BUG in 2.4.0: dd if=/dev/random of=out.txt bs=10000 count=100

2001-01-12 Thread Rob Landley
If I do the dd line in the title under 2.4.0 I get an out.txt file of 591 bytes. If I do the same thing from /dev/zero, I get the expected 1,000,000 byte file. I've shoehorned 2.4.0 into a fresh red hat 7.0 install which could quite easily be a bad thing, yes ripped out their strange gcc and

Re: BUG in 2.4.0: dd if=/dev/random of=out.txt bs=10000 count=100

2001-01-12 Thread Rob Landley
--- David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Landley wrote: If I do the dd line in the title under 2.4.0 I get an out.txt file of 591 bytes. It isn't broken, you have no more entropy. You must have some system activity of various sorts before you regain some entropy. Moving

qlogicfc.c hard lockups in 2.4.0

2001-01-16 Thread Rob Landley
I've got a 20 drive raid0 set up off of two asus fiber channel controllers using the qlogicfc.c driver. (I think it's a variant of ISP2200.) Dual pentium 866 SMP machine, apparently stable under NT. Half a gig of ram, booting off of a different drive (hanging off of an LSI1010 scsi controller

Re: qlogicfc.c hard lockups in 2.4.0

2001-01-17 Thread Rob Landley
More data: I changed QLOGICFC_REQ_QUEUE_LEN from 127 to 255, and the lockup hasn't happened again yet, in circumstances that fairly reliably reproduced it before. (Could just mean I have to hit it harder.) BUT: I am still getting those "no handle slots, this should not happen" messages.

Re: qlogicfc.c hard lockups in 2.4.0 - solved?

2001-01-17 Thread Rob Landley
I think the hangs were actually CAUSED by the messages being printked. If I make those go away, it stops getting unhappy. (I suspect repeatedly printk-ing stuff from the middle of the scsi layer with interrupts disabled and other fun stuff occuring is not a good thing. Delays something or

2.2.18ac14 yamaha debug output removal patch.

2000-10-02 Thread Rob Landley
The new driver works fine on the box here, produces all sorts of debug gorp to the console though. Most of the unnecessary printk's are commented out, these are the three I've been seeing while playing around with mpg123 and some mp3 files... Other than that, it worked for me... Rob ---

Is there a Linux trademark issue with sun?

2000-12-14 Thread Rob Landley
Heads up everybody. Scott McNealy has apparently been calling Solaris Sun's implementation of Linux. Trademark violation time. The article's here: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-12-14-020-04-NW-CY Quick quote: When asked by a reporter why Sun's new clustering software was

Re: Is there a Linux trademark issue with sun?

2000-12-15 Thread Rob Landley
--- "Jon 'maddog' Hall, Executive Director, Linux International" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Warning: Highly controversial topic ahead. Messenger does not want to be shot] Aw come on, it's traditional. :) This does bring up an interesting situation. The Linux community keeps saying that

Re: Is there a Linux trademark issue with sun?

2000-12-15 Thread Rob Landley
--- Rik van Riel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Rob Landley wrote: people just don't get it, do you? All Linux applications run on Solaris, which is our implementation of Linux. Now ask the question again," I wouldn't worry about this. It's only a question of

Re: Is there a Linux trademark issue with sun?

2000-12-15 Thread Rob Landley
--- Larry McVoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, that's Scooter (all the Sun old timers call him Scooter, I dunno where it came from, I wasn't enough of an old timer). And, yeah, he does a lot of marketing. But in many respects, he's the perfect CEO. He's always out in public, pushing

Re: [OT] Re: Is there a Linux trademark issue with sun?

2000-12-15 Thread Rob Landley
--- Dana Lacoste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he did that at all : (Devil's Advocate time :) Always a fun occupation. :) What he did was say that, while everyone was looking at Linux as the solution to modern computing problems, he didn't need to : he already has Solaris. So

Re: Is there a Linux trademark issue with sun?

2000-12-15 Thread Rob Landley
I am not sure it is a big deal. If you read the comment it was more of an off-the-cuff remark. I doubt anyone would testify in court that McNealy said this. The only way it is something to worry about is if they used it in a printed format (IANAL) Law isn't an all-or-nothing thing.

