Hi, Bill.
Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 09:16:01AM -0400:
[]
> >Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years ago.
>
> So anything that wasn't implemented a decade ago is not useful? Virtual
> machines, software raid, fair scheduling, jumbo packets, SMT/SMP/NUMA
> support, support
Alan Cox wrote:
Jan's code is here today and it works fine for me. How can you
coherently argue against the plain fact that his feature solves my
usecases perfectly fine,
So add a notifier for console printk output. Then you can keep whatever
out of kernel patches you like for printk output
Oleg Verych wrote:
Hallo, Ingo.
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:07:07AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
To clarify. `Scrollback' here is *useful* scrollback during early boot
and OOPs (which is absent, AFAIK), "nothing like that" is coloring of the
messages by loglevel.
even if it were true (which it
Oleg Verych wrote:
Hallo, Ingo.
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:07:07AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
To clarify. `Scrollback' here is *useful* scrollback during early boot
and OOPs (which is absent, AFAIK), nothing like that is coloring of the
messages by loglevel.
even if it were true (which it
Alan Cox wrote:
Jan's code is here today and it works fine for me. How can you
coherently argue against the plain fact that his feature solves my
usecases perfectly fine,
So add a notifier for console printk output. Then you can keep whatever
out of kernel patches you like for printk output
Hi, Bill.
Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 09:16:01AM -0400:
[]
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years ago.
So anything that wasn't implemented a decade ago is not useful? Virtual
machines, software raid, fair scheduling, jumbo packets, SMT/SMP/NUMA
support, support for
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:56:09PM +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>
> On Oct 7 2007 21:13, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> >There are two distinct populations :
> > - those [...]
> >who would never have imagined that pressing Escape
> >during the boot of windows 3.1/95 provided them with the full
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:47:25PM +0200, Oleg Verych wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:13:09PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
> > > On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >
> > > >* Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
On Monday 08 October 2007 00:10:10 Rene Herman wrote:
> I find Alan's suggestion to provide the functionality the same way you'd
> provide for translated kernel messages (seeing as how there also are people
> that want those) much more sensible.
By the way, I agree that this is the best approach.
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 01:01:33AM +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>
> On Oct 8 2007 01:02, Oleg Verych wrote:
> >
> >If you are not going to see OOPes of new kernels running old distros, ask
> >any perl hacker (as they lovely mentioned in lkml) to hack for you
> >something like:
> >
> >sed -u -e '
On Monday 08 October 2007 00:10:10 Rene Herman wrote:
> On 10/08/2007 12:40 AM, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
> > Splash screens are clearly cosmetic, and it's kind of shameful (imo) that
> > important messages explaining real problems are obscured from view by
> > functionless splash screens.
>
>
> is bogus, they're very functionally separable ideas. A coloured oops seems to
> be a good way of telling novice users what information is relevant to their
> bug report.
Unless they are colour blind or on a system like a PDA with a mono
display 8)
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On 10/08/2007 12:40 AM, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
Splash screens are clearly cosmetic, and it's kind of shameful (imo) that
important messages explaining real problems are obscured from view by
functionless splash screens.
They're not functionless. You (and I) might not care for the
On Sunday 07 October 2007 20:13:09 you wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
> > On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >* Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
> > >>ago.
> > >
> >
On Oct 8 2007 01:02, Oleg Verych wrote:
>
>If you are not going to see OOPes of new kernels running old distros, ask
>any perl hacker (as they lovely mentioned in lkml) to hack for you
>something like:
>
>sed -u -e '
>/^<1/s_^_'$COLOR1'_
>/^<2/s_^_'$COLOR2'_
>/^<3/s_^_'$COLOR3'_
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:11:54PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I would say that while I'm not particularly fond of flashy colors
> > everywhere, I think that being able to use colors to indicate
> > particular actions in progress or conditions
> Jan's code is here today and it works fine for me. How can you
> coherently argue against the plain fact that his feature solves my
> usecases perfectly fine,
So add a notifier for console printk output. Then you can keep whatever
out of kernel patches you like for printk output in chinese,
* Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > For instance, anyone who has experienced read errors on and IDE disk
> > knows that it can literally take hours/days to boot, after
> > displaying thousands of messages. Here, having the ability to see
> > that no IRQ was assigned or something like
* Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would say that while I'm not particularly fond of flashy colors
> everywhere, I think that being able to use colors to indicate
> particular actions in progress or conditions can be a good thing. RAID
> errors, devices disabled due to
On 10/07/2007 10:04 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 7 2007 22:00, Rene Herman wrote:
On 10/07/2007 09:56 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Some is good, as long as it is not excessive. While I could imagine that
Knoppix will abuse the feature and use vt.printk_color=9,9,9,9,11,10,12, this
is not
On 10/07/2007 09:56 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Some is good, as long as it is not excessive. While I could imagine that
Knoppix will abuse the feature and use vt.printk_color=9,9,9,9,11,10,12,
this is not what serious people would do.
