Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:12:51 +0100, Karel Zak said: > For example for my laptop is it true that "life is too short to > enable SELinux", but it's probably not true for servers in the bank where > I have money. (I hope so:-) On the other hand, the case can be made that your laptop needs SELinux

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-28 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 08:18:24PM +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > > Frankly, it wasn't always easy to use SeLinux in previous FC > > releases, but there is huge progress and I think it's much better in > > FC6. > > I've never tried SELinux, but at one poin

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Karel Zak wrote: For example for my laptop is it true that "life is too short to enable SELinux", but it's probably not true for servers in the bank where I have money. (I hope so:-) You'd be surprised how many banks run Windows, and not even the most recent versions. -hpa - To

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread Karel Zak
On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 03:42:13PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 08:18:24PM +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > > Frankly, it wasn't always easy to use SeLinux in previous FC > > releases, but there is huge progress and I think it's much better in > > FC6. > > I've never tried SELi

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 08:18:24PM +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > Frankly, it wasn't always easy to use SeLinux in previous FC > releases, but there is huge progress and I think it's much better in > FC6. I've never tried SELinux, but at one point there were all sorts of horror stories that if you e

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread Karel Zak
On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 07:39:47PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Wednesday 27 December 2006 19:15, Karel Zak wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 03:46:10AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > On Monday 18 December 2006 08:17, Karel Zak wrote: > > > > - remove FS/device detection code >

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 19:15, Karel Zak wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 03:46:10AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > On Monday 18 December 2006 08:17, Karel Zak wrote: > > > - remove FS/device detection code > > >           (libblkid from e2fsprogs or libvolumeid is replacement) >

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread Karel Zak
On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 03:46:10AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Monday 18 December 2006 08:17, Karel Zak wrote: > > - remove FS/device detection code > >           (libblkid from e2fsprogs or libvolumeid is replacement) > > I saw that the current Fedora already dynamically links /bin/m

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 07:08:43PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > That's a pretty silly statement. The real issue is that any library > needed by binaries in /bin or /sbin should live in /lib, not /usr/lib. Well, there's a real treat here - lots of shared libraries mean mount is rendered unusabl

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread Horst H. von Brand
Fedora rawhide (i686): $ rpm -qf /bin/mount util-linux-2.13-0.48.fc7 $ ldd /bin/mount linux-gate.so.1 => (0x00f9b000) libblkid.so.1 => /lib/libblkid.so.1 (0x45dbc000) libuuid.so.1 => /lib/libuuid.so.1 (0x45db6000) libselinux.so.1 => /lib/libselinux.so.1 (0x43c5c00

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Dec 27 2006 12:24, Alessandro Suardi wrote: > On 12/27/06, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 07:08:43PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: I saw that the current Fedora already dynamically links /bin/mount against /usr/lib/libblkid.so. This obviously does n

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-27 Thread Alessandro Suardi
On 12/27/06, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 07:08:43PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > >I saw that the current Fedora already dynamically links /bin/mount > >against /usr/lib/libblkid.so. This obviously does not work if > >/usr is a separate partition that needs to

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-26 Thread Theodore Tso
On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 07:08:43PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > >I saw that the current Fedora already dynamically links /bin/mount > >against /usr/lib/libblkid.so. This obviously does not work if > >/usr is a separate partition that needs to be mounted with /bin/mount. > >I also had problems wit

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I saw that the current Fedora already dynamically links /bin/mount >against /usr/lib/libblkid.so. What do you mean by "current" Fedora? I think the first Fedora version that linked /bin/mount against libblkid.so was FC4, and FC4, FC5, FC

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-26 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 04:08, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > > I'd suggest that you make sure that mount always gets statically linked > > against libblkid to avoid these problems. > > > > That's a pretty silly statement.  The real issue is that any library > needed by binaries in /bin or /sb

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-26 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Arnd Bergmann wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 08:17, Karel Zak wrote: - remove FS/device detection code (libblkid from e2fsprogs or libvolumeid is replacement) I saw that the current Fedora already dynamically links /bin/mount against /usr/lib/libblkid.so. This obviously do

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-26 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Monday 18 December 2006 08:17, Karel Zak wrote: > - remove FS/device detection code >           (libblkid from e2fsprogs or libvolumeid is replacement) I saw that the current Fedora already dynamically links /bin/mount against /usr/lib/libblkid.so. This obviously does not work if /usr i

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-21 Thread Jan Engelhardt
>> What about merging util-linux and procps? > > How? Which way? In that all the following tools (and possibly files) which are returned by `rpm ql procps` replace the util-linux counterparts, if any. Note that rpm -ql might return less programs than actually present in procps, since distributors

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-20 Thread Albert Cahalan
On 12/20/06, Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've originally thought about util-linux upstream fork, >> but as usually an fork is bad step. So.. I'd like to start >> some discussion before this step. > ... >> after few weeks I'm pleased to announce a new "util-linux-ng" >> project.

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-20 Thread Jan Engelhardt
>> I've originally thought about util-linux upstream fork, >> but as usually an fork is bad step. So.. I'd like to start >> some discussion before this step. > ... >> after few weeks I'm pleased to announce a new "util-linux-ng" >> project. This project is a fork of the original util-linux (2.13-p

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-19 Thread Albert Cahalan
Karel Zak writes: I've originally thought about util-linux upstream fork, but as usually an fork is bad step. So.. I'd like to start some discussion before this step. ... after few weeks I'm pleased to announce a new "util-linux-ng" project. This project is a fork of the original util-linux (2

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-18 Thread Karel Zak
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 10:33:33AM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > > after few weeks I'm pleased to announce a new "util-linux-ng" project. This > > project is a fork of the original util-linux (2.13-pre7). > > > > The goal of the project is to move util-linux code back to useful state, > > syn

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-18 Thread Matthias Koenig
Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> after few weeks I'm pleased to announce a new "util-linux-ng" project. This >> project is a fork of the original util-linux (2.13-pre7). >> >> The goal of the project is to move util-linux code back to useful state, sync >> with actual distributions an

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-18 Thread Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
On Monday 18 December 2006 10:33, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > after few weeks I'm pleased to announce a new "util-linux-ng" project. > > This project is a fork of the original util-linux (2.13-pre7). > > > > The goal of the project is to move util-linux code back to useful state, > > sync with actual

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-18 Thread Jan Engelhardt
> after few weeks I'm pleased to announce a new "util-linux-ng" project. This > project is a fork of the original util-linux (2.13-pre7). > > The goal of the project is to move util-linux code back to useful state, sync > with actual distributions and kernel and make development more transparent

Re: util-linux: orphan

2006-12-17 Thread Karel Zak
Hello, after few weeks I'm pleased to announce a new "util-linux-ng" project. This project is a fork of the original util-linux (2.13-pre7). The goal of the project is to move util-linux code back to useful state, sync with actual distributions and kernel and make development more transpar