Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread vignesh babu
ls --version
ls (GNU coreutils) 5.97

An fsck did it :) and had the source restored by checkout -f

Think Jan is right, there is a diff between the two...

On 10/15/07, Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> > On Oct 14 2007 09:27, Mark Lord wrote:
> >> Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> wrote:
>  I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:
> 
>  total 0
>  ?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
>  ?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
>  ?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
>  ?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
>  ?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
> 
>  So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
>  or ownership even as root.
> >>> Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.
> >> No, this is perfectly normal behaviour, for when a directory
> >> has READ permissions but not EXECUTE permissions.
> >
> > Er, close.
> >
> >   16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > md a
> >   16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > touch a/b
> >   16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > chmod 644 a
> >   16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > ls -l a
> >   /bin/ls: cannot access a/b: Permission denied
> >   total 0
> >   -? ? ? ? ?? b
> >   16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > ls --version
> >   ls (GNU coreutils) 6.9
> >
> >
> > There is a difference ..  "-?" vs "?-".
>
> That's just a version difference for GNU ls.
> Here, with ls (GNU coreutils) 5.97 it gives this:
>
> ?- ? ? ? ?? a/b
>
>
>


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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Mark Lord

Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Oct 14 2007 09:27, Mark Lord wrote:

Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:

On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:

total 0
?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.

Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.

No, this is perfectly normal behaviour, for when a directory
has READ permissions but not EXECUTE permissions.


Er, close.

16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > md a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > touch a/b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > chmod 644 a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > ls -l a
/bin/ls: cannot access a/b: Permission denied
total 0
-? ? ? ? ?? b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > ls --version
ls (GNU coreutils) 6.9


There is a difference ..  "-?" vs "?-".


That's just a version difference for GNU ls.
Here, with ls (GNU coreutils) 5.97 it gives this:

?- ? ? ? ?? a/b


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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Jan Engelhardt

On Oct 14 2007 09:27, Mark Lord wrote:
> Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:
>> On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:
>> >
>> > total 0
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
>> >
>> > So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
>> > or ownership even as root.
>> 
>> Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.
>
> No, this is perfectly normal behaviour, for when a directory
> has READ permissions but not EXECUTE permissions.

Er, close.

16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > md a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > touch a/b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > chmod 644 a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > ls -l a
/bin/ls: cannot access a/b: Permission denied
total 0
-? ? ? ? ?? b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm > ls --version
ls (GNU coreutils) 6.9


There is a difference ..  "-?" vs "?-".

The first looks to me like "filetype known (S_IFREG)",
while the latter is "filetype and mode unknown".


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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw
On Sun, 2007-10-14 09:29:01 -0400, Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> vignesh babu wrote:
> ..
> >?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
> >?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
> >?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
> >?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
> >?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
> >
> >So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
> >or ownership even as root.
> >
> >Can some one help please?
> 
> chmod a+x name_of_directory
> 
> Now you can do "ls -l" and "rm" or whatever.

*cough* The original mail you're replying to had this inside:

> > I was hitting another issue with permissions-as root :( 
> > 

I really think he better starts a fsck... Soon.

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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Mark Lord

vignesh babu wrote:
..

?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.

Can some one help please?


chmod a+x name_of_directory

Now you can do "ls -l" and "rm" or whatever.

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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Mark Lord

Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:

On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:

total 0
?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.


Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.


No, this is perfectly normal behaviour, for when a directory
has READ permissions but not EXECUTE permissions.

Eg.

mkdir a
touch a/b
chmod 644 a
ls -l a

Try it!

Cheers
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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Jan Engelhardt

On Oct 14 2007 14:30, Bauke Jan Douma wrote:
>> On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:
>> >
>> > total 0
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
>> > ?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
>> >
>> > So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
>> > or ownership even as root.
>> 
>> Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.
>
> I don't think this is a bug, but a feature of 'ls', see for instance
> the coreutils mailing list:
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/2007-05/msg00226.html

- broken on-disk fs
- you are not allowed to stat() -- which can only reasonably happen
  with FUSE or remote filesystems
- ls also outputs ?- if the file mode does not make sense,
  though as we can see, UID/GID nlink, etc. are also missing, so I suspect
  item 2.

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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Bauke Jan Douma

Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote on 13-10-07 19:28:

On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:

total 0
?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.


Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.

MfG, JBG



I don't think this is a bug, but a feature of 'ls', see for instance
the coreutils mailing list:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/2007-05/msg00226.html

bjd

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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Bauke Jan Douma

Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote on 13-10-07 19:28:

On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:

total 0
?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.


Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.

MfG, JBG



I don't think this is a bug, but a feature of 'ls', see for instance
the coreutils mailing list:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/2007-05/msg00226.html

bjd

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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Jan Engelhardt

On Oct 14 2007 14:30, Bauke Jan Douma wrote:
 On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:
 
  total 0
  ?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
 
  So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
  or ownership even as root.
 
 Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.

 I don't think this is a bug, but a feature of 'ls', see for instance
 the coreutils mailing list:

 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/2007-05/msg00226.html

- broken on-disk fs
- you are not allowed to stat() -- which can only reasonably happen
  with FUSE or remote filesystems
- ls also outputs ?- if the file mode does not make sense,
  though as we can see, UID/GID nlink, etc. are also missing, so I suspect
  item 2.