[1] http://tinyurl.com/yr9zgq
[2]
On Oct 7 2007 21:27, Rene Herman wrote:
>
> I saw you remark on FB console in a reply to Alan just now and I
> quite agree with you. The (current) FB console is slow and I'll add
> "dumb" myself. When you have a 1280x1024 screen available, you get
> to do cool things like put up nice little
On Oct 7 2007 22:00, Rene Herman wrote:
> On 10/07/2007 09:56 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>
>> Some is good, as long as it is not excessive. While I could imagine that
>> Knoppix will abuse the feature and use vt.printk_color=9,9,9,9,11,10,12, this
>> is not what serious people would do.
>>
>> [1]
On 10/07/2007 09:13 PM, Willy Tarreau wrote:
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
But well, there actually have been worse arguments given that VGA console
is getting less and less important. I recently did a perusal of alternative
distributions and didn't find a
On Oct 7 2007 21:13, Willy Tarreau wrote:
>There are two distinct populations :
> - those [...]
>who would never have imagined that pressing Escape
>during the boot of windows 3.1/95 provided them with the full text
>messages.
This is news to me. DOS always showed messages, and
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:13:09PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
> > On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > >* Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >>Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16
On 10/07/2007 08:58 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 7 2007 20:47, Rene Herman wrote:
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
ago.
Congratulations, this is the most stupid argument i've ever read on lkml.
"Ay. World is finished. Everyone can go home and watch
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
> On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> >* Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
> >>ago.
> >
> >Congratulations, this is the most stupid argument i've
On Oct 7 2007 20:47, Rene Herman wrote:
>
>> > Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
>> > ago.
>>
>> Congratulations, this is the most stupid argument i've ever read on lkml.
>
> "Ay. World is finished. Everyone can go home and watch Friends reruns now."
>
> But
On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
ago.
Congratulations, this is the most stupid argument i've ever read on
lkml.
"Ay. World is finished. Everyone can go home and watch
On Oct 7 2007 13:10, Oleg Verych wrote:
>This `scrollback' is usual late boot / console one. If fact useful,
>until first tty switch or if `screen` cannot be used. But for some
>reason if scrolling region (DECSTBM) is less than whole screen, nothing
>works.
Actually, scrolling begins to work
* Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > even if it were true (which it isnt), that is not an argument
> > against including a useful change that exists now and that people
> > are interested in.
>
> Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
> ago.
* Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
even if it were true (which it isnt), that is not an argument
against including a useful change that exists now and that people
are interested in.
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
ago.
Congratulations, this is
On Oct 7 2007 13:10, Oleg Verych wrote:
This `scrollback' is usual late boot / console one. If fact useful,
until first tty switch or if `screen` cannot be used. But for some
reason if scrolling region (DECSTBM) is less than whole screen, nothing
works.
Actually, scrolling begins to work once
On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
ago.
Congratulations, this is the most stupid argument i've ever read on
lkml.
Ay. World is finished. Everyone can go home and watch
On Oct 7 2007 20:47, Rene Herman wrote:
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
ago.
Congratulations, this is the most stupid argument i've ever read on lkml.
Ay. World is finished. Everyone can go home and watch Friends reruns now.
But well, there actually
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
ago.
Congratulations, this is the most stupid argument i've ever read on
On 10/07/2007 08:58 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 7 2007 20:47, Rene Herman wrote:
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
ago.
Congratulations, this is the most stupid argument i've ever read on lkml.
Ay. World is finished. Everyone can go home and watch
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:13:09PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
ago.