Re: tighter compression for x86 kernels

2001-01-02 Thread Rob Landley
The UPX team owns all copyright in all of UPX and in each part of UPX. Therefore, the UPX team may choose which license(s), and has chosen two ... This permits using UPX to pack a non-GPL executable. Stupid question time: isn't this what the LGPL was designed to do? The Library GPL, so

Re: CPRM copy protection for ATA drives

2001-01-02 Thread Rob Landley
Its probably very hard to defeat. It also in its current form means you can throw disk defragmenting tools out. Dead, gone. Welcome to the United Police State Of America. Doesn't anybody remember the days of "dongle keys" on the Commodore 64? Plug a special circuit into the joystick port in

Re: CPRM copy protection for ATA drives

2001-01-02 Thread Rob Landley
Andre Hedrick wrote: On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Rob Landley wrote: And we all remember how the pirates got around this, don't we? The easy way: crack the program. Nope...it is embedded to the vender portion of the media. My point was that using this kind of thing to protect applications

Learn from minix: fork ramfs.

2001-01-09 Thread Rob Landley
(Argh! Linus replies to my post and my cc: to the linux-kernel was to rutgers.edu. Teach me to post on three hours of sleep, it's like getting a hole-in-one with nobody around...) Linus said in Re: Patch (repost): cramfs memory corruption fix I wonder what to do about this - the limits are

[Fwd: Learn from minix: fork ramfs.] - linus's reply

2001-01-09 Thread Rob Landley
He replied to my bad cc:, so forwarding this here should be okay... Linus Torvalds wrote: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Rob Landley wrote: So fork ramfs already. Copy the snapshot you like as an educational tool, call it skeletonfs.c or some such, and let the current code evolve

[Fwd: Learn from minix: fork ramfs.] - linus's ACTUAL reply.

2001-01-09 Thread Rob Landley
Okay, the sleep situation has not improved. I'll admit that right now. But it's ABOUT to. G'night... Rob On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Rob Landley wrote: So fork ramfs already. Copy the snapshot you like as an educational tool, call it skeletonfs.c or some such, and let the current code evolve

255.255.255.255 won't broadcast to multiple NICs

2000-11-02 Thread Rob Landley
Under 2.2.16, broadcast packets addressed to 255.255.255.255 do not go out to all interfaces in a machine with multiple network cards. They're getting routed out the default gateway's interface instead. If I ifconfig eth1 down (which has the gateway behind it), I start getting "no route to

Re: 255.255.255.255 won't broadcast to multiple NICs

2000-11-02 Thread Rob Landley
--- Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Landley wrote: Under 2.2.16, broadcast packets addressed to 255.255.255.255 do not go out to all interfaces in a machine with multiple network cards. They're getting routed out the default gateway's interface instead. Are the network

Re: 255.255.255.255 won't broadcast to multiple NICs

2000-11-02 Thread Rob Landley
--- "Richard B. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using an IP packet of 255.255.255.255 doesn't mean it's a broadcast packet. It is going to your default gateway because it is outside your netmask, which guarantees that it is not a broadcast. 1) No, it's still a broadcast packet when it

Re: 255.255.255.255 won't broadcast to multiple NICs

2000-11-03 Thread Rob Landley
--- Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So the question is, is the stack's behavior right? If not, what's involved in fixing it, and if so, is it documented anywhere? I think historically, BSD stacks were routing 255.255.255.255

Re: 255.255.255.255 won't broadcast to multiple NICs

2000-11-03 Thread Rob Landley
--- Paul Flinders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3) Java sucks in many ways. Today's way is that ... There is no way to query the current machine's interfaces without resorting to native code. I faced this problem a while ago - in the end I cheated

Re: 255.255.255.255 won't broadcast to multiple NICs

2000-11-03 Thread Rob Landley
--- Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The source IP address (as returned by getsockname()) is only set when the socket is connected... It follows the same logic: for a multihomed machine, we know which interface will be used only when we know

New rtl8139 driver prevents ssh from exiting.

2001-05-01 Thread Rob Landley
The kernel thread the new rtl8139 driver spawns apparently wants to write to stdout, because it counts as an unfinished process that prevents an ssh session from exiting. I have a script that remotely reconfigures subnets in a vpn, which gets run via an ssh in through eth0 and does, among other

Re: New rtl8139 driver prevents ssh from exiting.

