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So called 'sigma sigma' 386 and higher. Ie we dont support the 386 with the
32bit mul bugs.
Is this a new thing in 2.4.0 ? Could it possibly cause a crash as
early as pagetable_init() ?
We've never supported pre sigmasigma cpus although someone posted a patch to
Linux 1.2 once. You won't
struct ucred is also needed to get LinuxThreads POSIX compliant (sharing
credentials between threads, but still keeping system calls atomic in
relation to credential changes)
That is extremely undesirable behaviour. setuid() changes for pthreads crud
should be done by the library emulation
I looked at it a year or two ago myself, and came to the conclusion that I
don't want to blow up our page table size by a factor of three or more, so
I'm not personally interested any more. Maybe somebody else comes up with
a better way to do it, or with a really compelling reason to.
There
Of course not by default, it would be a new clone flag (with default to on in
linuxthreads though, to not cause security holes in ported programs like today)
I've seen exactly nil cases where there are any security holes in apps caused
by that pthreads api non adherance. There are also far
As the thread started it's not only only needed for pthreads, but also for NFS
and setuid (actually NFS already implements it privately), and probably other network
file systems too. So it's far from being only a "bad standard corner case".
I wonder how Linux 2.2 worked, that doesnt have
What is the relationship betwwen 2.4.1-pre1 and Alan's ac5 ?
As I see dates over ftp, ac5 is newer than pre1 (and bigger...)
Is the next step a pre1-ac1 ?
I merged Linus pre1. I will go over the diffs between the two and send Linus
any critical stuff I've not yet sent him soon.
I'm trying to
This is why my original NMI for UP code in kdb uses wrmsr_eio() instead
of wrmsr. wrmsr_eio() catches errors where the APIC does not support
the msr and returns EIO instead of oopsing and taking the kernel with
it. I could never persuade Ingo to use wrmsr_eio() and check the
return code,
See below for my origional problem. It seems the problem lies in the
module versioning option.
Not quite
When the system boots, I am spammed with the following line:
insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.0/kernel/net/unix/unix.o: insmod net-pf-1
failed
What happens is this
kernel needs unix sockets
The MMU on these systems is a CAM, and the mmu table is thus backwards to
convention. (It also means you can notionally map two physical addresses to
one virtual but thats undefined in the implementation ;))
Are there any other (not yet supported) platforms with similar (or other
Ummm
.sigs shouldnt be that long
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Wrong method.
APMD has to have the ablity to remember the state.
Spindown is basically a power reset to the drive.
Wrong answer, apmd if its swapped out doesnt get back in on some drives
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Okay then are you wanting me to create a struct or bit mask to carry the
the device settings/mode that is set before an APM/ACPI event happens.
Regardless that the answer is wrong, somebody/thing has to keep a copy of
the device settings, and the case of swapout they get nuked. Thus a
autodetect
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A Duron box running 2.4.0-ac5 (and -ac6) shows NaN in many
places (such as df output showing usage "nan%"). Right now I
reverted back to 2.4.0-ac4 which does not show the problem.
The kernel was compiled with CONFIG_MK7 and without
MATH_EMULATION, if that makes any difference.
If you boot
The following error occurred while compiling 2.4.0-ac6..The strange
thing is that I checked mm/vmalloc.c (line 188, and the entire file) and
didn't see PKMAP_BASE mentioned. My guess is that there is a problem with
one of the header files.
Its defined in asm/highmem.h/ Probabyl a missing
cyrix processor, chipset and amd/lance ethernet chipset onboard.
It' working fine with 2.2.x but not with 2.4.x kernels with
the same driver version of the pcnet32 networkdriver.
What problems do you see
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Stick to one method that works for all routines, dynamic registration.
If that imposes the occasional need for a couple of extra calls in some
routines and for people to think about initialisation order right from
the start then so be it, it is a small price to pay for long term
stability
us who have via chipset motherboards, suggesting that it is limited
to that chipset, that chipset is ubiquitous, or via chipset
motherboard owners are generally the complaining type. no idea which
applies there, either.
Or there are a lot of them. 90% of scsi bug reports I get are adaptec
2.4.0 Kernel hangs up when I do the following stuff:
* Create a new PTY using openpty();
* Fork using forkpty. Now, the child process does this:
- Set the fd 0 line discipline to PPP;
- tries infinitely to read the standard input.
The parent
What if your motherboard doesn't have an AGP slot? I'm running an older
Micro Star pentium with a ATI All-in-Wonder with the Rage 128 chipset.
