Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-21 Thread Thomas Sailer
Vojtech Pavlik wrote: > Oops? I thought the paired controller there is for OSes not being able > to handle EHCI yet? So that USB works even for those ... I think EHCI > should handle even 1.x devices ... I may be wrong, though. Check the Intel EHCI spec. Esp. the chapter about port handover...

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-21 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 01:37:23PM +0100, Thomas Sailer wrote: > > I hope EHCI makes it all moot. Some way or another. > > Only for USB2 devices. EHCI is supposed to be paired with an existing > UHCI or OHCI controller core that is supposed to take over the USB connector > if an USB 1.x hub or

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-21 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 01:37:23PM +0100, Thomas Sailer wrote: I hope EHCI makes it all moot. Some way or another. Only for USB2 devices. EHCI is supposed to be paired with an existing UHCI or OHCI controller core that is supposed to take over the USB connector if an USB 1.x hub or device

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-21 Thread Thomas Sailer
Vojtech Pavlik wrote: Oops? I thought the paired controller there is for OSes not being able to handle EHCI yet? So that USB works even for those ... I think EHCI should handle even 1.x devices ... I may be wrong, though. Check the Intel EHCI spec. Esp. the chapter about port handover...

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-20 Thread Thomas Sailer
Linus Torvalds wrote: > I'd disagree. UHCI has tons of advantages, not the least of which is > [Cthat it was there first and is widely available. If OHCI hadn't been > done we'd have _one_ nice good USB controller implementation instead of UHCI has a couple of disadvantages, though (and some

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-20 Thread Thomas Sailer
Linus Torvalds wrote: I'd disagree. UHCI has tons of advantages, not the least of which is [Cthat it was there first and is widely available. If OHCI hadn't been done we'd have _one_ nice good USB controller implementation instead of UHCI has a couple of disadvantages, though (and some of

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-19 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > >One note for the archives, if you are presented a choice between a OHCI > >or a UHCI controller, go for the OHCI. It has a "cleaner" interface, > >handles more of the logic in the silicon, and due to this provides > >faster transfers. > > I'd disagree. UHCI has tons of advantages, not

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-19 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! One note for the archives, if you are presented a choice between a OHCI or a UHCI controller, go for the OHCI. It has a "cleaner" interface, handles more of the logic in the silicon, and due to this provides faster transfers. I'd disagree. UHCI has tons of advantages, not the least

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-18 Thread Linus Torvalds
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 11:25:50PM -0800, Ben Ford wrote: >> Here is lspci output from the laptop in question. Is this not UHCI? > >Yes it is. Just a bit funny if you think about it, but with Intel and >Via putting the UHCI

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-18 Thread Linus Torvalds
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg KH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 11:25:50PM -0800, Ben Ford wrote: Here is lspci output from the laptop in question. Is this not UHCI? Yes it is. Just a bit funny if you think about it, but with Intel and Via putting the UHCI core into

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 11:25:50PM -0800, Ben Ford wrote: > Here is lspci output from the laptop in question. Is this not UHCI? Yes it is. Just a bit funny if you think about it, but with Intel and Via putting the UHCI core into their chipsets I guess it makes sense. One note for the

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Ben Ford
Here is lspci output from the laptop in question. Is this not UHCI? [ben@Juanita ben]$ /sbin/lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 09:27:19PM -0800, David Ford wrote: > > The second issue is usb. I now have two machines that lockup on boot in USB. > One is the above workstation, the second is a Compaq laptop. Unfortunately > I have no way of unplugging the USB hardware inside the laptop :P Can't

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread David Ford
> > The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very > > difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself [...] > It could be that -test5 and -test6 break some assumption kdb makes. > It has been eminently stable here. Whether or not the

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Keith Owens
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:00:49 + (GMT), Tigran Aivazian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very >difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself >goes mad) but when there is no kdb there is very little useful

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Keith Owens
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:00:49 + (GMT), Tigran Aivazian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very >difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself >goes mad) but when there is no kdb there is very little useful

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Followup to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By author:Tigran Aivazian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel > > Hi, > > The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very > difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself > goes mad) but when

test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Tigran Aivazian
Hi, The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself goes mad) but when there is no kdb there is very little useful information one can extract from a dead system... I will start removing kernel

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Keith Owens
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:00:49 + (GMT), Tigran Aivazian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself goes mad) but when there is no kdb there is very little useful

test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Tigran Aivazian
Hi, The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself goes mad) but when there is no kdb there is very little useful information one can extract from a dead system... I will start removing kernel

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Followup to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] By author:Tigran Aivazian [EMAIL PROTECTED] In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel Hi, The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself goes mad) but when there is

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Keith Owens
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:00:49 + (GMT), Tigran Aivazian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself goes mad) but when there is no kdb there is very little useful

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread David Ford
The mysterious lockups in test11-pre5 continue in test11-pre6. It is very difficult because the lockups appear to be kdb-specific (and kdb itself [...] It could be that -test5 and -test6 break some assumption kdb makes. It has been eminently stable here. Whether or not the assumptions

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 09:27:19PM -0800, David Ford wrote: The second issue is usb. I now have two machines that lockup on boot in USB. One is the above workstation, the second is a Compaq laptop. Unfortunately I have no way of unplugging the USB hardware inside the laptop :P Can't you

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Ben Ford
Here is lspci output from the laptop in question. Is this not UHCI? [ben@Juanita ben]$ /sbin/lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 11:25:50PM -0800, Ben Ford wrote: Here is lspci output from the laptop in question. Is this not UHCI? Yes it is. Just a bit funny if you think about it, but with Intel and Via putting the UHCI core into their chipsets I guess it makes sense. One note for the archives,