2001-05-01 Thread Rob Landley
--- Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Landley wrote: The kernel thread the new rtl8139 driver spawns apparently wants to write to stdout, because it counts as an unfinished process that prevents an ssh session from exiting. Does this help? --- Andrew Morton [EMAIL

Re: New rtl8139 driver prevents ssh from exiting.

2001-05-01 Thread Rob Landley
--- Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ack. You never said 2.2.19 :( It won't apply... No, but this one did. (Never underestimate the power of somebody with source code, a text editor, and the willingness to totally hose their system.) And it fixed the problem. Thank you. Rob

Re: Break 2.4 VM in five easy steps

2001-06-10 Thread Rob Landley
I realize that assembly is platform-specific. Being that I use the IA32 class machine, that's what I would write for. Others who use other platforms could do the deed for their native language. Meaning we'd still need a good C implementation anyway for the 75% of platforms nobody's going to

Re: Any limitations on bigmem usage?

2001-06-12 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 12 June 2001 12:29, Alan Cox wrote: If your algorithm can work well with say 2Gb windows on the data and only change window evey so often (in computing terms) then it should be ok, if its access is random you need to look at a 64bit box like an Alpha, Sparc64 or eventually IA64

Re: Getting A Patch Into The Kernel

2001-06-12 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 12 June 2001 18:34, Craig Lyons wrote: We have a patch that fixes this and are wondering if it is possible to get this patch into the kernel, and if so, how this would be done? Well, you start by reading this: http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.4/doc/SubmittingPatches.html Which

Hour long timeout to ssh/telnet/ftp to down host?

2001-06-12 Thread Rob Landley
I have scripts that ssh into large numbers of boxes, which are sometimes down. The timeout for figuring out the box is down is over an hour. This is just insane. Telnet and ftp behave similarly, or at least tthey lasted the 5 minutes I was willing to wait, anyway. Basically anything that

Re: Hour long timeout to ssh/telnet/ftp to down host?

2001-06-12 Thread Rob Landley
You can tune things by setting the tcp-timeout probably..I don't know exactly where to set this.. Aha, found it. /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syn_retries I am a victim of the exponential retry falloff, it would seem. syn_retries of 1 takes a few seconds, 3 takes less than half a minute, and 5

Re: Hour long timeout to ssh/telnet/ftp to down host?

2001-06-13 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 13 June 2001 05:40, Luigi Genoni wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Ben Greear wrote: You can tune things by setting the tcp-timeout probably..I don't know exactly where to set this.. /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout default is 60. Never got that far. My problem was actually

Re: [craigl@promise.com: Getting A Patch Into The Kernel] (fwd)

2001-06-13 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 13 June 2001 03:06, Andre Hedrick wrote: No I would not take their code and apply it. I might not even want to look at it. Well, you're maintainer and I'm obviously not, but it's nice to hear you've kept an open mind on this issue. :) All I want is the API rules to the

Re: Configure.help entries for Bluetooth (updated)

2001-06-13 Thread Rob Landley
Okay, I'll bite. What's HCI stand for? I'm guessing it ends in Connection Interface, but the H has me stumped. Happy? Hostile? Hysterical? Hippopotamus? If we're connecting a bluetooth compliant hippopotamus to Linux, I can only hope there's an RFC somewhere explaining how to do it.

Re: Download process for a split kernel (was: obsolete code must die)

2001-06-14 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 14 June 2001 08:14, David Luyer wrote: Well, I'm actually looking at the 2nd idea I mentioned in my e-mail -- a very small kernel package which has a config script, a list of config options and the files they depend on and an appropriately tagged CVS tree which can then be used

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-19 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 19 June 2001 12:52, Larry McVoy wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 05:26:09PM +0100, Matthew Kirkwood wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Larry McVoy wrote: ``Think of it this way: threads are like salt, not like pasta. You like salt, I like salt, we all like salt. But we eat more

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 07:25, Aaron Lehmann wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:47AM +, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: Just the fact that some people use Java (or any other language) does not mean, that they don't care about performance, system-design or any elegance whatsoever

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 19 June 2001 19:31, Timur Tabi wrote: Amen. This is one of the reasons why I also prefer OS/2 over Linux. Preferred. OS/2's day has come and gone. IBM killed it with a stupid diversion into the power PC version between 1993 and 1995. By the time Windows 95 was released, MS had

