Re: DVB-API v5 questions and no dvb developer answering ?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Monday 16 February 2009 18:48:13 wk wrote: The last week two guys were kindly asking here on the list where to find a written DVB-API v5 documentation, but nobody of the dvb driver community was answering. http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg01350.html http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg01300.html Does that mean that: - dvb developers are currently not interested in application developers integrating new DVB-API v5? or.. - no dvb developer reading that list knows something about documentation? or.. - does it simply not exist, so who is working on that api documentation stuff? I do know that the main dvb devs involved in this api are very busy lately, but that's no excuse for not providing a document in the Documentation/dvb directory. Steve, Mike, spend a few hours in a weekend to document this API! Proper documentation should be a hard requirement before allowing new APIs in the kernel IMHO. I couldn't agree more with the last sentence in the above quote. It's ridiculous at best that after months now there is _still_ no proper documentation, yet there was plenty of time when the task-at-hand was making up s2api and pushing it into the kernel as fast as possible. I'd love to hear a good reason why this documentation doesn't exist, or why the people politely asking for help are being completely ignored since the I've been busy excuse is laughable. Sorry, I've seen many people expressing frustration over this and many other things from recent times. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: DVB-API v5 questions and no dvb developer answering ?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Devin Heitmueller devin.heitmuel...@gmail.com wrote: As always we continue to welcome patches, including for the documentation. Instead of bitching and moaning, how about you roll up your sleeves and actually help out? Interesting you would suggest people who did not develop s2api be the ones to write the documentation for it. Let's try to remember that pretty much all the developers here are volunteers, so berating them for not doing things fast enough for your personal taste is not really very productive. Ahh yes, because everyone is a volunteer nobody is entitled to opinions that aren't akin to sending flowers. Sorry, it slipped my mind that only 'approved' opinions are welcome. I would say that neglecting something as important as proper documentation for several months extends beyond personal taste and into the realm of common sense. Especially when people trying to actively develop software have requested such information on many occasions, only to be ignored. Call me crazy but that is what I consider to be 'not really very productive'. Certainly far more then my measly little ol' opinion on the matter. I guess we'll agree to disagree on some key points. Thanks for sharing none-the-less. And hopefully those who have been so patiently and politely asking for help will finally get it. Unless, of course, you think that's a bad idea? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: DVB-API v5 questions and no dvb developer answering ?
On Monday 16 February 2009 22:39:44 wk wrote: Devin Heitmueller wrote: As always we continue to welcome patches, including for the documentation. Instead of bitching and moaning, how about you roll up your sleeves and actually help out? Let's try to remember that pretty much all the developers here are volunteers, so berating them for not doing things fast enough for your personal taste is not really very productive. Regards, Devin Devin, can you please explain, how others should contribute to an dvb api if - the only DVB API file to be found is a pdf file, and therefore not editable. Which files exactly to be edited you are writing of? 10 minutes searching revealed that the sources are still available in the old CVS repository: http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/DVB/doc/dvbapi/ So we need a volunteer to take this, merge it into the current v4l-dvb master repository (just as I did recently with the v4l2 API spec) and then start updating the docs bit by bit. Regards, Hans - one doesn't know which ioctls exist for what function, which return codes and arguments, how to understand and to use..? What you suggest is almost impossible to someone not perfectly familiar with the drivers, only for dvb experts who have written at least a bunch of drivers. Its something different than sending patches for one single driver where some bug/improvement was found. On the other hand, in principle a driver without existing api doc is useless. Nobody can use it, the same for drivers with undocumented new features. Regards, Winfried -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html -- Hans Verkuil - video4linux developer - sponsored by TANDBERG -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
