Re: [Linux-PowerEdge] Is the concept of the Lifecycle Controller just being abandoned by Dell?

2017-08-03 Thread Rene Shuster 
Is that OME for whatever Linux distro you use or do you use the OME vCenter
plugin?


On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 2:11 AM, Cameron Smith 
wrote:

> IMHO The Lifecycle Controller works great and I manually upload firmware
> upgrades to it's job queue all the time. It is also what handles updates
> sent from OME which I also use.
>
> ftp.dell.com on the other hand is a joke.
> It needs to be rearchitected to handle the bandwidth to deliver files
> quickly at modern (not dial-up modem) speeds all the time.
>
> DSU is iffy and has it's own problems :)
>
> Cameron
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Shane Forsythe  wrote:
>
>> This is not specific to Linux, I'm frustratingly still at the point where
>> trying to apply updates before can goto install linux.
>>
>> For awhile now there have been numerous posts about how absolutely horrid
>> trying to do firmware updates via the Lifecycle Controller via
>> ftp.dell.com has become.  The bandwidth or hardware devoted to
>> ftp.dell.com does not remotely seem up to the task, when the site is
>> actually up and you can connect, it seems to take many hours for it to
>> actually download the catalog.
>>
>> Numerous times on Dell Support forums it be suggested to download a
>> bootable ISO that will do all the updates.   I literally just spoke with
>> support as I was having trouble even reaching ftp.dell.com , and that
>> was the verbatim answer they gave me.
>>
>>
>> Is that the preferred suggested course of action to upgrade Dell hardware
>> currently?
>> Once a month manually download an iso for each unique piece of hardware
>> you are running?
>>
>> I was forced to download the one for my new unboxed R730xd , and am
>> astonished how bad it is.
>>
>> There are 111 potential updates.  There is no central logic, or inventory
>> collection.
>>
>> Each and every updated package is executed sequentially.
>>
>> Each and every update package , separately does "Collecting Inventory" (
>> which takes a non trivial amount of time  ).  If that specific update
>> doesn't apply to your hardware, you get  "This Update package is not
>> compatible with your system configuration"
>>
>> Even the most basic engineering effort could be made to simplify and
>> streamline this process, this is most bare bones out of the box possible
>> solution that could have been devised.
>>
>> The Lifecycle controller was sold as an innovative intelligent solution
>> by Dell to completely automate the process, each step applied in the Dell
>> approved order ... The initial marketing spiel used to sell it (the
>> Lifecycle contoller)  used the old out dated modes of manually download  as
>> an example of what an improvement this would be!
>>
>> Has the Lifecycle controller method of updating via ftp just fallen out
>> of favor?
>> Is the current vision/plan to just push out the bare bones ISO ?
>> Will there be improvements to the infrastructure that back ftp.dell.com?
>>
>>
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Re: [Linux-PowerEdge] Is the concept of the Lifecycle Controller just being abandoned by Dell?

2017-07-05 Thread Cameron Smith 
IMHO The Lifecycle Controller works great and I manually upload firmware
upgrades to it's job queue all the time. It is also what handles updates
sent from OME which I also use.

ftp.dell.com on the other hand is a joke.
It needs to be rearchitected to handle the bandwidth to deliver files
quickly at modern (not dial-up modem) speeds all the time.

DSU is iffy and has it's own problems :)

Cameron

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Shane Forsythe  wrote:

