Re: [linux-usb-devel] Security and USB.

2005-01-24 Thread Alan Cox
On Sul, 2005-01-23 at 05:43, Greg KH wrote: > But as you already have physical access to the machine, it's quite easy > to comprimise it in other ways, so "hostile" USB devices aren't really a > pressing issue. This is becoming the most worn out security myth on the planet. Physical access in man

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Security and USB.

2005-01-23 Thread Greg KH
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 10:41:13AM -0800, David Brownell wrote: > On Saturday 22 January 2005 9:43 pm, Greg KH wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 09:36:28PM +, Lilliput wrote: > > > Then my second question was about the USB stack integrity (no specific > > > to a linux platform) Do you think th

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Security and USB.

2005-01-23 Thread David Brownell
On Sunday 23 January 2005 8:42 am, Mark Williamson wrote: > > If USB peripherals could have arbitrary access to host memory by misbehaving > then this would be a serious worry, security-wise. This is not the case for > any HC I'm aware of. That is, from the threat analysis perspective any USB

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Security and USB.

2005-01-23 Thread David Brownell
On Saturday 22 January 2005 5:33 pm, Mark Williamson wrote: > > Then my second question was about the USB stack integrity (no specific > > to a linux platform) Do you think that devices could create an overflow > > in order to take control/install a software in the computer ? > > In terms of DMAin

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Security and USB.

2005-01-23 Thread David Brownell
On Saturday 22 January 2005 9:43 pm, Greg KH wrote: > On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 09:36:28PM +, Lilliput wrote: > > Then my second question was about the USB stack integrity (no specific > > to a linux platform) Do you think that devices could create an overflow > > in order to take control/install

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Security and USB.

2005-01-23 Thread Mark Williamson
> There's nothing unique about USB in this respect. Every device driver in > the kernel is potentially subject to such an attack. Do you have any > reason to think that USB might be especially vulnerable? Just speculating here, since I don't know what Fabien was originally thinking about: in sh

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Security and USB.

2005-01-23 Thread Alan Stern
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Lilliput wrote: > Hello all ;) > > I writing a research paper for the University of Bradford (UK). > I'm looking for some security issue, through different type of > communication in the USB protocoles. > > The first one is USB sniffing; software and hardware. > * s

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Security and USB.

2005-01-22 Thread Greg KH
On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 09:36:28PM +, Lilliput wrote: > Then my second question was about the USB stack integrity (no specific > to a linux platform) Do you think that devices could create an overflow > in order to take control/install a software in the computer ? Yes, this could easily happe

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Security and USB.

2005-01-22 Thread Mark Williamson
> Then my second question was about the USB stack integrity (no specific > to a linux platform) Do you think that devices could create an overflow > in order to take control/install a software in the computer ? In terms of DMAing to buffers, the only device you have to trust to play nice is your