Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-25 Thread bert hubert
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 07:47:45PM -0400, Karim Yaghmour wrote: > Now if only I could remember what I talked about after I left the Black > Thorn at 2h45am and the guy in the elevator at Les Suites pressed on a > button and said "'M' for more beer" ... I bet in involved 'M' for more markers,

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-25 Thread Karim Yaghmour
Christoph Hellwig wrote: > That beein said I wish LTT folks would make a little more progress so > we could actually include it. We're working on it. On the topic of revamping LTT, 3 different people came up with 3 different implementations. Following your feedback on the patch I sent a few

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-25 Thread Karim Yaghmour
Christoph Hellwig wrote: That beein said I wish LTT folks would make a little more progress so we could actually include it. We're working on it. On the topic of revamping LTT, 3 different people came up with 3 different implementations. Following your feedback on the patch I sent a few weeks

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-25 Thread bert hubert
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 07:47:45PM -0400, Karim Yaghmour wrote: Now if only I could remember what I talked about after I left the Black Thorn at 2h45am and the guy in the elevator at Les Suites pressed on a button and said 'M' for more beer ... I bet in involved 'M' for more markers, Karim

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-23 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 01:01:32PM -0700, Paul Jackson wrote: > Another vote in favor of relayfs here ... > > I am reminded by my good colleagues at SGI that relayfs is a key > to the Linux Trace Toolkit (LTT), which is in turn an important > technology for some product(s) on which SGI is

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-23 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 01:01:32PM -0700, Paul Jackson wrote: Another vote in favor of relayfs here ... I am reminded by my good colleagues at SGI that relayfs is a key to the Linux Trace Toolkit (LTT), which is in turn an important technology for some product(s) on which SGI is working. I

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-22 Thread Paul Jackson
Another vote in favor of relayfs here ... I am reminded by my good colleagues at SGI that relayfs is a key to the Linux Trace Toolkit (LTT), which is in turn an important technology for some product(s) on which SGI is working. It is uses such as this which speak to the value of including relayfs

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-22 Thread Paul Jackson
Another vote in favor of relayfs here ... I am reminded by my good colleagues at SGI that relayfs is a key to the Linux Trace Toolkit (LTT), which is in turn an important technology for some product(s) on which SGI is working. It is uses such as this which speak to the value of including relayfs

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-20 Thread Paul Jackson
Bert wrote: > the diskstat tools require relayfs That way might lay the real value of relayfs, as a common technology basis for specific tools that are developed and maintained on top of relayfs. -- I won't rest till it's the best ... Programmer, Linux

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-20 Thread bert hubert
> > When I'm debugging something requiring detailed tracing, I don't want > to have to think about whether the tracing tool has the particular > behaviour, performance, data loss, and other such characteristics > needed for my immediate needs. It is easier to code up some little > ad hoc

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-20 Thread Paul Jackson
Steve wrote: > The reason I would like to see this merged, so kernel hackers don't need > to constantly write there own logging buffers everytime you need to > debug a complex area of the kernel. But I doubt that relayfs, or anything resembling it, will accomplish this purpose, at least for some

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-20 Thread Paul Jackson
Steve wrote: The reason I would like to see this merged, so kernel hackers don't need to constantly write there own logging buffers everytime you need to debug a complex area of the kernel. But I doubt that relayfs, or anything resembling it, will accomplish this purpose, at least for some of

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-20 Thread bert hubert
When I'm debugging something requiring detailed tracing, I don't want to have to think about whether the tracing tool has the particular behaviour, performance, data loss, and other such characteristics needed for my immediate needs. It is easier to code up some little ad hoc mechanism

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-20 Thread Paul Jackson
Bert wrote: the diskstat tools require relayfs That way might lay the real value of relayfs, as a common technology basis for specific tools that are developed and maintained on top of relayfs. -- I won't rest till it's the best ... Programmer, Linux

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-18 Thread Steven Rostedt
On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 21:45 +0200, bert hubert wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Tom Zanussi wrote: > > > It is racey - in this mode, there's nothing to keep the kernel from > > writing as much as it wants before the user side has a chance to read > > any of it. The only way

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-18 Thread Steven Rostedt
On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 21:45 +0200, bert hubert wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Tom Zanussi wrote: It is racey - in this mode, there's nothing to keep the kernel from writing as much as it wants before the user side has a chance to read any of it. The only way this can be

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-17 Thread Tom Zanussi
bert hubert writes: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Tom Zanussi wrote: > > > It is racey - in this mode, there's nothing to keep the kernel from > > writing as much as it wants before the user side has a chance to read > > any of it. The only way this can be used safely is to

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-17 Thread bert hubert
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Tom Zanussi wrote: > It is racey - in this mode, there's nothing to keep the kernel from > writing as much as it wants before the user side has a chance to read > any of it. The only way this can be used safely is to make sure the > kernel side isn't

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-17 Thread Tom Zanussi
bert hubert writes: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 06:13:55PM -0500, Tom Zanussi wrote: > > > relayfs itself only provides the buffering and file operations along > > with the kernel API for clients as documented in > > Documentation/filesystems/relayfs.txt. Applications still need some > >

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-17 Thread Tom Zanussi
bert hubert writes: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 06:13:55PM -0500, Tom Zanussi wrote: relayfs itself only provides the buffering and file operations along with the kernel API for clients as documented in Documentation/filesystems/relayfs.txt. Applications still need some kind of

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-17 Thread bert hubert
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Tom Zanussi wrote: It is racey - in this mode, there's nothing to keep the kernel from writing as much as it wants before the user side has a chance to read any of it. The only way this can be used safely is to make sure the kernel side isn't writing

Re: [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks?

2005-07-17 Thread Tom Zanussi
bert hubert writes: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Tom Zanussi wrote: It is racey - in this mode, there's nothing to keep the kernel from writing as much as it wants before the user side has a chance to read any of it. The only way this can be used safely is to make sure