Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe slot, why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. Thanks for offering your thoughts Stefan. Any specific recommendations? Ideally I want two or more dvb-c tuners in a pci/e form-factor. If there's FW or USB tuners that are mounted onto a PCI/e card, work well in Linux, & are relatively cheap, then I'd love to know! We have USB DVB-C/T hybrid devices which are supported with Linux. http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,4.0.html (the driver is mostly independent from Linux Kernels). Aside of that we just made it work on a Dreambox 800 (300 Mhz MIPS as well, and looking forward to support other platforms as well). http://sundtek.com/shop/Digital-TV-Sticks/Sundtek-MediaTV-Digital-Home-DVB-CT.html Best Regards, Markus Thanks but I'd prefer PCI/e form-factor... If there's something fw or usb-based x2,& squeezed into that form-factor, I'm very interested! I may only have room for 1x pci/e dvb-c card (hopefully one that has two single fw tuners mounted). So I may still look at USB based tuners like yours... There are also MiniPCIe USB DVB-C/T solutions available, although we have only seen single PCIe - MiniPCIe solutions yet (and those required an additional internal USB connection for the USB part) Another option might be a PCI/PCIe USB Bridge + USB DVB-C, we tested 3x USB DVB-C devices with a notebook at the same time (maybe 4 are possible, our test PC only had 3x USB Slots back then). Not sure what you mean, I don't suppose you could clarify? You mean I might be able to buy 2x mini-PCIe cards that can be mounted onto a PCIe <-> USB bridge & then that card (bridge) will have two usb cables that need to be connected to 2 USB headers on the motherboard? If yes, that'd be fairly pricey wouldn't it? I'm only writing about the technical possibilities. Personally I prefer the USB Dongles, since they are flexible. Once you leave your home you can just unplug the DVB-C tuner connect it to a notebook/netbook and use it for FM, analog TV or DVB-T. Markus Oh, so you're not aware of anything like that, which is purchasable? I am not aware of any dual dvb-c PCI/PCIe only device. Righto thanks, I'm unsubscribing from this list... If anyone contributes to this thread, please CC me & I'll rejoin. All the best everyone! Jed -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
>> I'm only writing about the technical possibilities. >> Personally I prefer the USB Dongles, since they are flexible. Once you >> leave your >> home you can just unplug the DVB-C tuner connect it to a >> notebook/netbook and use >> it for FM, analog TV or DVB-T. >> >> Markus > > Oh, so you're not aware of anything like that, which is purchasable? > I am not aware of any dual dvb-c PCI/PCIe only device. Markus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe slot, why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. Thanks for offering your thoughts Stefan. Any specific recommendations? Ideally I want two or more dvb-c tuners in a pci/e form-factor. If there's FW or USB tuners that are mounted onto a PCI/e card, work well in Linux, & are relatively cheap, then I'd love to know! We have USB DVB-C/T hybrid devices which are supported with Linux. http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,4.0.html (the driver is mostly independent from Linux Kernels). Aside of that we just made it work on a Dreambox 800 (300 Mhz MIPS as well, and looking forward to support other platforms as well). http://sundtek.com/shop/Digital-TV-Sticks/Sundtek-MediaTV-Digital-Home-DVB-CT.html Best Regards, Markus Thanks but I'd prefer PCI/e form-factor... If there's something fw or usb-based x2,& squeezed into that form-factor, I'm very interested! I may only have room for 1x pci/e dvb-c card (hopefully one that has two single fw tuners mounted). So I may still look at USB based tuners like yours... There are also MiniPCIe USB DVB-C/T solutions available, although we have only seen single PCIe - MiniPCIe solutions yet (and those required an additional internal USB connection for the USB part) Another option might be a PCI/PCIe USB Bridge + USB DVB-C, we tested 3x USB DVB-C devices with a notebook at the same time (maybe 4 are possible, our test PC only had 3x USB Slots back then). Not sure what you mean, I don't suppose you could clarify? You mean I might be able to buy 2x mini-PCIe cards that can be mounted onto a PCIe <-> USB bridge & then that card (bridge) will have two usb cables that need to be connected to 2 USB headers on the motherboard? If yes, that'd be fairly pricey wouldn't it? I'm only writing about the technical possibilities. Personally I prefer the USB Dongles, since they are flexible. Once you leave your home you can just unplug the DVB-C tuner connect it to a notebook/netbook and use it for FM, analog TV or DVB-T. Markus Oh, so you're not aware of anything like that, which is purchasable? