Re: License Questions

2007-09-07 Thread Rob Taylor
Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Sparse uses The Open Software License v. 1.1 which contains this clause:
 
 9) Acceptance and Termination. If You distribute copies of the
 Original Work or a Derivative Work, You must make a reasonable
 effort under the circumstances to obtain the express and
 volitional assent of recipients to the terms of this License.
 
 What does this mean for hosting a public git repository[1] to organize
 sparse patches? Do I have to put some Accept License page in front 
 of it? How do I force git to show that Accept License page when
 downloading from that repository? 
 
 What does this clause mean for sending patches to the mailing list. 
 Shouldn't the patches be attached as password protected source archive
 and the message contain something like By extracting that archive you
 declare to obey the terms of The Open Software License?
 
 Maybe that password thing is a solution for making git repositories 
 OSL compliant?

Oh dear, I just found out that Debian considers OSL 1.1 non-free, though
not for this clause (which does seem particularly onerous), but for
clause 10.

That could be a problem for us GLib guys, as that would force gnome into
contrib!

Rob

 Thank you,
 Mathias
 
 [1] http://taschenorakel.de/git/sparse


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Re: License Questions

2007-09-07 Thread Rob Taylor
Rob Taylor wrote:
 Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
 Hello,

 Sparse uses The Open Software License v. 1.1 which contains this clause:

 9) Acceptance and Termination. If You distribute copies of the
 Original Work or a Derivative Work, You must make a reasonable
 effort under the circumstances to obtain the express and
 volitional assent of recipients to the terms of this License.

 What does this mean for hosting a public git repository[1] to organize
 sparse patches? Do I have to put some Accept License page in front 
 of it? How do I force git to show that Accept License page when
 downloading from that repository? 

 What does this clause mean for sending patches to the mailing list. 
 Shouldn't the patches be attached as password protected source archive
 and the message contain something like By extracting that archive you
 declare to obey the terms of The Open Software License?

 Maybe that password thing is a solution for making git repositories 
 OSL compliant?
 
 Oh dear, I just found out that Debian considers OSL 1.1 non-free, though
 not for this clause (which does seem particularly onerous), but for
 clause 10.
 
 That could be a problem for us GLib guys, as that would force gnome into
 contrib!

FWIW, OSL 3.0 [1] is a lot more sane, but I'd guess relicensing is not
an option for sparse due to Transmeta holding some copyright.

An option for us glib guys would be to mandate only using sparse at make
dist time, I *think* that'd allow libraries using it to be considered
for 'main'

Thanks,
Rob

 Rob
 
 Thank you,
 Mathias

 [1] http://taschenorakel.de/git/sparse
 
 


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Re: License Questions

2007-09-07 Thread Linus Torvalds


On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:

 
 Yup, out of all GPL incompatible licenses choosing OSL 1.1 probably was 
 the worst one Linus could choose. Maybe this stupid licensing choice 
 explains why this pretty code which sparse is doesn't get the attention 
 it deserves... :-(

Yeah, the OSL wasn't the best choice. I tried to change it (look in the 
sparse email archives) a few years ago, but I never got in contact with 
anybody at Transmeta back then who could have the power to relicense, and 
while my work with Linux has always been unquestionably mine (ie my work 
contract explicitly stated such), with sparse it isn't as obvious..

So back then, I couldn't get anybody to look at it (not that I tried all 
that hard), and I don't think I even have any contacts left to people I 
know at Transmeta any more.

Linus
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