Then I believe you cant use direct render right now
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I've checked a couple of other machines, different setups etc.
all with -ac6 and all show this behavior - also the umount stuff.
Wait for -ac7 and see if that fixes it. I think I know whats up there
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I tried to apply it. If I finish it I will send the patch to mingo :)
try http://www.linuxraid.org/
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The darn thing disables intrs on its own for quite some time with some of
the more aggressive drivers. We saw our 20us latencies under RTLinux go up
a lot with some of those drivers.
It isnt disabling interrupts. Its stalling the PCI bus. Its nasty tricks by
card vendors apparently to get
using the O_NONBLOCK flag, then read() and write() will always return
immediately and not block the calling process. This does not appear to
be true; but perhaps I am doing something wrong. If I open() a file (on
2.2.18) from a floppy or NFS mount (to test in a slow environment) with
This is on a 450 MHz AMD-K6 with the following IDE controller:
00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586 IDE [Apollo] (rev 06)
There are several people who have reported that the 2.4.0 VIA IDE driver
trashes hard disks like that. The 2.2 one also did this sometimes but only
with
TUX is evidence that khttpd can be done properly and
beat the pants off of anything done in userspace.
Then why don't we unload khttpd and put in Tux?
Tux needs the zero copy patches I believe so zero copy has to precede it
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Frank, could you try what happens with the NMI oopser disabled?
The second major difference I'm immediately aware of is the number of
the reschedule/tlb flush/etc interrupt: 2.2 uses the lowest priority,
2.4 the highest priority.
Im trying to remember what they were, but some APIC versions
The fact that 2.2.x has bad control over capabilities and is messy is NOT
an excuse to screw up forever.
2.2 has a mix of 'can I use' and 'does the cpu have' so using 2.2 as an
example doesnt work
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I want to see the code to handle the apparent VIA DMA bug. At this point,
preferably by just disabling DMA on VIA chipsets or something like that
(if it has only gotten worse since 2.2.x, I'm not interested in seeing any
experimental patches for it during early 2.4.x).
It hasnt gotten worse,
interrupt controllers (io-apic definitely included). Drivers would
generally be better off if they disabled their own chip from sending
interrupts, rather than disabling the interrupt line the chip is on.
That doesn't work very well because the device irq can arrive a measurable
number of
Could you disable both bandaids? I disabled them, no problems so far.
Now back to the disable_irq_nosync().
Ok so it looks like the disable_irq code is buggy. Unfortunately its not
just used for these drivers they are just the heaviest users.
Given that we can see the IRQ is still set on the
I'd like to hear about such reports so that I can start debugging (and
perhaps get me one of those failing boards, they must be quite cheap
these days).
This is one of the most precise reports I have
|The system is an AMD K6-3 on a FIC PA-2013 mobo with 3 IDE disks. The
|size of hda is 4.3
However - Alan's IDE patch for 2.2 kills autodma on ALL VIA chipsets.
That's because all VIA chipsets starting from vt82c586 to vt82c686b
(UDMA100), share the same PCI ID.
I have no reports of problems with the later stuff
Would you prefer to filter just vt82c586 and vt82c586a as the
When i boot the system, X Window doesn't start automatically (but if i boot a
2.2 kernel, it does). This is very strange.
Also, seems like Sendmail waits forever until it starts. But this might be a
network card driver problem (not sure, though).
Its the behaviour changes in 2.4
pc_keyb.c.. I also have the cuecat patch applied, and use it over
the PS/2 mouse port, but I don't think it's interfering.. I doubt
this will be noticable to people not using the "Resolution" option to
speed up the mouse, and mine's rather insane:
Can you tell me if the problem can be
what the bug is, and whether there is some other work-around, and whether
it is 100% certain that it is just those two controllers (maybe the other
ones are buggy too, but the 2.2.x tests basically cured their symptoms too
and peopl ehaven't reported them because they are "fixed").
I've not
The spin_lock_irqsave() is absolutely my preferred fix, and if I remember
correctly this is in fact how some early 2.1.x code fixed the ne2000
driver when the original irq scalability stuff happened (for some time
during development we did not have a working "disable_irq()" AT ALL
interrupt_handler()
{
status = readl(dev-status);
if (status MY_IRQ_DISABLE)
return;
Unfortunately on the 8390 the IRQ statud register is on page 0. The code
on the other CPU might not be on page 0. That means we can't even
if (IDE_PCI_DEVID_EQ(d-devid, DEVID_SIS5513) ||
IDE_PCI_DEVID_EQ(d-devid, DEVID_AEC6260) ||
IDE_PCI_DEVID_EQ(d-devid, DEVID_PIIX4NX) ||
- IDE_PCI_DEVID_EQ(d-devid, DEVID_HPT34X))
+ IDE_PCI_DEVID_EQ(d-devid,
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One of my concerns is that we don't take the ide-floppy driver in a
different direction to the other removeable media drives.