> This is not specific to Linux, I'm frustratingly still at the point where
> trying to apply updates before can goto install linux.
>
> For awhile now there have been numerous posts about how absolutely horrid
> trying to do firmware updates via the Lifecycle Controller via
> ftp.dell.com has become.  The bandwidth or hardware devoted to
> ftp.dell.com does not remotely seem up to the task, when the site is
> actually up and you can connect, it seems to take many hours for it to
> actually download the catalog.
>
> Numerous times on Dell Support forums it be suggested to download a
> bootable ISO that will do all the updates.   I literally just spoke with
> support as I was having trouble even reaching ftp.dell.com , and that was
> the verbatim answer they gave me.
>
>
> Is that the preferred suggested course of action to upgrade Dell hardware
> currently?
> Once a month manually download an iso for each unique piece of hardware
> you are running?
>
> I was forced to download the one for my new unboxed R730xd , and am
> astonished how bad it is.
>
> There are 111 potential updates.  There is no central logic, or inventory
> collection.
>
> Each and every updated package is executed sequentially.
>
> Each and every update package , separately does "Collecting Inventory" (
> which takes a non trivial amount of time  ).  If that specific update
> doesn't apply to your hardware, you get  "This Update package is not
> compatible with your system configuration"
>
> Even the most basic engineering effort could be made to simplify and
> streamline this process, this is most bare bones out of the box possible
> solution that could have been devised.
>
> The Lifecycle controller was sold as an innovative intelligent solution by
> Dell to completely automate the process, each step applied in the Dell
> approved order ... The initial marketing spiel used to sell it (the
> Lifecycle contoller)  used the old out dated modes of manually download  as
> an example of what an improvement this would be!
>
> Has the Lifecycle controller method of updating via ftp just fallen out of
> favor?
> Is the current vision/plan to just push out the bare bones ISO ?
> Will there be improvements to the infrastructure that back ftp.dell.com?
>
>
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Re: [Linux-PowerEdge] Is the concept of the Lifecycle Controller just being abandoned by Dell?

2017-07-03 Thread Bas van der Vlies 
For DSU to work you need an OS with the Lifecycle controller you are 
independent of the OS.  At our site we download all the firmware updates 
from the dell support site and  copy then to our stepping stone server. 
The firmware updates are done by a program called "recite":
  * http://de.community.dell.com/techcenter/w/wiki/285.recite

For our cluster we have all kind of recite scripts. So we can control 
bios/network/raid-level/idrac settings and do firmware upgrades.

This project has been abandoned by Dell in favor of the industry standard:
  * 
http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/b/techcenter/archive/2014/09/05/dell-amp-redfish-what-you-need-to-know

Currently redfish is too limited. It can not do firmware updates ;-(



On 04/07/2017 00:21, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> We just install Linux and them use dsu to apply updates.
> 
> https://linux.dell.com/repo/hardware/dsu/
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/03/2017 07:11 PM, Shane Forsythe wrote:
>> This is not specific to Linux, I'm frustratingly still at the point 
>> where trying to apply updates before can goto install linux.
>>
>> For awhile now there have been numerous posts about how absolutely 
>> horrid trying to do firmware updates via the Lifecycle Controller via 
>> ftp.dell.com  has become.  The bandwidth or 
>> hardware devoted to ftp.dell.com  does not 
>> remotely seem up to the task, when the site is actually up and you can 
>> connect, it seems to take many hours for it to actually download the 
>> catalog.
>>
>> Numerous times on Dell Support forums it be suggested to download a 
>> bootable ISO that will do all the updates.   I literally just spoke 
>> with support as I was having trouble even reaching ftp.dell.com 
>>  , and that was the verbatim answer they gave me.
>>
>>
>> Is that the preferred suggested course of action to upgrade Dell 
>> hardware currently?
>> Once a month manually download an iso for each unique piece of 
>> hardware you are running?
>>
>> I was forced to download the one for my new unboxed R730xd , and am 
>> astonished how bad it is.
>>
>> There are 111 potential updates.  There is no central logic, or 
>> inventory collection.
>>
>> Each and every updated package is executed sequentially.
>>
>> Each and every update package , separately does "Collecting Inventory" 
>> ( which takes a non trivial amount of time  ).  If that specific 
>> update doesn't apply to your hardware, you get  "This Update package 
>> is not compatible with your system configuration"
>>
>> Even the most basic engineering effort could be made to simplify and 
>> streamline this process, this is most bare bones out of the box 
>> possible solution that could have been devised.
>>
>> The Lifecycle controller was sold as an innovative intelligent 
>> solution by Dell to completely automate the process, each step applied 
>> in the Dell approved order ... The initial marketing spiel used to 
>> sell it (the Lifecycle contoller)  used the old out dated modes of 
>> manually download   as an example of what an improvement this would be!
>>
>> Has the Lifecycle controller method of updating via ftp just fallen 
>> out of favor?
>> Is the current vision/plan to just push out the bare bones ISO ?
>> Will there be improvements to the infrastructure that back 
>> ftp.dell.com ?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Linux-PowerEdge] Is the concept of the Lifecycle Controller just being abandoned by Dell?