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe slot, why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. Thanks for offering your thoughts Stefan. Any specific recommendations? Ideally I want two or more dvb-c tuners in a pci/e form-factor. If there's FW or USB tuners that are mounted onto a PCI/e card, work well in Linux, & are relatively cheap, then I'd love to know! We have USB DVB-C/T hybrid devices which are supported with Linux. http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,4.0.html (the driver is mostly independent from Linux Kernels). Aside of that we just made it work on a Dreambox 800 (300 Mhz MIPS as well, and looking forward to support other platforms as well). http://sundtek.com/shop/Digital-TV-Sticks/Sundtek-MediaTV-Digital-Home-DVB-CT.html Best Regards, Markus Thanks but I'd prefer PCI/e form-factor... If there's something fw or usb-based x2,& squeezed into that form-factor, I'm very interested! I may only have room for 1x pci/e dvb-c card (hopefully one that has two single fw tuners mounted). So I may still look at USB based tuners like yours... There are also MiniPCIe USB DVB-C/T solutions available, although we have only seen single PCIe - MiniPCIe solutions yet (and those required an additional internal USB connection for the USB part) Another option might be a PCI/PCIe USB Bridge + USB DVB-C, we tested 3x USB DVB-C devices with a notebook at the same time (maybe 4 are possible, our test PC only had 3x USB Slots back then). Not sure what you mean, I don't suppose you could clarify? You mean I might be able to buy 2x mini-PCIe cards that can be mounted onto a PCIe <-> USB bridge & then that card (bridge) will have two usb cables that need to be connected to 2 USB headers on the motherboard? If yes, that'd be fairly pricey wouldn't it? I'm only writing about the technical possibilities. Personally I prefer the USB Dongles, since they are flexible. Once you leave your home you can just unplug the DVB-C tuner connect it to a notebook/netbook and use it for FM, analog TV or DVB-T. Markus Oh, so you're not aware of anything like that, which is purchasable? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Jed wrote: > > Not sure what you mean, I don't suppose you could clarify? > > You mean I might be able to buy 2x mini-PCIe cards that can be mounted onto > a PCIe <-> USB bridge & then that card (bridge) will have two usb cables > that need to be connected to 2 USB headers on the motherboard? > > If yes, that'd be fairly pricey wouldn't it? > I'm only writing about the technical possibilities. Personally I prefer the USB Dongles, since they are flexible. Once you leave your home you can just unplug the DVB-C tuner connect it to a notebook/netbook and use it for FM, analog TV or DVB-T. Markus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual DVB-C& is far too expensive. If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe slot, why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. Thanks for offering your thoughts Stefan. Any specific recommendations? Ideally I want two or more dvb-c tuners in a pci/e form-factor. If there's FW or USB tuners that are mounted onto a PCI/e card, work well in Linux,& are relatively cheap, then I'd love to know! I don't have an overview over USB tuners. We have USB DVB-C/T hybrid devices which are supported with Linux. http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,4.0.html (the driver is mostly independent from Linux Kernels). Aside of that we just made it work on a Dreambox 800 (300 Mhz MIPS as well, and looking forward to support other platforms as well). http://sundtek.com/shop/Digital-TV-Sticks/Sundtek-MediaTV-Digital-Home-DVB-CT.html Best Regards, Markus Thanks but I'd prefer PCI/e form-factor... If there's something fw or usb-based x2,& squeezed into that form-factor, I'm very interested! I may only have room for 1x pci/e dvb-c card (hopefully one that has two single fw tuners mounted). So I may still look at USB based tuners like yours... There are also MiniPCIe USB DVB-C/T solutions available, although we have only seen single PCIe - MiniPCIe solutions yet (and those required an additional internal USB connection for the USB part) Another option might be a PCI/PCIe USB Bridge + USB DVB-C, we tested 3x USB DVB-C devices with a notebook at the same time (maybe 4 are possible, our test PC only had 3x USB Slots back then). Not sure what you mean, I don't suppose you could clarify? You mean I might be able to buy 2x mini-PCIe cards that can be mounted onto a PCIe <-> USB bridge & then that card (bridge) will have two usb cables that need to be connected to 2 USB headers on the motherboard? If yes, that'd be fairly pricey wouldn't it? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Jed wrote: >>> Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual >>> DVB-C& is far too expensive. >> >> If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe >> slot, >> why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? >> >> FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't >> exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire >> receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more >> there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. > > Thanks for offering your thoughts Stefan. > Any specific recommendations? > > Ideally I want two or more dvb-c tuners in a pci/e form-factor. > > If there's FW or USB tuners that are mounted onto a PCI/e card, work > well in Linux,& are relatively cheap, then I'd love to know! I don't have an overview over USB tuners. >>> >>> We have USB DVB-C/T hybrid devices which are supported with Linux. >>> >>> http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,4.0.html (the driver is >>> mostly independent from >>> Linux Kernels). >>> >>> Aside of that we just made it work on a Dreambox 800 (300 Mhz MIPS as >>> well, and looking forward >>> to support other platforms as well). >>> >>> >>> http://sundtek.com/shop/Digital-TV-Sticks/Sundtek-MediaTV-Digital-Home-DVB-CT.html >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Markus >> >> Thanks but I'd prefer PCI/e form-factor... >> If there's something fw or usb-based x2, & squeezed into that >> form-factor, I'm very interested! > > I may only have room for 1x pci/e dvb-c card (hopefully one that has two > single fw tuners mounted). > So I may still look at USB based tuners like yours... > There are also MiniPCIe USB DVB-C/T solutions available, although we have only seen single PCIe - MiniPCIe solutions yet (and those required an additional internal USB connection for the USB part) Another option might be a PCI/PCIe USB Bridge + USB DVB-C, we tested 3x USB DVB-C devices with a notebook at the same time (maybe 4 are possible, our test PC only had 3x USB Slots back then). Markus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual DVB-C& is far too expensive. If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe slot, why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. Thanks for offering your thoughts Stefan. Any specific recommendations? Ideally I want two or more dvb-c tuners in a pci/e form-factor. If there's FW or USB tuners that are mounted onto a PCI/e card, work well in Linux,& are relatively cheap, then I'd love to know! I don't have an overview over USB tuners. We have USB DVB-C/T hybrid devices which are supported with Linux. http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,4.0.html (the driver is mostly independent from Linux Kernels). Aside of that we just made it work on a Dreambox 800 (300 Mhz MIPS as well, and looking forward to support other platforms as well). http://sundtek.com/shop/Digital-TV-Sticks/Sundtek-MediaTV-Digital-Home-DVB-CT.html Best Regards, Markus Thanks but I'd prefer PCI/e form-factor... If there's something fw or usb-based x2, & squeezed into that form-factor, I'm very interested! I may only have room for 1x pci/e dvb-c card (hopefully one that has two single fw tuners mounted). So I may still look at USB based tuners like yours... Cheers -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual DVB-C&is far too expensive. If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe slot, why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. Thanks for offering your thoughts Stefan. Any specific recommendations? Ideally I want two or more dvb-c tuners in a pci/e form-factor. If there's FW or USB tuners that are mounted onto a PCI/e card, work well in Linux,& are relatively cheap, then I'd love to know! I don't have an overview over USB tuners. We have USB DVB-C/T hybrid devices which are supported with Linux. http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,4.0.html (the driver is mostly independent from Linux Kernels). Aside of that we just made it work on a Dreambox 800 (300 Mhz MIPS as well, and looking forward to support other platforms as well). http://sundtek.com/shop/Digital-TV-Sticks/Sundtek-MediaTV-Digital-Home-DVB-CT.html Best Regards, Markus Thanks but I'd prefer PCI/e form-factor... If there's something fw or usb-based x2, & squeezed into that form-factor, I'm very interested! Cheers, Jed -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
Jed wrote: > On 24/05/10 4:18 AM, Stefan Richter wrote: >> Jed wrote: >>> Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual >>> DVB-C& is far too expensive. >> >> If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe slot, >> why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? >> >> FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't >> exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire >> receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more >> there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. > > Thanks for offering your thoughts Stefan. > Any specific recommendations? > > Ideally I want two or more dvb-c tuners in a pci/e form-factor. > > If there's FW or USB tuners that are mounted onto a PCI/e card, work > well in Linux, & are relatively cheap, then I'd love to know! I don't have an overview over USB tuners. FireWire tuners are (or rather were) available as external boxes as well as cards that could be mounted either in a PCI(e) slot --- but still had to be connected to an internal or external FireWire port then --- or in a floppy disk bay. One tuner took up one slot or one bay. Slot for CAM included. As I said, the FireWire tuners were _not_ cheap, compared to average USB tuners or PCI tuners. Maybe used one can be found to a somewhat better price. FireWire DVB tuners that were sold in the past by different vendors were similar in hardware AFAIK, but only ones from Digital Everywhere (called FireDTV and FloppyDTV) are supported under Linux because DE supplied initial driver code and firmware information. If you go for USB tuners, then I guess that you will also have to use either external devices /or/ drive-bay mounted devices /or/ two PCI(e) slots, since you wrote that you need CAMs --- and I doubt that there is a cheap off-the-shelf solution that crams two CAM slots into a single PCI slot or shares a CAM between tuners... But as I said, I don't have an overview. -- Stefan Richter -=-==-=- -=-= ==--= http://arcgraph.de/sr/ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
3rd times a charm? If not I'll leave it rest :( On 22/05/10, Jed wrote: Hi All, I put this one out there 3-weeks ago Just putting it out one last time to hear other peoples thoughts. I was wondering if anyone can recommend a decent PCI/e DVB-C tuner? Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual DVB-C & is far too expensive. I guess that's the reality of the market right now?.. I'm subscribed to a PayTV provider here in Australia that uses an encryption scheme called NDS or Videoguard2. So I'll also need the right card reader and combo of software in order to decrypt and then capture. This stuff I can mostly work out for myself... But if you have any knowledge or experience in that area, then I'd be most appreciative if you can share. As it definitely isn't for technical minnows! Oh and in case you're worried, doing this sort of thing is not -yet- illegal in Australia. It may be soon though, thanks to the FTA our former Prime Minister established with the U.S. All the best, Jed -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
Anyone? Thank-you! On 22/05/10, Jed wrote: Hi All, I put this one out there 3-weeks ago Just putting it out one last time to hear other peoples thoughts. I was wondering if anyone can recommend a decent PCI/e DVB-C tuner? Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual DVB-C & is far too expensive. I guess that's the reality of the market right now... I'm subscribed to a PayTV provider here in Australia that uses an encryption scheme called NDS or Videoguard2. So I'll also need the right card reader and combo of software in order to decrypt and then capture. This stuff I can mostly work out for myself... But if you have any knowledge or experience in that area, then I'd be most appreciative if you can share. As it definitely isn't for technical minnows! Oh and in case you're worried, doing this sort of thing is not -yet- illegal in Australia. It may be soon though, thanks to the FTA our former Prime Minister established with the U.S. All the best, Jed -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
Thanks for offering your thoughts Stefan. Any specific recommendations? Ideally I want two or more dvb-c tuners in a pci/e form-factor. If there's FW or USB tuners that are mounted onto a PCI/e card, work well in Linux, & are relatively cheap, then I'd love to know! Thanks, Jed On 24/05/10 4:18 AM, Stefan Richter wrote: Jed wrote: Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual DVB-C& is far too expensive. If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe slot, why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
Jed wrote: > Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual > DVB-C & is far too expensive. If you need two receivers but can only spare up to one PCI or PCIe slot, why not use two USB or FireWire attached receivers? FireWire ones seem to be out of production now though and weren't exactly on the cheap side. OTOH one can drive up to 3 DVB FireWire receivers on a single FireWire bus; and for those who need even more there are dual link FireWire PCI and PCIe cards readily available. -- Stefan Richter -=-==-=- -=-= =-=== http://arcgraph.de/sr/ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
ideal DVB-C PCI/e card? [linux-media]
Hi All, I put this one out there 3-weeks ago Just putting it out one last time to hear other peoples thoughts. I was wondering if anyone can recommend a decent PCI/e DVB-C tuner? Ideally it'd be dual DVB-C, the only one I've found is more than dual DVB-C & is far too expensive. I guess that's the reality of the market right now... I'm subscribed to a PayTV provider here in Australia that uses an encryption scheme called NDS or Videoguard2. So I'll also need the right card reader and combo of software in order to decrypt and then capture. This stuff I can mostly work out for myself... But if you have any knowledge or experience in that area, then I'd be most appreciative if you can share. As it definitely isn't for technical minnows! Oh and in case you're worried, doing this sort of thing is not -yet- illegal in Australia. It may be soon though, thanks to the FTA our former Prime Minister established with the U.S. All the best, Jed -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
