Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-18 Thread Lorenzo Pieralisi
Hi Samuel,

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:07:00PM +0100, Samuel Ortiz wrote:
> Hi Lorenzo,
> 
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:05:42PM +0100, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > version v5 of VExpress SPC driver, please read on the changelog for major
> > changes and explanations.
> > 
> > The probing scheme is unchanged, since after trying the early platform
> > devices approach it appeared that the end result was no better than the
> > current one. The only clean solution relies either on changing how
> > secondaries are brought up in the kernel (later than now) or enable
> > early platform device registration through DT. Please check this
> > thread for the related discussion:
> > 
> > https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/devicetree-discuss/2013-June/036542.html
> > 
> > The interface was adapted to regmap and again reverted to old driver for
> > the following reasons:
> > 
> > - Power down registers locking is hairy and requires arch spinlocks in
> >   the MCPM back end to work properly, normal spinlocks cannot be used
> > - Regmap adds unnecessary code to manage SPC since it is just a bunch of
> >   registers used to control power management flags, the overhead is just
> >   not worth it (talking about power down registers, not the vexpress config
> >   interface)
> > - The locking scheme behind regmap requires all registers in the map
> >   to be protected with the same lock, which is not exactly what we want
> >   here
> > - Given the reasons above, adding a regmap interface buys us nothing from
> >   a driver readability and maintainability perspective (again just talking
> >   about the power interface, a few registers) because for the SPC it would
> >   simply not be used
> > 
> > /drivers/mfd is probably not the right place for this code as it stands (but
> > probably will be when the entire driver, with DVFS and config interface, is
> > complete).
> Could you please elaborate on how will the SPC driver extend into an MFD
> driver?

Reading through the thread I noticed Nico explained details properly, I
was about to mention a possible solution to the directory issue but I am
pretty sure that what he did will turn out for the best.

Usually, or better, historically, these pieces of code that program
PMICs lived in arch/arm/mach-* directories and that's something we could
have done as well (create a static mapping and write some functions to
peek and poke a few registers), but we thought that it was not the proper
way to go.

On top of that, the SPC is part of a component whose register space maps
disparate functions (config interface for voltage, clocks, energy probes,
frequency scaling and power states management) and basically that's the
reason we struggled to partition it properly (with further complexity
implied by the way requests - config and frequency scaling - have to be
serialized).

I hope the end result is reasonable, and overall I think it was a debate
that was worth having.

Thank you,
Lorenzo

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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Samuel Ortiz
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 06:22:46PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Samuel Ortiz wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:29:02PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > > At this point I don't really care about the name.  I just want the damn 
> > > thing merged upstream.  But after several iterations to either fit one 
> > > or another maintainers taste, each rework ends up in that maintainer 
> > > saying: "Now that you've reworked the code, I still don't like it since 
> > > this no longer fits in my subsystem tree."
> > FWIW, we asked Pawel to rework the sysreg and config parts of the
> > vexpress driver, make it an actual MFD driver, and spread the remaining
> > bits of the code into their respective subsystems. I don't think
> > this is an eccentric requirement.
> 
> I agree.  However the code that Lorenzo just posted can't be deprived 
> of any more sysreg/config parts.  
Yes, and I appreciate Lorenzo's effort here.


> Even the larger code you reviewed before is completely useless without 
> _additional_ drivers to go on top which are indeed waiting after this 
> code to be merged before they are submitted to their respective 
> subsystems.
Right. And merging this code in the right place is exactly what we're
doing here.

 
> And those additional drivers are way more interesting than this dumb 
> register access arbitrator.  
Yes, they're a lot smarter hence the requirement to have them live into
their respective subsystems where the right maintainer can provide
relevant reviews on them.

> > I don't mind merging Lorenzo's SPC driver as it is if he can explain to
> > me how it will eventually evolve into an actual MFD driver. If that's
> > not the case, I don't see how I could justify merging it through the
> > MFD tree.
> 
> Maybe the misunderstanding is about what actually is a MFD driver.
That's possible. I agree it should be documented properly.

> So I'll follow existing precedents in the kernel and move Lorenzo's code 
> to drivers/platform/vexpress/.
Thanks for that.

