On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 07:44:59PM -0700, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Dmitry Torokhov
dmitry.torok...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:05:21PM +0200, Florian Mickler wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:02:24 +1000
Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
And this
2010/6/4 Dmitry Torokhov dmitry.torok...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 07:44:59PM -0700, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Dmitry Torokhov
dmitry.torok...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:05:21PM +0200, Florian Mickler wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:02:24
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:05:18 -0700
Brian Swetland swetl...@google.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:05:14 -0700
Arve Hjønnevåg a...@android.com wrote:
The user-space suspend daemon avoids losing wake-events by using
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
The current suspend-blocker proposal already involves userspace
changes (it's different than our existing wakelock interface), and
we're certainly not opposed to any/all userspace changes on principle,
but on the other hand
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 11:43:06PM -0700, Brian Swetland wrote:
I guess it becomes an question of economics for you then. Does the cost of
whatever user-space changes are required exceed the value of using an
upstream
kernel? Both the cost and the value would be very hard to estimate in
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 10:21 -0400, ty...@mit.edu wrote:
And let's be blunt. If in the future the Android team (which I'm not
a member of) decides that they have invested more engineering time
than they can justify from a business perspective, the next time
someone starts whining on a blog,
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:50:01 +0200 (CEST)
Thomas Gleixner t...@linutronix.de wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Neil Brown wrote:
I think you have acknowledged that there is a race with suspend - thanks.
Next step was can it be
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:05:14 -0700
Arve Hjønnevåg a...@android.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:50:01 +0200 (CEST)
Thomas Gleixner t...@linutronix.de wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Neil Brown wrote:
I think you have
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:06:14 +1000
Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
I cannot imagine why it would take multiple seconds to scan a keypad.
Can you explain that?
Do you mean while keys are held pressed? Maybe you don't get a wake-up event
on key-release? In that case your user-space daemon
2010/6/2 Neil Brown ne...@suse.de:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:05:14 -0700
Arve Hjønnevåg a...@android.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:50:01 +0200 (CEST)
Thomas Gleixner t...@linutronix.de wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Neil Brown
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote:
2010/6/2 Neil Brown ne...@suse.de:
There would still need to be some sort of communication between the the
suspend daemon on any event daemon to ensure that the events had been
processed. This could be very light weight interaction. The point
2010/6/2 Thomas Gleixner t...@linutronix.de:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote:
2010/6/2 Neil Brown ne...@suse.de:
There would still need to be some sort of communication between the the
suspend daemon on any event daemon to ensure that the events had been
processed. This could be
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:05:14 -0700
Arve Hjønnevåg a...@android.com wrote:
The user-space suspend daemon avoids losing wake-events by using
fcntl(F_OWNER) to ensure it gets a signal whenever any important wake-event
is ready to
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:02:24 +1000
Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
And this decision (to block suspend) really needs to be made in the driver,
not in userspace?
Well, it fits. The requirement is a direct consequence of the intimate
knowledge the driver has about the driven devices.
Or if you
On Wednesday 02 June 2010, Neil Brown wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:50:01 +0200 (CEST)
Thomas Gleixner t...@linutronix.de wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Neil Brown wrote:
I think you have acknowledged that there is a race with suspend - thanks.
Next step was can it be closed.
You
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 22:41:14 +0200
Rafael J. Wysocki r...@sisk.pl wrote:
On Wednesday 02 June 2010, Neil Brown wrote:
- Would this fix the bug??
- and address the issues that suspend-blockers was created to address?
- or are the requirements on user-space too onerous?
In theory wakeup
On Thursday 03 June 2010, Neil Brown wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 22:41:14 +0200
Rafael J. Wysocki r...@sisk.pl wrote:
On Wednesday 02 June 2010, Neil Brown wrote:
- Would this fix the bug??
- and address the issues that suspend-blockers was created to address?
- or are the
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:05:21 +0200
Florian Mickler flor...@mickler.org wrote:
Could someone perhaps make a recap on what are the problems with the
API? I have no clear eye (experience?) for that (or so it seems).
Good interface design is an acquired taste. And it isn't always easy to
explain
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:05:21PM +0200, Florian Mickler wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:02:24 +1000
Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
And this decision (to block suspend) really needs to be made in the driver,
not in userspace?
Well, it fits. The requirement is a direct consequence of the
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:32:44 -0700
Dmitry Torokhov dmitry.torok...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:05:21PM +0200, Florian Mickler wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:02:24 +1000
Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
And this decision (to block suspend) really needs to be made in the
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Dmitry Torokhov
dmitry.torok...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:05:21PM +0200, Florian Mickler wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:02:24 +1000
Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
And this decision (to block suspend) really needs to be made in the driver,
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:44:59 -0700
Arve Hjønnevåg a...@android.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Dmitry Torokhov
dmitry.torok...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:05:21PM +0200, Florian Mickler wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:02:24 +1000
Neil Brown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:50:01 +0200 (CEST)
Thomas Gleixner t...@linutronix.de wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Neil Brown wrote:
I think you have acknowledged that there is a race with suspend - thanks.
Next step was can it be closed.
You seem to suggest that it can, but you describe it as a
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