs on older > >>>systems that don't have rpmbuild installed. > >> > >> Those old machines probably do not even run a distro-fabricated > >>

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Nov 26 2007 10:53, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >>>Only on current machines. You'd break building kernel RPMs on older >>>systems that don't have rpmbuild installed. >> >> Those old machines probably do not even run a distro-fabricated gcc that >> would compile a git head kernel. > >well, in a

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > On Nov 26 2007 06:58, Ray Lee wrote: > >On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> on current systems, "rpm" no longer has build capability and will > >> fail thusly: > >> > >> rpm --target i386 -ta

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Nov 26 2007 06:58, Ray Lee wrote: >On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on current systems, "rpm" no longer has build capability and will >> fail thusly: >> >> rpm --target i386 -ta ../kernel-2.6.24rc3g2ffbb837dirty.tar.gz >> --target: unknown option >> >>

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Ray Lee
On Nov 26, 2007 7:12 AM, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Ray Lee wrote: > > > > > On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on current systems, "rpm" no longer has build

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Ray Lee wrote: > > > On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on current systems, "rpm" no longer has build capability and will > > > fail thusly: > > > > > > rpm --target i386 -ta

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Ray Lee wrote: > On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on current systems, "rpm" no longer has build capability and will > > fail thusly: > > > > rpm --target i386 -ta ../kernel-2.6.24rc3g2ffbb837dirty.tar.gz > > --target: unknown option

Re: can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Ray Lee
On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on current systems, "rpm" no longer has build capability and will > fail thusly: > > rpm --target i386 -ta ../kernel-2.6.24rc3g2ffbb837dirty.tar.gz > --target: unknown option > > so it would make more sense to just require

can support for "rpm"-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
by that, i mean *requiring* the "rpmbuild" command, and not accepting "rpm" as a subsititute, as you can read in scripts/package/Makefile: # Do we have rpmbuild, otherwise fall back to the older rpm RPM := $(shell if [ -x "/usr/bin/rpmbuild" ]; then echo rpmbuild; \ else

can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
by that, i mean *requiring* the rpmbuild command, and not accepting rpm as a subsititute, as you can read in scripts/package/Makefile: # Do we have rpmbuild, otherwise fall back to the older rpm RPM := $(shell if [ -x /usr/bin/rpmbuild ]; then echo rpmbuild; \ else echo rpm;

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Ray Lee
On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on current systems, rpm no longer has build capability and will fail thusly: rpm --target i386 -ta ../kernel-2.6.24rc3g2ffbb837dirty.tar.gz --target: unknown option so it would make more sense to just require rpmbuild

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Ray Lee wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on current systems, rpm no longer has build capability and will fail thusly: rpm --target i386 -ta ../kernel-2.6.24rc3g2ffbb837dirty.tar.gz --target: unknown option so it

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Ray Lee wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on current systems, rpm no longer has build capability and will fail thusly: rpm --target i386 -ta

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Ray Lee
On Nov 26, 2007 7:12 AM, Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Ray Lee wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on current systems, rpm no longer has build capability and will

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Nov 26 2007 06:58, Ray Lee wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on current systems, rpm no longer has build capability and will fail thusly: rpm --target i386 -ta ../kernel-2.6.24rc3g2ffbb837dirty.tar.gz --target: unknown option so it would make

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Nov 26 2007 06:58, Ray Lee wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 12:54 AM, Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on current systems, rpm no longer has build capability and will fail thusly: rpm --target i386 -ta

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Nov 26 2007 10:53, Robert P. J. Day wrote: Only on current machines. You'd break building kernel RPMs on older systems that don't have rpmbuild installed. Those old machines probably do not even run a distro-fabricated gcc that would compile a git head kernel. well, in a nutshell, the

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Nov 26 2007 11:13, Robert P. J. Day wrote: Only on current machines. You'd break building kernel RPMs on older systems that don't have rpmbuild installed. Those old machines probably do not even run a distro-fabricated gcc that would compile a git head kernel. well, in a nutshell,

Re: can support for rpm-based package building just be dropped?

2007-11-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Nov 26 2007 10:53, Robert P. J. Day wrote: Only on current machines. You'd break building kernel RPMs on older systems that don't have rpmbuild installed. Those old machines probably do not even run a distro-fabricated gcc that would