In general the others do it raw via scsi commands and sg.
For Alan Cox, could you back out Sam's patch for now. It will be back
soon.
When the new one is sorted
What does this fix? Things compile just fine without
it and looking at the code it was intended to be of
the original type.
2.4.0-ac has quota fixes (there are bad quota races in 2.4.0) and changes
to support 32bit uid. They aren't in the sparc64 diffs yet and until Linus
has the major bugs
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Slightly delayed because I had take some time out to fall off a horse..
2.4.0-ac11
o Raid5 corruption fix(Neil Brown)
o Add Etrax 'cris' architecture support (Axis)
o APIC
I think, that is not what we need. Once Ingo wrote, that since HTTP
serving can also be viewed as a kind of fileserving, it should be
possible to create a TUX like module for the same framwork, that serves
using the SMB protocol instead of HTTP...
Kernel SMB is basically not a sane idea.
I sent the below patch to Linus earlier today. I didn't copy
any mailing list because it's a bit security-related. Oh well.
Its been in -ac for while but using a define since its a constant
so it not a secret 8)
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if anyone finds a way of dimming the brightness make sure you post!
besides killing the battery, it also makes it hard to use in dark
places such as night flights. i feel as if i'm lighting up the
cabin in these cases.
http://samba.org/picturebook
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I was wondering if someone could tell me where I can find
Xeon Pentium III cpu error messages/codes
In the intel databook. Generally an MCE indicates hardware/power/cooling
issues
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does that mean, if I apply ac11 I have already the same like pre9 patch
plus you patches?
Yes
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Ah, Mr Cox. You are a truly warm and wonderful human being. I can
Thank Tridge not me, all I had to do was ask him the URL 8)
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I seem to be getting more and more patches that have tabs/spaces
broken and line wrap damage. I've dumped a pile in my queue including
some pcmcia support for sh3 and the like
If your patches are getting ignored please mail yourself a copy and
check your mailer works. If you have problems use
way up under Linux, I still have to turn the speakers damn near all the
way up just to hear it with my baseline on the subwoofer. That's not my
concern tho, since I can compensate with the speakers (they have an
excellent amp on them).
Some AC97 codecs have external amplifier controls and
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/2.4/
2.4.0-ac12
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| This replaces our ppc and most net
| protocol diffs
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It's not an incompatibility with the k7 chip, just bad code in
include/asm-i386/string.h. in_interrupt() cannot be called from there.
The string.h code was fine, someone came along and put in a ridiculous loop
in the include dependancies and broke it. Nobody has had the time to untangle
it
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Miles Lane wrote:
Will this chip need any kernel support or
will it just need to be supported in usermode?
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2680013,00.html?chkpt=zdnn_rt_latest
It looks like CPRM on the mainboard.
Its certainly not a new
In the intel databook. Generally an MCE indicates hardware/power/cooling
issues
Doesn't an MCE also cover some hardware memory problems - parity/ECC
issues etc?
Parity/ECC on main memory is reported by the chipset and needs seperate
drivers or apps to handle this
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I have discovered that the hdlc interface in the 2.2.18 kernel is not in
the 2.4.0 kernel. Is there any particular reason for this? Will it be
added in later 2.4.0 kernels?
Its in 2.4.0-ac*
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mean that hotmail doesn't get ECN packets and the connection gets established
just as if you were talking to a plain non-ECN server without a firewall.
gozer IS my firewall. :) beyond it is a modem and a dailup point, my ISPs
LAN and then the innanet. and I tried from it and from a box
In the UK two of the largest ISPs - BT Internet and Freeserve - have
ECN-blocking
firewalls. So does theregister.co.uk for that matter. If I enable ECN
I lose
the ability to send emails to a huge percentage of the people on the
mailing lists
that run on my machine.
These ISPs will
I receive a Kernel oops while copying a file from MO-drive (vfat) with
2048 bytes sector size. There is no problen with ext2 formatted MOs.
I think it happens because the function pointer cfv_file_read of the
struct cvf_format is initialized with null.
This oops is 100% reproducable with
Does Linus or anyone object to raising the ksmg buffer from 16K to 32K?