Cheers,
Samuel.

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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Samuel Ortiz wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:29:02PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > At this point I don't really care about the name.  I just want the damn 
> > thing merged upstream.  But after several iterations to either fit one 
> > or another maintainers taste, each rework ends up in that maintainer 
> > saying: "Now that you've reworked the code, I still don't like it since 
> > this no longer fits in my subsystem tree."
> FWIW, we asked Pawel to rework the sysreg and config parts of the
> vexpress driver, make it an actual MFD driver, and spread the remaining
> bits of the code into their respective subsystems. I don't think
> this is an eccentric requirement.

I agree.  However the code that Lorenzo just posted can't be deprived 
of any more sysreg/config parts.  They are simply nonexistent.

Even the larger code you reviewed before is completely useless without 
_additional_ drivers to go on top which are indeed waiting after this 
code to be merged before they are submitted to their respective 
subsystems.

And those additional drivers are way more interesting than this dumb 
register access arbitrator.  Because this is fundamentally the only 
thing it does.

> > In fact what we'd need at this point is 
> > drivers/code_that_no_subsystem_maintainers_wants/.  
> Which is what some people think drivers/mfd/ is...

Does mfd still stand for "Multi Function Device"?

> I don't mind merging Lorenzo's SPC driver as it is if he can explain to
> me how it will eventually evolve into an actual MFD driver. If that's
> not the case, I don't see how I could justify merging it through the
> MFD tree.

Maybe the misunderstanding is about what actually is a MFD driver.
Given your persisting reluctance, I may only conclude that this is 
indeed not a MFD driver after all.

So I'll follow existing precedents in the kernel and move Lorenzo's code 
to drivers/platform/vexpress/.


Nicolas
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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Samuel Ortiz
Hi Nicolas,

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:29:02PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:57:55AM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > > The sanest location at this point might simply be 
> > > drivers/platform/vexpress_spc.c or drivers/platform/vexpress/spc.c 
> > > depending on whether or not more such driver glue is expected in the 
> > > vexpress future.  No point putting "arm" in the path, especially if this 
> > > is later reused on arm64.
> > 
> > You wouldn't be making that argument if it were arch/arm64 and arch/arm32 -
> > you'd probably be arguing that "arm" made perfect sense.
> 
> Well... in a sense: yes.  But in the end, having per arch directories 
> under drivers/ is silly.  We already have per arch directories under 
> arch/already.
> 
> > Don't get too hung up on names please, it's really not worth the time
> > and effort being soo pedantic, and being soo pedantic leads to "pointless
> > churn" when someone comes along and wants to pedantically change the
> > names because it no longer matches the users.
> 
> At this point I don't really care about the name.  I just want the damn 
> thing merged upstream.  But after several iterations to either fit one 
> or another maintainers taste, each rework ends up in that maintainer 
> saying: "Now that you've reworked the code, I still don't like it since 
> this no longer fits in my subsystem tree."
FWIW, we asked Pawel to rework the sysreg and config parts of the
vexpress driver, make it an actual MFD driver, and spread the remaining
bits of the code into their respective subsystems. I don't think
this is an eccentric requirement.


> In fact what we'd need at this point is 
> drivers/code_that_no_subsystem_maintainers_wants/.  
Which is what some people think drivers/mfd/ is...
I don't mind merging Lorenzo's SPC driver as it is if he can explain to
me how it will eventually evolve into an actual MFD driver. If that's
not the case, I don't see how I could justify merging it through the
MFD tree.

Cheers,
Samuel.

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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Samuel Ortiz
Hi Pawel,