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 10:35, Mike Porter wrote: But that foregoes the point that the code is far more complex and harder to make 'obviously correct', a concept that *does* translate well to userspace. One point is that 'obviously correct' is much harder to 'prove' for threads (or

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 12:53, Larry McVoy wrote: We couldn't believe that Java was really that bad so our GUI guy, Aaron Kushner, sat down and rewrote the revision history browser in Java. On a 500 node graph, the Java tool was up to 85MB. The tk tool doing the same thing was 5MB. Note

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 15:27, Mike Harrold wrote: Martin Dalecki wrote: Blah blah blah. The performance of the Transmeta CPU SUCKS ROCKS. No matter what they try to make you beleve. A venerable classical desing like the Geode outperforms them in any terms. There is simple significant

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 15:53, Martin Dalecki wrote: Mike Harrold wrote: Well the transmeta cpu isn't cheap actually. Any processor's cheap once it's got enough volume. That's an effect not a cause. And if you talk about super computing, hmm what about some PowerPC CPU variant - they

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 17:20, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Rob Landley writes: My only real gripe with Linux's threads right now [...] is that ps and top and such aren't thread aware and don't group them right. I'm told they added some kind of threadgroup field to processes

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 18:07, J . A . Magallon wrote: On 20010620 Rob Landley wrote: What do you worry about caches if every bytecode turns into a jump and more code ? 'cause the jump may be overlappable with extra execution cores in RISC and VLIW? I must admit, I've never actually seen

Re: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 18:31, Daniel Phillips wrote: On Wednesday 20 June 2001 23:33, Rik van Riel wrote: On 20 Jun 2001, Miles Lane wrote: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092935,00.html Yes, he sure knows how to bring Linux to the attention of people ;) Not to

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 20:42, D. Stimits wrote: Rob Landley wrote: ...snip... The patches-linus-actuall-applies mailing list idea is based on how Linus says he works: he appends patches he likes to a file and then calls patch -p1 thatfile after a mail reading session. It wouldn't

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-21 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 23:13, Pete Zaitcev wrote: Then again JavaOS was an abortion on top of Slowaris. [...] This is a false statemenet, Rob. It was an abortion, all right, but not related to Solaris in any way at all. I worked on the sucker for six months at IBM in 1997. I don't know

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-21 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 21 June 2001 10:02, Jesse Pollard wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 20 June 2001 17:20, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Rob Landley writes: My only real gripe with Linux's threads right now [...] is that ps and top and such aren't thread aware and don't group

Idea: Patches-from-linus mailing list? (Was Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads))

2001-06-21 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 21:57, D. Stimits wrote: MySQL is just a sample. I mention it because it is quite easy to link a web server to. Imagine patch running on a large file that is a conglomeration of 50 small patches; it could easily summarize this, and storing it through MySQL adds a

Re: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-06-21 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 21 June 2001 04:37, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: Devils' advocate position: If Linux would not be under GPL but under BSD license, M$ may have already done so. But consider them porting one of their monster applications and release it just to find out that they've linked to

Re: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-06-21 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 21 June 2001 04:50, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ooh, do I get to say I told you so? (LinuxToday buried my submission way back under a blurb about caldera, but still...) And the quote of stealing the TCP stack from BSD is still wrong

Re: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-06-21 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 21 June 2001 17:49, Schilling, Richard wrote: -Original Message- From: Rob Landley Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:25 AM [snip] BSD forked to death in the 80's. Everybody from ATT to Sun to IBM who saw money in it spun off their own incompatable, proprietary

Re: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-06-22 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 21 June 2001 18:49, Alan Cox wrote: Except that Apple keeps the old code open. Probably because they'll gain nothing from it, and at best, they can appeal to the techies. A company that seems to write 'you shall not work on open source projects in your spare time' into its

Re: Controversy over dynamic linking -- how to end the panic

2001-06-22 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 21 June 2001 14:46, Timur Tabi wrote: 1. License the Linux kernel under a different license that is effectively the GPL but with additional text that clarifies the binary module issue. Unfortunately, this license cannot be called the GPL. Politically, this would probably be a

Fair Use (Was Re: Controversy over dynamic linking -- how to end the panic)

2001-06-22 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 21 June 2001 16:34, Craig Milo Rogers wrote: The in-core kernel image, including a dynamically-loaded driver, is clearly a derived work per copyright law. As above, the portion consisting only of the dynamically-loaded driver's binary code may or may not be a derived work

Re: Maintainers master list?