4/5 systems I have now overflow the buffer during boot before init is
even launched.
Thats just an indication that 2.4.x is currently printking too much crap on
boot
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Linux did not steal the BSD stack. I recall that Alan Cox
politely asked UCB to have it under the GPL, and was refused.
Start with the right history then
Ross Biro did the original Linux networking code. At the time the 386BSD code
was potentially useful but two things occurred
1. I
And one more point for the Janitor's list:
Get rid of superflous irqsave()/irqrestore()'s - in 90% of the cases
either spin_lock_irq() or spin_lock() is sufficient. That's both faster
and better readable.
Expect me to drop any submissions that do this. I'd rather take the two
clock hit in
No. ECN is essential to the continued stability of the Internet. Without
probabilistic queuing (i.e. RED) and ECN the Internet will continue to have
retransmit synchronization and once congested stay congested until people get
frustrated and give it up for a little bit.
Arguably so. In
AFAIK, this hasn't ever been true. I have never had to specifically
enable it at run time.
I was suspicious of that in the old doc but thought I'd leave it in...
Should have asked for feedback on it, but you caught it anyway, thanks!
Here's a patch against the first that simply
Is this really supposed to be done in the HW driver / support code level,
or is it supposed to be done in the protocol (IP / ARP) level??
oops I was half asleep
Driver sets
skb-mac.raw
skb-pkt_type
skb-protocol
(see net/ethernet/eth.c)
skb-h.raw and
If the pci_enable_device() thing is to be added to the drivers, it must
preferently be placed after the checking against RAID attachement.
You cant check the signature until the device has been enabled. Maybe you
could poke the LSI guys and find out how windows PnP stuff handles this.
I think
Do you mean that devices will not be able to indicate support of SG seperately
from hw checksum or that the IP zerocopy will simply ignore devices which
do not have both ?
DECnet assumes that the mac level checksum will detect all errors and does
not have a checksum of its own on data, so
better than i ever got with 2.4 even when only one drive was on a channel.
Right now my k7-2 750 is at 849mhz with a FSB of 114Mhz and PCI at 34Mhz.
Hint: people who overclock machines get suprising odd results and bad stuff
happens. Please dont waste developers time unless you can reproduce
reference to `__buggy_fxsr_alignment'" when trying to do the final
Dont use pgcc 2.95, at least until they fix that 8)
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Cool! I want one. So ... is there any way to know if and when Linux
kernel support will be available? I assume AMD doesn't follow the MPS
1.x standards.
As far as I am aware they will be following the software interface.
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uninlining the code is too high a cost.
I question that. Athlon does branch prediction on call targets, function
calls are cheap. 3dnow saves 25%-50% of cycles on a copy. How many function
calls can be paid for with 1000 cycles or so?
My patch still inlines the standard string
CONFIG_OBSOLETE is checked for by Config.in for a couple of drivers (net and
char), but the only place it seems to be defined is for the ARM architecture.
Is this deliberate? Are some of the older drivers to be phased out?
Should there be a "bool 'Prompt for obsolete code/drivers'
Richard Gooch (devfs author, from Australia) to switch to the American
spelling of the word, for consistency with the rest of the kernel, and
Pardon
include/linux/console_struct.h: unsigned char vc_palette[16*3]; /* Colour
palette for VGA+ */
include/linux/dio.h:#define
Now that on-board ethernet on the lp486e (also known as
lpe486 and as elp486 and as PWS and as `Reuters') works
out of the box under 2.2.19, people started asking about 2.4.
A patch is found at
ftp.XX.kernel.org/.../kernel/people/aeb/lp486e.c-for-2.4.4
It works (has gotten all of two
I disagree. Not a typewriter is part of Unix tradition, and ought to be
retained as a historical reference. It's also an opportunity for the
uninitiated to learn a little more and move a little closer to becoming the
initiated.
Thats fine. Keep it for the
'Install seriously weird
What seems to happen is that the kernel stops seeing interrupts on the
IRQ shared by eth0 (my outside interface) and usb-uhci. I can still
ssh in on eth1, and when I do, syslog contains things like eth0:
Interrupt timed out and usb-uhci griping about devices that failed to
accept new
I got these messages in 2.4.4-ac5, and now in 2.4.4-ac6, when I expire
my news-spool. In 2.4.4, there's no problem expring my newsspool and
running 2 bonnie's in the background.
Yep. I think there are problems with the hpt366 changes. Im trying to get
more data first.