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 03:20:11PM +0100, Pawel Moll wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 15:16 +0100, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Pawel Moll wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 13:33 +0100, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > > > If this is really miscelaneous code that really doesn't fit 
> > > > anywhere else, it should rather go into drivers/misc/ as a last resort.
> > > 
> > > Interestingly enough drivers/misc was my first choice for all the
> > > vexpress stuff, but it wasn't received well...
> > > 
> > > Anyway, the SPC driver as it is now seem to be a "power management
> > > system driver". Maybe a relevant directory would be in place? Wouldn't
> > > PSCI belong there as well? (there are two psci.c files in arch/arm and
> > > arch/arm64, surprisingly similar ones ;-)
> > > 
> > > The bottom line is: today it is not an MFD driver.
> > 
> > But we know it will, right?  So better  save some churn by storing the 
> > initial code where it would end up anyway once complete.
> 
> Not in that form, no. The code living in mfd will just register
> mfd_cells while "functional" parts are going to live elsewhere. This is
> how I understand what Samuel asked me to do and that's what is happening
> to vexpress-sysreg now.
Very good, I'll happily apply such changes.
If I understand the IP correctly, the SPC driver will stay as a set of
runtime APIs for controlling the SPC features. If that's the case, then
misc sounds like a more appropriate place for this driver.
drivers/power/ really is for power supplies and charging drivers.

Cheers,
Samuel. 

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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Samuel Ortiz
Hi Lorenzo,

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:05:42PM +0100, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> version v5 of VExpress SPC driver, please read on the changelog for major
> changes and explanations.
> 
> The probing scheme is unchanged, since after trying the early platform
> devices approach it appeared that the end result was no better than the
> current one. The only clean solution relies either on changing how
> secondaries are brought up in the kernel (later than now) or enable
> early platform device registration through DT. Please check this
> thread for the related discussion:
> 
> https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/devicetree-discuss/2013-June/036542.html
> 
> The interface was adapted to regmap and again reverted to old driver for
> the following reasons:
> 
> - Power down registers locking is hairy and requires arch spinlocks in
>   the MCPM back end to work properly, normal spinlocks cannot be used
> - Regmap adds unnecessary code to manage SPC since it is just a bunch of
>   registers used to control power management flags, the overhead is just
>   not worth it (talking about power down registers, not the vexpress config
>   interface)
> - The locking scheme behind regmap requires all registers in the map
>   to be protected with the same lock, which is not exactly what we want
>   here
> - Given the reasons above, adding a regmap interface buys us nothing from
>   a driver readability and maintainability perspective (again just talking
>   about the power interface, a few registers) because for the SPC it would
>   simply not be used
> 
> /drivers/mfd is probably not the right place for this code as it stands (but
> probably will be when the entire driver, with DVFS and config interface, is
> complete).
Could you please elaborate on how will the SPC driver extend into an MFD
driver?

Cheers,
Samuel.

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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:57:55AM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > The sanest location at this point might simply be 
> > drivers/platform/vexpress_spc.c or drivers/platform/vexpress/spc.c 
> > depending on whether or not more such driver glue is expected in the 
> > vexpress future.  No point putting "arm" in the path, especially if this 
> > is later reused on arm64.
> 
> You wouldn't be making that argument if it were arch/arm64 and arch/arm32 -
> you'd probably be arguing that "arm" made perfect sense.

Well... in a sense: yes.  But in the end, having per arch directories 
under drivers/ is silly.  We already have per arch directories under 
arch/already.

> Don't get too hung up on names please, it's really not worth the time
> and effort being soo pedantic, and being soo pedantic leads to "pointless
> churn" when someone comes along and wants to pedantically change the
> names because it no longer matches the users.

At this point I don't really care about the name.  I just want the damn 
thing merged upstream.  But after several iterations to either fit one 
or another maintainers taste, each rework ends up in that maintainer 
saying: "Now that you've reworked the code, I still don't like it since 
this no longer fits in my subsystem tree."

In fact what we'd need at this point is 
drivers/code_that_no_subsystem_maintainers_wants/.  This is becoming 
overly ridiculous.


Nicolas
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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:57:55AM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> The sanest location at this point might simply be 
> drivers/platform/vexpress_spc.c or drivers/platform/vexpress/spc.c 
> depending on whether or not more such driver glue is expected in the 
> vexpress future.  No point putting "arm" in the path, especially if this 
> is later reused on arm64.

You wouldn't be making that argument if it were arch/arm64 and arch/arm32 -
you'd probably be arguing that "arm" made perfect sense.