2001-06-23 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 22 June 2001 17:19, Timur Tabi wrote: ** Reply to message from Eric S. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:09:45 -0400 What happens now when somebody takes over responsibility for a file or subsystem and the MAINTAINERS file doesn't get patched, either because that

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 13:57, Mike Jagdis wrote: I hope the following adds a more direct perspective on this, as I was a user at the time. I was _almost_ at university :-). However I do have a first edition of the IBM Xenix Software Development Guide from december 1984. It has '84 IBM

Re: Missing help entries in 2.4.6pre5

2001-06-23 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 22 June 2001 10:00, Wichert Akkerman wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric S. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're a bit irritated. That's good. I *want* people who don't write help entries for their configuration symbols to be a bit irritated. That way, they might get

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 22 June 2001 18:41, Alan Chandler wrote: I am not subscribed to the list, but I scan the archives and saw the following. Please cc e-mail me in followups. I've had several requests to start a mailing list on this, actually... Might do so in a bit... I was working (and still am)

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-23 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 22 June 2001 10:46, Mikulas Patocka wrote: I did some threaded programming on OS/2 and it was real pain. The main design flaw in OS/2 API is that thread can be blocked only on one condition. There is no way thread can wait for more events. For example Sure. But you know what a

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 17:41, J . A . Magallon wrote: On 20010622 Rob Landley wrote: I still consider the difference between threads and processes with shared resources (memory, fds, etc) to be largely semantic. They should not be the same. Processes are processes, and threads were designed

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 20:13, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That would be the X version of emacs. And there's the explanation for the split between GNU and X emacs: it got forked and the closed-source version had a vew years of divergent development

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 23:07, Mike Castle wrote: On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:41:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some of those weird-sized RT AIX manuals around

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 20:49, John Adams wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2001 10:07, Rob Landley wrote: Here's what I'm looking for: AIX was first introduced for the IBM RT/PC in 1986, which came out of the early RISC research. It was ported to PS/2 and S/370 by SAA, and was based

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some of those weird-sized RT AIX manuals around somewhere... Wayne Ooh! Old manuals! Would you be willing to

Re: The Joy of Forking

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 09:46, Luigi Genoni wrote: no SMP x86 only (and similar, e.g. Crusoe) Is this a joke? I hope it is. Luigi Nah, I think it's an intentional troll. Either that or somebody who's So naieve they honestly think that having different text mode and binary mode

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't researched it yet though...) GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. Ah, the DR-DOS

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 18:30, J . A . Magallon wrote: Take a programmer comming from other system to linux. If he wants multi- threading and protable code, he will choose pthreads. And you say to him: do it with 'clone', it is better. Answer: non protable. Again: do it with fork(), it is

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 21:45, Jeff Dike wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Licklidder wasn't just a bigwig behind arpanet, he also kicked off project mac at MIT. You're right, but you could at least spell his name right - J. C. R. Licklider. Jeff (who was his last

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 19:50, Larry McVoy wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 12:30:02AM +0200, J . A . Magallon wrote: They use fork(). They port their app to solaris. The performance sucks. It is not Solaris fault. It is linux fast fork() ... One for the quotes page, eh? We're terribly

Re: Microsoft and Xenix - Now there's a mailing list for this discussion.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 18:41, Chris Meadors wrote: Okay, I brushed on GEOS, Microsoft, Xenix, and even Linux. So I'm as on topic as the rest of this thread. I just have never told my story on l-k, and this seemed a good place to put a little of it in. :) -Chris I just created a mailing

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 22:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but I'm hanging on to my old computer manuals. The AIX manuals in particular have sentimemtal value for me. Entirely undersandable. Would you be willing to xerox any introduction or about sections? OTOH, I have quite a few old

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 11:13, you wrote: 1937 claude shannon A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits, 1948 claude shannon A mathematical theory of information. without those you're kind in trouble on the computing front... Yeah, I know I've bumped into that name (and probably