BOFH excuse #24:
I changed the keyboard and looked at the keyboard plugs unsucessful=
ly.
Could this be related to a kernel bug or an userspace issue??? How =
can I
debug it?
I think its kernel related. There are a few other reports of 'my computer
is fine but they keyboard stopped working' with
server (600MHz Celeron), and strange effects occurred with the Davicom DM9102
network card. It was active but apparently VERY slow, 85% packet loss in ping.
I could connect to the machine but could not do anything useful. The system had
to be rebooted into the previous configuration (2.2.12)
(Jakob Kemi)
2.4.3-ac1
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This leads to the dilemma, that trying to avoid further differences between
our LVM releases and the stock kernel code would force us into postponing
the pending LVM 1.0 release accordingly which OTOH is incovenient for the LVM
user base.
In regard to this situation we'ld like to know
I think with the growing acceptance of ReiserFS in the Linux
community, it is tiresome to have to apply a patch again and again
just to get working NFS. 2.2 NFS horrors all over again.
The zero copy patches were basically self contained and tested for 6 months.
The reiserfs NFS hacks are ugly
reserved. This is the fix against 2.4.5pre1. This might explain weird
crashes and reserved twice error messages at boot on highmem systems.
Reserved twice occurs for two known reasons
BIOS reporting the same region twice or overlaps (fixed in -ac sent to Linus)
find_smp_config blindly
Are you referring to Neil Brown's nfs operations patch as being as ugly as
hell, or something else? Just want to understand what you are saying before
arguing.
Andi has sent me some stuff to look at. He listed four implementations and I've
only seen two of them
NFS is ugly as hell, and
is the EXTRAVERSION set properly in Makefile? I use the http://www.bzim=
age.org
intermediate diff (chosen ~40K to ~2M) from ac6 nd I still have
2.4.4-ac6 login prompt (and Makefile says: EXTRAVERSION =3D -ac6).
I forgot to change it
The other thing I noticed is:
I just ran into this last night (I thought all the Athlon chipset bugs had
been fixed in 2.4.4 prior to last night).
Nope..
Anyway, just requesting status, and I'll gladly offer any testing help
that's needed.
Give the current -ac a spin and tell me if it works/doesnt and if not how
it
I have been monitoring the memory usage constantly with the gnome
memory usage meter and noticed that as swap grows it is never freed
back up. I can kill off most of the large applications, such as
The swap handling in 2.4 is somewhat hosed at the moment.
If I turn swap off all together or
I always make mrproper after applying your patches, and I still got exactly the
same problem with nfs that Marek found. There were no errors or warnings during
the compile of the objects in the fs/nfs directory or the linking of nfs.o.
Curious : my build has
#define __ver_filemap_fdatasync
If anyone has any further suggestions/patches to run 2.4.x with K7
chosen optimizations, I'm open to testing.
'Buy an AMD chipset box..'
Seriously at this point I am out of ideas. The prefetch to far effect
explained the old athlon locks (step 1) people reported on all chipsets. It
didnt
Is there a possibility to get debugging messages or register dumps without a
second PC? Or is there a possibility to an unbuffered log write? e.g. write
Not much. You can avoid running syslogk. The one unbuffered log source
is the screen in text mode if not running it via syslogk
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Does NFS server support for one of the included FSes not belong in the
kernel? or is it that a better way is possible and this ugly one should not
be included? If the latter, has anyone told Hans how to do it 'right' so he
can assign someone to the task?
The patch Andi forwarded me for NFS
I'm considering it, but for AGP weirdness reasons. Have the USB bugs been
worked out? I am highly dependant on USB.
Only one stepping of the AMD chip had the USB funnies. AMD released the info
needed to work around it and its now in the tree.
Alan
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o Winbond w9966cf webcam parport driver (Jakob Kemi)
2.4.3-ac1
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Ahmm, 2.4.3 doesn't work. Gives some IDE DMA timeouts on boot. Kernel w=
as
compiled with Pentium-MMX processor setting, but I don't know if that's
enough to disable the Athlon code parts (autodetected at runtime?).
That sounds totally unrelated to any Athlon optimisations
So only working
Supposedly there are some problems with the VIA chipsets, but apparently it
has been better before so I wonder why it is worse now and what the plans are
regarding any improvement?
Until the past few -ac releases we accidentally turned off things on the older
VIA chipsets (with a performance
computer during this time.=20
So I don't know if this has to do with the new networkcard, the new NVIDIA
Driver 0.9-769 I installed yesterday with XFree 4.3 or something else. The =
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