On 10/07/2007 09:13 PM, Willy Tarreau wrote:
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
But well, there actually have been worse arguments given that VGA console
is getting less and less important. I recently did a perusal of alternative
distributions and didn't find a
On Oct 7 2007 21:13, Willy Tarreau wrote:
There are two distinct populations :
- those [...]
who would never have imagined that pressing Escape
during the boot of windows 3.1/95 provided them with the full text
messages.
This is news to me. DOS always showed messages, and under
On 10/07/2007 09:56 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Some is good, as long as it is not excessive. While I could imagine that
Knoppix will abuse the feature and use vt.printk_color=9,9,9,9,11,10,12,
this is not what serious people would do.
[1] http://tinyurl.com/yr9zgq
[2]
On Oct 7 2007 21:27, Rene Herman wrote:
I saw you remark on FB console in a reply to Alan just now and I
quite agree with you. The (current) FB console is slow and I'll add
dumb myself. When you have a 1280x1024 screen available, you get
to do cool things like put up nice little windows and
On Oct 7 2007 22:00, Rene Herman wrote:
On 10/07/2007 09:56 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Some is good, as long as it is not excessive. While I could imagine that
Knoppix will abuse the feature and use vt.printk_color=9,9,9,9,11,10,12, this
is not what serious people would do.
[1]
On 10/07/2007 10:04 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 7 2007 22:00, Rene Herman wrote:
On 10/07/2007 09:56 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
Some is good, as long as it is not excessive. While I could imagine that
Knoppix will abuse the feature and use vt.printk_color=9,9,9,9,11,10,12, this
is not
* Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would say that while I'm not particularly fond of flashy colors
everywhere, I think that being able to use colors to indicate
particular actions in progress or conditions can be a good thing. RAID
errors, devices disabled due to command-line
* Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For instance, anyone who has experienced read errors on and IDE disk
knows that it can literally take hours/days to boot, after
displaying thousands of messages. Here, having the ability to see
that no IRQ was assigned or something like this
Jan's code is here today and it works fine for me. How can you
coherently argue against the plain fact that his feature solves my
usecases perfectly fine,
So add a notifier for console printk output. Then you can keep whatever
out of kernel patches you like for printk output in chinese,
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:11:54PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would say that while I'm not particularly fond of flashy colors
everywhere, I think that being able to use colors to indicate
particular actions in progress or conditions can be a
On Oct 8 2007 01:02, Oleg Verych wrote:
If you are not going to see OOPes of new kernels running old distros, ask
any perl hacker (as they lovely mentioned in lkml) to hack for you
something like:
sed -u -e '
/^1/s_^_'$COLOR1'_
/^2/s_^_'$COLOR2'_
/^3/s_^_'$COLOR3'_
/^4/s_^_'$COLOR4'_
On Sunday 07 October 2007 20:13:09 you wrote:
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years
ago.
Congratulations, this
On 10/08/2007 12:40 AM, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
Splash screens are clearly cosmetic, and it's kind of shameful (imo) that
important messages explaining real problems are obscured from view by
functionless splash screens.
They're not functionless. You (and I) might not care for the
is bogus, they're very functionally separable ideas. A coloured oops seems to
be a good way of telling novice users what information is relevant to their
bug report.
Unless they are colour blind or on a system like a PDA with a mono
display 8)
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On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 01:01:33AM +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 8 2007 01:02, Oleg Verych wrote:
If you are not going to see OOPes of new kernels running old distros, ask
any perl hacker (as they lovely mentioned in lkml) to hack for you
something like:
sed -u -e '
On Monday 08 October 2007 00:10:10 Rene Herman wrote:
On 10/08/2007 12:40 AM, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
Splash screens are clearly cosmetic, and it's kind of shameful (imo) that
important messages explaining real problems are obscured from view by
functionless splash screens.
They're
On Monday 08 October 2007 00:10:10 Rene Herman wrote:
I find Alan's suggestion to provide the functionality the same way you'd
provide for translated kernel messages (seeing as how there also are people
that want those) much more sensible.
By the way, I agree that this is the best approach.
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:47:25PM +0200, Oleg Verych wrote:
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:13:09PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:47:52PM +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
On 10/07/2007 06:12 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Coloring
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:56:09PM +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Oct 7 2007 21:13, Willy Tarreau wrote:
There are two distinct populations :
- those [...]
who would never have imagined that pressing Escape
during the boot of windows 3.1/95 provided them with the full text
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