Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread TimO
Vojtech Pavlik wrote: > > I'm *not* sure. It just looks like a reasonable explanation. It doesn't > happen on Intel chips and older VIA chips, it only happens on new VIA > chips, and the code is the same all the time. Also, it happens both with > 2.2 and 2.4 kernels ... > > -- > Vojtech Pavlik

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 02:04:58PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Interesting. If it's caused by SCSI as well (might be), then it's not > > caused by heavy IDE activity but rather than that it could be heavy > > BusMastering activity instead (The IDE chip does BM as well). > > > > I'm

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread bart
On 26 Oct, Vojtech Pavlik wrote: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:42:31PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > >> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:20:43PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: >> > >> > > ... >> > > >> > > Have you any idea what is the relation between time and this chip ? >> > > >> > >

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 01:16:34PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > Which part of the chipset you mean? The PIT (programmable interrupt > > timer)? That one is standard since XT times. The rest of the ISA bridge? > > Maybe, but that's mostly BIOS work and shouldn't impact the PIT > > under

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:58:12PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > > > > > So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for > > > > > i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when > > > > >

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:58:12PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > > > So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for > > > > i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when > > > > they're not probably the cause of the problem we see here.

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:02:20PM +0200, Martin Mares wrote: > > > > So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for > > > i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when > > > they're not probably the

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:02:20PM +0200, Martin Mares wrote: > > So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for > > i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when > > they're not probably the cause of the problem we see here. > > BTW what about

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Martin Mares
Hi! > So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for > i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when > they're not probably the cause of the problem we see here. BTW what about trying to modify your work-around code to make it attempt to read

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Martin Mares
Hi! So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when they're not probably the cause of the problem we see here. BTW what about trying to modify your work-around code to make it attempt to read the

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:02:20PM +0200, Martin Mares wrote: So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when they're not probably the cause of the problem we see here. BTW what about trying

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:02:20PM +0200, Martin Mares wrote: So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when they're not probably the cause of the

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:58:12PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when they're not probably the cause of the problem we see here. BTW

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:58:12PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: So this is not our problem here. Anyway I guess it's time to hunt for i8259 accesses in the kernel that lack the necessary spinlock, even when they're not probably the

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 01:16:34PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: Which part of the chipset you mean? The PIT (programmable interrupt timer)? That one is standard since XT times. The rest of the ISA bridge? Maybe, but that's mostly BIOS work and shouldn't impact the PIT under sane

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread bart
On 26 Oct, Vojtech Pavlik wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:42:31PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:20:43PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: ... Have you any idea what is the relation between time and this chip ? Also, I'm experiencing the

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 02:04:58PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. If it's caused by SCSI as well (might be), then it's not caused by heavy IDE activity but rather than that it could be heavy BusMastering activity instead (The IDE chip does BM as well). I'm still

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-27 Thread TimO
Vojtech Pavlik wrote: I'm *not* sure. It just looks like a reasonable explanation. It doesn't happen on Intel chips and older VIA chips, it only happens on new VIA chips, and the code is the same all the time. Also, it happens both with 2.2 and 2.4 kernels ... -- Vojtech Pavlik SuSE

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:24:38PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > Vojtech Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:05:04PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > > > > yop, I 've done : > > > > > > make -j10 World > > > in the xfree tree and simulateously : >

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:05:04PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > > yop, I 've done : > > > > make -j10 World > > in the xfree tree and simulateously : > > > > while true; do make dep && make clean && make bzImage; done > > in the kernel

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:05:04PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > yop, I 've done : > > make -j10 World > in the xfree tree and simulateously : > > while true; do make dep && make clean && make bzImage; done > in the kernel tree Now it'd be nice to verify that the problem also happens

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 10:11:54PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > > > > > > ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things > > > > > > to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This > > > > > > does the

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 10:11:54PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > > > > ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things > > > > > to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This > > > > > does the following: > > > [Snipped...] > > > > > > > > Well,

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:42:29PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: > > > > > ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things > > > > to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This > > > > does the following: > >

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:42:29PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: > > > ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things > > > to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This > > > does the following: > [Snipped...] > > > > Well, at least on 2.4.0-test9,

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Richard B. Johnson
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Vojtech Pavlik wrote: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 12:04:21PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: > > > ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things > > to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This > > does the following: [Snipped...] >

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 12:04:21PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: > ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things > to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This > does the following: > > o Selects timer 0. > o Latches the timer. > o Selects

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Richard B. Johnson
On 26 Oct 2000, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > Vojtech Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [Snipped...] ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This does the following: o Selects timer 0. o Latches

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:42:31PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:20:43PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Have you any idea what is the relation between time and this chip

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:42:31PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:20:43PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > > > > ... > > > > > > Have you any idea what is the relation between time and this chip ? > > > > > > Also, I'm experiencing the problem for

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:42:31PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:20:43PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: ... Have you any idea what is the relation between time and this chip ? Also, I'm experiencing the problem for several month on my

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:42:31PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:20:43PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: ... Have you any idea what is the relation between time and this chip ? Also, I'm

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Richard B. Johnson
On 26 Oct 2000, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Snipped...] ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This does the following: o Selects timer 0. o Latches the

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 12:04:21PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This does the following: o Selects timer 0. o Latches the timer. o Selects mode

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Richard B. Johnson
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Vojtech Pavlik wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 12:04:21PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This does the following: [Snipped...] Well,

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:42:29PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This does the following: [Snipped...] Well, at least on 2.4.0-test9, the above timing

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:42:29PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This does the following: [Snipped...]

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 10:11:54PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This does the following: [Snipped...] Well, at least on 2.4.0-test9,

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 10:11:54PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: ../drivers/block/ide.c, line 162, on version 2.2.17 does bad things to the timer. It writes 0 to the control-word for timer 0. This does the following:

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:05:04PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: yop, I 've done : make -j10 World in the xfree tree and simulateously : while true; do make dep make clean make bzImage; done in the kernel tree Now it'd be nice to verify that the problem also happens when the

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Yoann Vandoorselaere
Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:05:04PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: yop, I 've done : make -j10 World in the xfree tree and simulateously : while true; do make dep make clean make bzImage; done in the kernel tree Now it'd be

Re: Possible critical VIA vt82c686a chip bug (private question)

2000-10-26 Thread Vojtech Pavlik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:24:38PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:05:04PM +0200, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: yop, I 've done : make -j10 World in the xfree tree and simulateously : while true; do