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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Mark Lord

Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:

On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:

total 0
?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.


Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.


No, this is perfectly normal behaviour, for when a directory
has READ permissions but not EXECUTE permissions.

Eg.

mkdir a
touch a/b
chmod 644 a
ls -l a

Try it!

Cheers
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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Mark Lord

vignesh babu wrote:
..

?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.

Can some one help please?


chmod a+x name_of_directory

Now you can do ls -l and rm or whatever.

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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw
On Sun, 2007-10-14 09:29:01 -0400, Mark Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 vignesh babu wrote:
 ..
 ?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
 ?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
 ?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
 ?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
 ?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
 
 So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
 or ownership even as root.
 
 Can some one help please?
 
 chmod a+x name_of_directory
 
 Now you can do ls -l and rm or whatever.

*cough* The original mail you're replying to had this inside:

  I was hitting another issue with permissions-as root :( 
  

I really think he better starts a fsck... Soon.

MfG, JBG

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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Jan Engelhardt

On Oct 14 2007 09:27, Mark Lord wrote:
 Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:
 On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:
 
  total 0
  ?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
 
  So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
  or ownership even as root.
 
 Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.

 No, this is perfectly normal behaviour, for when a directory
 has READ permissions but not EXECUTE permissions.

Er, close.

16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  md a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  touch a/b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  chmod 644 a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  ls -l a
/bin/ls: cannot access a/b: Permission denied
total 0
-? ? ? ? ?? b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  ls --version
ls (GNU coreutils) 6.9


There is a difference ..  -? vs ?-.

The first looks to me like filetype known (S_IFREG),
while the latter is filetype and mode unknown.


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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread Mark Lord

Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Oct 14 2007 09:27, Mark Lord wrote:

Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:

On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:

total 0
?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.

Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.

No, this is perfectly normal behaviour, for when a directory
has READ permissions but not EXECUTE permissions.


Er, close.

16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  md a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  touch a/b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  chmod 644 a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  ls -l a
/bin/ls: cannot access a/b: Permission denied
total 0
-? ? ? ? ?? b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  ls --version
ls (GNU coreutils) 6.9


There is a difference ..  -? vs ?-.


That's just a version difference for GNU ls.
Here, with ls (GNU coreutils) 5.97 it gives this:

?- ? ? ? ?? a/b


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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-14 Thread vignesh babu
ls --version
ls (GNU coreutils) 5.97

An fsck did it :) and had the source restored by checkout -f

Think Jan is right, there is a diff between the two...

On 10/15/07, Mark Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
  On Oct 14 2007 09:27, Mark Lord wrote:
  Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:
  On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:
 
  total 0
  ?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
  ?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
 
  So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
  or ownership even as root.
  Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.
  No, this is perfectly normal behaviour, for when a directory
  has READ permissions but not EXECUTE permissions.
 
  Er, close.
 
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  md a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  touch a/b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  chmod 644 a
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  ls -l a
/bin/ls: cannot access a/b: Permission denied
total 0
-? ? ? ? ?? b
16:02 ichi:/dev/shm  ls --version
ls (GNU coreutils) 6.9
 
 
  There is a difference ..  -? vs ?-.

 That's just a version difference for GNU ls.
 Here, with ls (GNU coreutils) 5.97 it gives this:

 ?- ? ? ? ?? a/b





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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-13 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw
On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:
> 
> total 0
> ?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
> ?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
> ?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
> ?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
> ?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
> 
> So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
> or ownership even as root.

Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.

MfG, JBG

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wierd file perms

2007-10-13 Thread vignesh babu
Hi all,

Was having trouble with the latest source-in compiling it and did an
mrproper which fixed things...well-temporarily.

I was hitting another issue with permissions-as root :(

I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:

total 0
?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.

Can some one help please?

How did this even happen?

I could compile without any issues till yesterday and todays update
seems to have caused this...

Not really sure if it is just a local phenomenon
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wierd file perms

2007-10-13 Thread vignesh babu
Hi all,

Was having trouble with the latest source-in compiling it and did an
mrproper which fixed things...well-temporarily.

I was hitting another issue with permissions-as root :(

I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:

total 0
?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs

So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
or ownership even as root.

Can some one help please?

How did this even happen?

I could compile without any issues till yesterday and todays update
seems to have caused this...

Not really sure if it is just a local phenomenon
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Re: wierd file perms

2007-10-13 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw
On Sat, 2007-10-13 22:40:23 +0530, vignesh babu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I was surprised and did an ls -l on the files and guess what I found:
 
 total 0
 ?- ? ? ? ?? fcntl.c
 ?- ? ? ? ?? fifo.c
 ?- ? ? ? ?? filesystems.c
 ?- ? ? ? ?? file_table.c
 ?- ? ? ? ?? freevxfs
 
 So end result is that, Im not able to delete the files or change perms
 or ownership even as root.

Most probably, your filesystem is broken and needs a fsck.

MfG, JBG

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