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 13:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, If you're really keen on old mags and manuals I'll go up to attic and look around. I know there are old SCO Xenix TCP/IP, as well as Byte and Dr Dobbs Ooh! Yes! Very much so. Thanks, Rob The mailing list for this discussion

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
in Edinburgh,Scotland On 25 Jun 2001, Kai Henningsen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Landley) wrote on 24.06.01 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now if somebody here could just point me to a decent reference on A/UX - Apple's mid-80's version of Unix (for the early macintosh, I believe...) http

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 15:23, Kai Henningsen wrote: The AS/400 is still going strong. It's a virtual machine based on a relational database (among other things), mostly programmed in COBOL (I think the C compiler has sizeof(void*) == 16 or something like that, so you can put a database

Re: Fwd: Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 26 June 2001 08:57, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Ah, fame at last :-) You seem to have been inexplicably excluded from a quarter century of unix by peter salus. (You're not in the index, anyway.) Haven't read life with unix yet... I'm not on the linux-kernel list but a friend

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 26 June 2001 12:15, Daniel Phillips wrote: On Tuesday 26 June 2001 17:15, Joel Jaeggli wrote: On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jocelyn Mayer wrote: you get DR-DOS = Digital Research DOS, then you get Novell DOS, then you get Caldera OpenDOS, currently opendos is owned by lineo Yes, and

Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.

2001-06-29 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 28 June 2001 14:36, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: You know what I hate? Debugging stuff like BIOS-e820, zone messages, dentry|buffer|page-cache hash table entries, CPU: Before vendor init, CPU: After vendor init, etc etc, PCI: Probing PCI hardware, ip_conntrack (256 buckets, 2048

Re: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-06-29 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 29 June 2001 15:11, Clayton, Mark wrote: -Original Message- From: Paul Fulghum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM To: Pavel Machek; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Schilling, Richard; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Henning P. Schmiedehausen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The SUID bit (was Re: [PATCH] more SAK stuff)

2001-07-06 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 05 July 2001 21:45, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Oh, cry me a river. You can set the RUID, EUID, SUID, and FUID in that same parent process or after you fork(). Okay, I'll bite. The file user ID is fine, the effective user ID is what the suid bit sets to root of course, the saved

2.4.6 APM suspend kills Dell inspiron 3500 sound card, but revives network card.

2001-07-06 Thread Rob Landley
My devices on my laptop work very strangely with kernel 2.4.6. -- Sound problems: The sound card on my laptop (Dell Inspiron 3500) works fine when the system first boots up, but stops working with the first suspend. Any attempt to write sound to it after that blocks indefinitely. I don't

Original destination of transparent proxied connections?

2001-03-29 Thread Rob Landley
Help. I thought transparent proxying would allow some means for the recipient of the proxied connections to find out what their original destination port and socket address were. This does not seem to be the case. The socket structure only has one address and one socket, and those have the

Re: Original destination of transparent proxied connections?

2001-03-29 Thread Rob Landley
Yeah, I found it. While researching replacing the 2.2 kernel with 2.4 to get my proxy-oid to work, I stumbled accross the following section in the unofficial NAT-HOWTO (which is not on linuxdoc's website as far as I can tell). At this address:

SIS 5513/IBM Deskstar HDIO_SET_DMA Operation not permitted?

2001-04-03 Thread Rob Landley
2.2 allowed me to set DMA on an SIS 5513 using an IBM Deskstar 40 gig IDE. 2.4 goes "Operation not permitted" when I try it. Why? I hit it with ide0=ata66 in lilo, and it sped up from 3 megs/sec to 5 megs/second, but I used to get 12. hdparm /dev/hda still says I'm not using DMA. I realise

Re: Original destination of transparent proxied connections?

2001-04-03 Thread Rob Landley
--- Rusty Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Summary: you had to use a *search engine* to find an obscure piece of coding information. Actually, I had to use a search engine to find a tangentially related howto that halfway through mentioned something in passing which gave me a clue of

Repeatable hang in 2.4.3 with 4 ide drives.