2017-07-03 Thread Patrick Boutilier 

We just install Linux and them use dsu to apply updates.

https://linux.dell.com/repo/hardware/dsu/



On 07/03/2017 07:11 PM, Shane Forsythe wrote:
This is not specific to Linux, I'm frustratingly still at the point 
where trying to apply updates before can goto install linux.


For awhile now there have been numerous posts about how absolutely 
horrid trying to do firmware updates via the Lifecycle Controller via 
ftp.dell.com  has become.  The bandwidth or 
hardware devoted to ftp.dell.com  does not remotely 
seem up to the task, when the site is actually up and you can connect, 
it seems to take many hours for it to actually download the catalog.


Numerous times on Dell Support forums it be suggested to download a 
bootable ISO that will do all the updates.   I literally just spoke with 
support as I was having trouble even reaching ftp.dell.com 
 , and that was the verbatim answer they gave me.



Is that the preferred suggested course of action to upgrade Dell 
hardware currently?
Once a month manually download an iso for each unique piece of hardware 
you are running?


I was forced to download the one for my new unboxed R730xd , and am 
astonished how bad it is.


There are 111 potential updates.  There is no central logic, or 
inventory collection.


Each and every updated package is executed sequentially.

Each and every update package , separately does "Collecting Inventory" ( 
which takes a non trivial amount of time  ).  If that specific update 
doesn't apply to your hardware, you get  "This Update package is not 
compatible with your system configuration"


Even the most basic engineering effort could be made to simplify and 
streamline this process, this is most bare bones out of the box possible 
solution that could have been devised.


The Lifecycle controller was sold as an innovative intelligent solution 
by Dell to completely automate the process, each step applied in the 
Dell approved order ... The initial marketing spiel used to sell it (the 
Lifecycle contoller)  used the old out dated modes of manually download 
  as an example of what an improvement this would be!


Has the Lifecycle controller method of updating via ftp just fallen out 
of favor?

Is the current vision/plan to just push out the bare bones ISO ?
Will there be improvements to the infrastructure that back ftp.dell.com 
?




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[Linux-PowerEdge] Is the concept of the Lifecycle Controller just being abandoned by Dell?

2017-07-03 Thread Shane Forsythe 
This is not specific to Linux, I'm frustratingly still at the point where
trying to apply updates before can goto install linux.

For awhile now there have been numerous posts about how absolutely horrid
trying to do firmware updates via the Lifecycle Controller via ftp.dell.com
has become.  The bandwidth or hardware devoted to ftp.dell.com does not
remotely seem up to the task, when the site is actually up and you can
connect, it seems to take many hours for it to actually download the
catalog.

Numerous times on Dell Support forums it be suggested to download a
bootable ISO that will do all the updates.   I literally just spoke with
support as I was having trouble even reaching ftp.dell.com , and that was
the verbatim answer they gave me.


Is that the preferred suggested course of action to upgrade Dell hardware
currently?
Once a month manually download an iso for each unique piece of hardware you
are running?

I was forced to download the one for my new unboxed R730xd , and am
astonished how bad it is.

There are 111 potential updates.  There is no central logic, or inventory
collection.

Each and every updated package is executed sequentially.

Each and every update package , separately does "Collecting Inventory" (
which takes a non trivial amount of time  ).  If that specific update
doesn't apply to your hardware, you get  "This Update package is not
compatible with your system configuration"

Even the most basic engineering effort could be made to simplify and
streamline this process, this is most bare bones out of the box possible
solution that could have been devised.

The Lifecycle controller was sold as an innovative intelligent solution by
Dell to completely automate the process, each step applied in the Dell
approved order ... The initial marketing spiel used to sell it (the
Lifecycle contoller)  used the old out dated modes of manually download  as
an example of what an improvement this would be!

Has the Lifecycle controller method of updating via ftp just fallen out of
favor?
Is the current vision/plan to just push out the bare bones ISO ?
Will there be improvements to the infrastructure that back ftp.dell.com?
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