Re: mdadm 2.1: command line option parsing bug?

2005-11-22 Thread Michael Tokarev
Neil Brown wrote:
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 I would like it to take an argument in contexts where --bitmap was
 meaningful (Create, Assemble, Grow) and not where --brief is
 meaningful (Examine, Detail).  but I don't know if getopt_long will
 allow the 'short_opt' string to be changed half way through
 processing...

getopt allows you to change both long and short options set
before every call (provided argvargc are intact).  But.

Please, pretty please, don't implement the same options with
different meaning.  It's confusing at best.  Assign short options
to frequently-used commands, and leave only long options for the
rest.  I dunno whichever of --brief or --bitmap is more frequent,
I'd say both can be long-only, but since -b already stands for
--brief, don't use it for --bitmap.

 At the very least, I can print a message if '-b' is being interpreted
 as as --brief, but the option argument is present.
 
 -a has the same problem (--add vs --auto).

And this is also bad.  In my opinion anyway.

/mjt
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Re: mdadm 2.1: command line option parsing bug?

2005-11-22 Thread Molle Bestefich
Neil Brown wrote:
 I would like it to take an argument in contexts where --bitmap was
 meaningful (Create, Assemble, Grow) and not where --brief is
 meaningful (Examine, Detail).  but I don't know if getopt_long will
 allow the 'short_opt' string to be changed half way through
 processing...

Here's an honest opinion from a regular user.

mdadm's command line arguments seem arcane and cryptic and unintuitive.
It's difficult to grasp what combinations will actually do something
worthwhile and what combinations will just yield a 'you cannot do
that' output.

I find myself spending 20 minutes with mdadm --help and experimenting
with different commands (which shouldn't be the case when doing RAID
stuff) just to do simple things like create an array or make MD
assemble the devices that compose an array.

I know.  Not very constructive, but a POV anyway.  Maybe I just do not
use MD enough, and so I shouldn't complain, because the interface is
really not designed for the absolute newbie.  If so, then I apologize.

I don't have any constructive suggestions, except to say that the way
the classic Cisco interface does things works very nicely.

A lot of other manufacturers has also started doing things the Cisco
way.  If you don't have a Cisco router available, you can fx. use a
Windows XP box.  Type 'netsh' in a command prompt, then 'help'.  Or
alternatively 'netsh help'.  You get the idea :-).
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Re: Poor Software RAID-0 performance with 2.6.14.2

2005-11-22 Thread Bill Davidsen

Lars Roland wrote:

I have created a stripe across two 500Gb disks located on separate IDE
channels using:

mdadm -Cv /dev/md0 -c32 -n2 -l0 /dev/hdb /dev/hdd

the performance is awful on both kernel 2.6.12.5 and 2.6.14.2 (even
with hdparm and blockdev tuning), both bonnie++ and hdparm (included
below) shows a single disk operating faster than the stripe:


In looking at this I found something interesting, even though you 
identified your problem before I was able to use the data for the 
intended purpose. So other than suggesting that the stripe size is too 
small, nothing on that, your hardware is the issue.


I have two ATA drives connected, and each has two partitions. The first 
partition of each is mirrored for reliability with default 64k chunks, 
and the second is striped, with 512k chunks (I write a lot of 100MB 
files to this f/s).


Reading the individual devices with dd, I saw a transfer rate of about 
60MB/s, while the striped md1 device gave just under 120MB/s. (60.3573 
and 119.6458) actually. However, the mirrored md0 also gave just 60MB/s 
read speed.


One of the advantages of mirroring is that if there is heavy read load 
when one drive is busy there is another copy of the data on the other 
drive(s). But doing 1MB reads on the mirrored device did not show that 
the kernel took advantage of this in any way. In fact, it looks as if 
all the reads are going to the first device, even with multiple 
processes running. Does the md code now set write-mostly by default 
and only go to the redundant drives if the first fails?


I won't be able to do a lot of testing until Thursday, or perhaps 
Wednesday night, but that is not as I expected and not what I want, I do 
mirroring on web and news servers to spread the head motion, now I will 
be looking at the stats to see if that's happening.


I added the raid M/L to the addresses, since this is getting to be 
general RAID question.


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Re: Poor Software RAID-0 performance with 2.6.14.2

2005-11-22 Thread Paul Clements

Bill Davidsen wrote:

One of the advantages of mirroring is that if there is heavy read load 
when one drive is busy there is another copy of the data on the other 
drive(s). But doing 1MB reads on the mirrored device did not show that 
the kernel took advantage of this in any way. In fact, it looks as if 
all the reads are going to the first device, even with multiple 
processes running. Does the md code now set write-mostly by default 
and only go to the redundant drives if the first fails?


No, it doesn't use write-mostly by default. The way raid1 read balancing 
works (in recent kernels) is this:


- sequential reads continue to go to the first disk

- for non-sequential reads, the code tries to pick the disk whose head 
is closest to the sector that needs to be read


So even if the reads aren't exactly sequential, you probably still end 
up reading from the first disk most of the time. I imagine with a more 
random read pattern you'd see the second disk getting used.


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Re: mdadm 2.1: command line option parsing bug?

2005-11-22 Thread Andre Noll
On 10:21, Neil Brown wrote:

 -a has the same problem (--add vs --auto).
 
 I'll see what I can do,

gengetopt? (http://www.gnu.org/software/gengetopt/)

Andre
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