Don't get too hung up on names please, it's really not worth the time
and effort being soo pedantic, and being soo pedantic leads to "pointless
churn" when someone comes along and wants to pedantically change the
names because it no longer matches the users.
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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Pawel Moll wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 15:16 +0100, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Pawel Moll wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 13:33 +0100, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > > > If this is really miscelaneous code that really doesn't fit 
> > > > anywhere else, it should rather go into drivers/misc/ as a last resort.
> > > 
> > > Interestingly enough drivers/misc was my first choice for all the
> > > vexpress stuff, but it wasn't received well...
> > > 
> > > Anyway, the SPC driver as it is now seem to be a "power management
> > > system driver". Maybe a relevant directory would be in place? Wouldn't
> > > PSCI belong there as well? (there are two psci.c files in arch/arm and
> > > arch/arm64, surprisingly similar ones ;-)
> > > 
> > > The bottom line is: today it is not an MFD driver.
> > 
> > But we know it will, right?  So better  save some churn by storing the 
> > initial code where it would end up anyway once complete.
> 
> Not in that form, no. The code living in mfd will just register
> mfd_cells while "functional" parts are going to live elsewhere. This is
> how I understand what Samuel asked me to do and that's what is happening
> to vexpress-sysreg now.

A drivers/pm/ or drivers/power/ could be created, but that implies sort 
of a more defined subsystem with a common API and the SPC code doesn't 
fit that as it is only providing services to actual drivers on top of 
it.

The sanest location at this point might simply be 
drivers/platform/vexpress_spc.c or drivers/platform/vexpress/spc.c 
depending on whether or not more such driver glue is expected in the 
vexpress future.  No point putting "arm" in the path, especially if this 
is later reused on arm64.


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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Pawel Moll wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 13:33 +0100, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > If this is really miscelaneous code that really doesn't fit 
> > anywhere else, it should rather go into drivers/misc/ as a last resort.
> 
> Interestingly enough drivers/misc was my first choice for all the
> vexpress stuff, but it wasn't received well...
> 
> Anyway, the SPC driver as it is now seem to be a "power management
> system driver". Maybe a relevant directory would be in place? Wouldn't
> PSCI belong there as well? (there are two psci.c files in arch/arm and
> arch/arm64, surprisingly similar ones ;-)
> 
> The bottom line is: today it is not an MFD driver.

But we know it will, right?  So better  save some churn by storing the 
initial code where it would end up anyway once complete.


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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Pawel Moll
On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 15:16 +0100, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Pawel Moll wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 13:33 +0100, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > > If this is really miscelaneous code that really doesn't fit 
> > > anywhere else, it should rather go into drivers/misc/ as a last resort.
> > 
> > Interestingly enough drivers/misc was my first choice for all the
> > vexpress stuff, but it wasn't received well...
> > 
> > Anyway, the SPC driver as it is now seem to be a "power management
> > system driver". Maybe a relevant directory would be in place? Wouldn't
> > PSCI belong there as well? (there are two psci.c files in arch/arm and
> > arch/arm64, surprisingly similar ones ;-)
> > 
> > The bottom line is: today it is not an MFD driver.
> 
> But we know it will, right?  So better  save some churn by storing the 
> initial code where it would end up anyway once complete.

Not in that form, no. The code living in mfd will just register
mfd_cells while "functional" parts are going to live elsewhere. This is
how I understand what Samuel asked me to do and that's what is happening
to vexpress-sysreg now.

Paweł


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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Pawel Moll
On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 13:33 +0100, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> If this is really miscelaneous code that really doesn't fit 
> anywhere else, it should rather go into drivers/misc/ as a last resort.

Interestingly enough drivers/misc was my first choice for all the
vexpress stuff, but it wasn't received well...

Anyway, the SPC driver as it is now seem to be a "power management
system driver". Maybe a relevant directory would be in place? Wouldn't
PSCI belong there as well? (there are two psci.c files in arch/arm and
arch/arm64, surprisingly similar ones ;-)

The bottom line is: today it is not an MFD driver.

Paweł


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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Pawel Moll wrote:

> On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 17:05 +0100, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> > /drivers/mfd is probably not the right place for this code as it stands (but
> > probably will be when the entire driver, with DVFS and config interface, is
> > complete).
> 
> Not that it really matters now, but my vexpress-sysreg rework will -
> most likely - leave only skeleton in the MFD (registering mfd_cells) and
> other stuff is going to be spread all around. Then I'm planning to move
> the remaining of the vexpress-specific initialization to
> drivers/platform/arm/vexpress.c, so maybe sticking vexpress-spc.c to
> this (non-existing yet) directory would be the right thing to do?