2001-04-03 Thread Rob Landley
I'm trying to make 3 copies of a 40 gig IBM deskstar IDE drive. I've got red hat 7 booted into single user mode, doing the following: cat /dev/hda | count | tee /dev/hdb | tee /dev/hdc /dev/hdd The copy seems to work fine if I never let the console blank. I copied 2 gigs worth of data (at

How do I make a circular pipe?

2001-04-13 Thread Rob Landley
How do I do the following: # -- pppd notty | pppoe -I eth1 | -- |_| I.E. connect the stdout of a process (or chain thereof) to its own stdin? So I wrote a program to do it, along the lines of: sixty-nine /bin/sh -c "pppd notty | pppoe -I eth1" With an

Re: How do I make a circular pipe?

2001-04-14 Thread Rob Landley
Apparently, the pipe fd's evaporate when the process does an execve. Check out: #include unistd.h #include fcntl.h /* ... */ fcntl (fd, F_SETFD, (long) FD_CLOEXEC); to set/reset the close on exec bit. Cool. That's EXACTLY what I was looking

Re: somebody dropped a (warning) bomb

2007-02-13 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 2:25 pm, Linus Torvalds wrote: THE FACT IS, THAT strlen() IS DEFINED UNIVERSALLY AS TAKING char *. That BY DEFINITION means that strlen() cannot care about the sign, because the sign IS NOT DEFINED UNIVERSALLY! And if you cannot accept that fact, it's your

[patch] Don't assume arguments to init have no period in them.

2007-02-22 Thread Rob Landley
Signed-off-by: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] The kernel assumes that nobody will ever legitimately feed in a kernel command line option with a period in it, and the kernel is wrong: I'm feeding the path to a script as an argument to my init program, the name of the script ends in .sh. I've

Menuconfig has butterfly effects?

2007-02-27 Thread Rob Landley
I ran make ARCH=x86_64 menuconfig, did a lot of editing, and saved the .config. Then I copied that to a backup, ran make oldconfig on the config I'd just saved, and compared it with the backup: --- .config 2007-02-27 18:10:01.0 -0500 +++ tryit 2007-02-27 18:09:09.0

Re: Menuconfig has butterfly effects?

2007-02-28 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 6:43 pm, Gregor Jasny wrote: Hi, 2007/2/28, Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I ran make ARCH=x86_64 menuconfig, did a lot of editing, and saved the .config. Then I copied that to a backup, ran make oldconfig on the I'd try with make ARCH=x86_64 oldconfig I

Re: Menuconfig has butterfly effects?

2007-02-28 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 6:36 pm, Randy Dunlap wrote: The first hunk I expect, the second I did not. Anybody care to venture a guess why the visibility logic is unstable? can we get .config^Wtryit ? (version 0, not version 1) Unfortunately, the first .config was generated by me

Powerpc build unhappy in 2.6.20.4?

2007-03-30 Thread Rob Landley
So doing: make ARCH=powerpc CROSS=powerpc- Chugs along fine for a while, but then it ends with: MODPOST vmlinux ln: accessing `arch/powerpc/boot/zImage': No such file or directory make[1]: *** [arch/powerpc/boot/zImage] Error 1 make: *** [zImage] Error 2 I.E. it builds vmlinux,

Re: Powerpc build unhappy in 2.6.20.4?

2007-04-02 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 02 April 2007 8:51 pm, Tony Breeds wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:14:14PM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: Sure, quite easily the source of the trouble. Attached in both full .config and mini.config formats. Okay, I have no idea how it happend but you seem to have an invalid

Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival

2007-09-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 1:03:09 pm Tim Bird wrote: Recently, the CE Linux forum has been working to revive the Linux-tiny project. At OLS, I asked for interested parties to volunteer to become the new maintainer for the Linux-tiny patchset. A few candidates came forward, but

Re: User Mode Linux still broken in 2.6.23.1

2007-11-14 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 12:54:44 Greg KH wrote: On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 11:51:50PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote: Building with the attached .config on x86-64, it does this: CC arch/um/kernel/smp.o In file included from include/asm/arch/tlb.h:11, from include

Re: User Mode Linux still broken in 2.6.23.1

2007-11-15 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 15 November 2007 00:02:55 Greg KH wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 11:58:15PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote: On Wednesday 14 November 2007 12:54:44 Greg KH wrote: On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 11:51:50PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote: Building with the attached .config on x86-64, it does

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