Re: Concurrent DOS XM 5.2 -- WTF did this come from???
On Sun, 2002-02-03 at 10:40, Ged Haywood wrote: Guys, things are the way they are. Bill Gates just gave $17M to a charity here in the UK which might, just might, stop AIDS from getting a grip in the heterosexual population (read: my family). He probably wouldn't have been able to do that had he never left his basement. Okay, I don't know what started this thread, but *I'M*GOING*TO*END*IT*! [ I was just commenting before on how DR-DOS was worth the cost. ] Did he give cash? Or just software? Over here in the US, Microsoft's finances are getting under review. You'd be surprised how much they donate just for tax write-offs and create money out of thin air. It is just insulting! E.g., the Gates foundation reguarly gives hundreds of millions of dollars to libraries, schools, etc... Actual cost to Microsoft? Usually under $1M total in software materials. Total tax write-off? Hundreds of millions of dollars as they get market equivalent. They invent money! Again, it is just insulting. People over here in the US think Microsoft is good for the US economy. BS! The only thing good about Microsoft in our economy is the over-inflated stock price drives most people's artificial worth -- and everytime their stock price drops, people lose money. Microsoft is a _bad_ stock to have and/or is _no_good_ for our economy because: A) Microsoft has _never_ paid dividens in its 15-year public history B) Microsoft has _never_ paid taxes in its 15-year public history [ Most of this is due to the false tax write-offs, as well as non-preferred stock options and their over-inflated price ] C) Microsoft almost always hires temporary employees with no benefits D) Their P/E ratio sucks (was over 120 when their stock was over 100! Still not very good.) But because every little growth-focus fund has Microsoft stock, people think they are important. You know how I got by in this whole drop in the US stock market? I picked medium growth funds with good dividens! That mean 0% Microsoft stock! My mutual funds and other fund investments never dropped more than 10% overall!!! But if you had heavy Microsoft stock, yeah, you got fried by 25-50%! So people think Microsoft is important for our economy. Yeah, because stupid investors have made them that! FWIW I agree that W1nd0ze sucks as an OS for my purposes, but there are hundreds of millions of satisfied customers out there and you can't take that away from the most successful business of all time. Microsoft software has always been 3rd best or so. Usually because they buy out the 3rd best competitor or so. Then they take #1 and #2 down with bundling, 2+ year prior-to-launch marketing, per-model pricing (which was already ruled to be illegal in the 1995 decree), etc... IBM used to do this to in the '70s and they got slammed for it (restricted bundling, no announcements more than 6 months in advance, etc...). I mean, how do you think Microsoft Office got so popular?!?!?! Bundling! They bundled it for free! Heck, if a OEM bundled a competing suite, Microsoft paid a rebate to them to drop it! In traditional sales terms, that's known as dumping. -- Bryan -- Bryan J. Smith, Engineermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc. http://www.linux-wlan.org SmithConcepts, Inc. http://www.SmithConcepts.com - 1999 IRS Data: The top 1% of income earners pay over 36% of the taxes, but have less than 20% of the total income. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-msdos in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Concurrent DOS XM 5.2 -- Using DOSEmu to _replace_ Concurrent
On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 11:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the problem is that the application I want to run requires Concurrent (rather than simply multiple DOS sessions). In particular, it's comprised of a host of CMD files (compiled Pascal, CPM-86 binaries, basically) and some COM/EXE files (the usual DOS binaries). I think CPM-86 runs under DR-DOS. Heck, since Concurrent DOS is based on DR-DOS, it can't hurt to try! [ FYI, CMD is also the OS/2-NT command [batch] file. ] As far as I know, Concurrent DOS (and its successors) are the only things I'm aware of that can support both. Did you try DR-DOS? Is there a freely available version of DR-DOS which supports both? I don't know about free, but there is an available version of both DR-DOS for DOSEmu, here: http://www.drdos.com/downloads/index.html [ I also found RPMs for DOSEmu and DR-DOS on the net for Caldera OpenLinux, but the worked fine on RedHat 7.2. ] And DR-DOS disks/images here: ftp://ftp.lineo.com/pub/drdos/DR-DOS.703/ [ Once I had DOSEmu+DRDOS booting, I used the above images to custom mix a DR-DOS 7.03 release for DOSEmu with the programs I needed. Newer DOSEmu versions let you boot a directory, instead of an image. ] Or even a vaguely available one? I'd rather not pay the $800 Concurrent Controls wants for their latest incarnation of CDOS. As far as cost, Lineo was charging $150 for a DR-DOS 5-pack, and $280 for a DR-DOS 10-pack. But all my inquiries into purchasing it have been _ignored_. The DOSEmu image includes a license that states it _is_free_ for both personal _and_ commercial use, although I don't know about using it for more than 1 system though (as that is all the license grants you, 1 system). -- Bryan -- Bryan J. Smith, Engineermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc. http://www.linux-wlan.org SmithConcepts, Inc. http://www.SmithConcepts.com - 1999 IRS Data: The top 1% of income earners pay over 36% of the taxes, but have less than 20% of the total income. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-msdos in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Concurrent DOS XM 5.2 -- Using DOSEmu to _replace_ ConcurrentDOS!