I don't like this idea.  We worked hard to shrink platform specific 
directories such as arch/arm/mach-*/ as much as possible.  Simply moving 
stuff to drivers/platform/arm/* doesn't make the situation any much 
better.

If this is really miscelaneous code that really doesn't fit 
anywhere else, it should rather go into drivers/misc/ as a last resort.


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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Lorenzo Pieralisi
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:18:25AM +0100, Pawel Moll wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 17:05 +0100, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> > /drivers/mfd is probably not the right place for this code as it stands (but
> > probably will be when the entire driver, with DVFS and config interface, is
> > complete).
> 
> Not that it really matters now, but my vexpress-sysreg rework will -
> most likely - leave only skeleton in the MFD (registering mfd_cells) and
> other stuff is going to be spread all around. Then I'm planning to move
> the remaining of the vexpress-specific initialization to
> drivers/platform/arm/vexpress.c, so maybe sticking vexpress-spc.c to
> this (non-existing yet) directory would be the right thing to do?

Done. I do not think there is a point in splitting the patch to create
the dir and make infrastructure, so I squashed everything in the
original patch. I have not added any maintainer for that dir/file, I
guess it can wait till you finish the rework so that you can add
yourself there.

If that's all I need to change I do not even think that reposting is
necessary.

It does matter though, since it implies changes on who is in charge of
ack/nack'ing this code, if it is no more an mfd matter.

I will wait to check all interested/concerned parties opinions, that are
always welcome.

> Other than that:
> 
> Acked-by: Pawel Moll 

Thank you !!!
Lorenzo

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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-17 Thread Pawel Moll
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 17:05 +0100, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> /drivers/mfd is probably not the right place for this code as it stands (but
> probably will be when the entire driver, with DVFS and config interface, is
> complete).

Not that it really matters now, but my vexpress-sysreg rework will -
most likely - leave only skeleton in the MFD (registering mfd_cells) and
other stuff is going to be spread all around. Then I'm planning to move
the remaining of the vexpress-specific initialization to
drivers/platform/arm/vexpress.c, so maybe sticking vexpress-spc.c to
this (non-existing yet) directory would be the right thing to do?

Other than that:

Acked-by: Pawel Moll 

Thanks!

Paweł


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Re: [RFC PATCH v5 0/1] drivers: mfd: Versatile Express SPC support

2013-07-16 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> version v5 of VExpress SPC driver, please read on the changelog for major
> changes and explanations.
> 
> The probing scheme is unchanged, since after trying the early platform
> devices approach it appeared that the end result was no better than the
> current one. The only clean solution relies either on changing how
> secondaries are brought up in the kernel (later than now) or enable
> early platform device registration through DT. Please check this
> thread for the related discussion:
> 
> https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/devicetree-discuss/2013-June/036542.html
> 
> The interface was adapted to regmap and again reverted to old driver for
> the following reasons:
> 
> - Power down registers locking is hairy and requires arch spinlocks in
>   the MCPM back end to work properly, normal spinlocks cannot be used
> - Regmap adds unnecessary code to manage SPC since it is just a bunch of
>   registers used to control power management flags, the overhead is just
>   not worth it (talking about power down registers, not the vexpress config
>   interface)
> - The locking scheme behind regmap requires all registers in the map
>   to be protected with the same lock, which is not exactly what we want
>   here
> - Given the reasons above, adding a regmap interface buys us nothing from
>   a driver readability and maintainability perspective (again just talking
>   about the power interface, a few registers) because for the SPC it would
>   simply not be used
> 
> /drivers/mfd is probably not the right place for this code as it stands (but
> probably will be when the entire driver, with DVFS and config interface, is
> complete).
> 
> Thank you for the review in advance,
> Lorenzo

I've integrated this patch in my MCPM backend for TC2 patch series.

ACKs from concerned/interested people would be appreciated so I could 
send this for ARM-SOC inclusion right away.


Nicolas
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