On 2 Feb 2002, Bryan J. Smith wrote: On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 16:03, Justin Zygmont wrote: oh ya, I guess dosemu would replace its nesessity wouldn't it:) Well I send an email to the companys sales address and it didn't work so maybe they are history now anyways. You mean Concurrent? Or Lineo (a division of Caldera)? concurrent So how many versions of DOS did RH make anyways? Er, I'm missing your point on that one. opps, I mean DR It's amazing how stupid some of these comanies were back then, all they had to do was give it away for personal use and they could have had everything. Actually, read the full DR-DOS license on Lineo's site. It's free for personal use (and a 30-day eval for commercial). The DOSEmu image is free for both personal and commercial use (by 1 license only???). it's too late for all that now, I meant yeasr ago when DOS actually counted. As far as Concurrent, I somewhat agree with you. Of course, they had licensed DR-DOS technology from Caldera, so they might have not been able to, per the licensing terms. Sometimes companies don't have a choice. ;-P especially with Bill Gates at the keyboard:) -- Bryan -- Bryan J. Smith, Engineermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc. http://www.linux-wlan.org SmithConcepts, Inc. http://www.SmithConcepts.com - 1999 IRS Data: The top 1% of income earners pay over 36% of the taxes, but have less than 20% of the total income. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-msdos in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Concurrent DOS XM 5.2 -- Using DOSEmu to _replace_ ConcurrentDOS!
I agree, that's why they should have given it out for personal use years ago, maybe then Bill Gates would still be programming in his basement. On 2 Feb 2002, Bryan J. Smith wrote: On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 20:03, Justin Zygmont wrote: opps, I mean DR Digital Research made an _excellent_product_. Even Bill Gates admit so in private Microsoft E-mails, and new they could only win by bundling DOS and Windows as one product (hence Windows 95). Microsoft also used a rebate program to get rid of DR-DOS in markets where they held a majority share -- e.g., Germany. Microsoft paid Vobis tens of millions of dollars to drop DR-DOS, and gave them hundreds of millions of dollars in free software. I _gladly_ shelled out $50 to buy DR-DOS. I had legal copies of DR-DOS 5.0, 6.0 and Novell DR-DOS 7.0. I also now own the Caldera DR-DOS 7.02 book, which came with one license. it's too late for all that now, I meant yeasr ago when DOS actually counted. DOS is still the #1 selling OS! It's called Windows 98! It's really MS-DOS 7.1 and Windows 4.1 bundled into one product. Caldera was able to _replace_ the MS-DOS 7.0 component in Windows 95, and was working to do the same with 7.1 in Windows 95 OSR2 and Windows 98. After stalling for several years, Microsoft finally settled out of court with Caldera for ~$300M (actual amount was never disclosed). Caldera figured it the money would help fund Linux development better than continued litigation. especially with Bill Gates at the keyboard:) ??? I meant Caldera may have prevented Concurrent from releasing a for personal use only version. Regarding DR-DOS prior to Novell/Caldera ownership, it was worth every penny IMHO. And they only charged OEMs ~$13/copy on average. -- Bryan -- Bryan J. Smith, Engineermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc. http://www.linux-wlan.org SmithConcepts, Inc. http://www.SmithConcepts.com - 1999 IRS Data: The top 1% of income earners pay over 36% of the taxes, but have less than 20% of the total income. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-msdos in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
