Robert Himmelmann wrote:
I began programming with "Java for Dummies" published by MITP when I
was about 13. I think Java is good for beginig with because it has a
clear structure. "Java for Dummies" is a bit out of date, but I
teaches the basics. It is also not very thick and not a big investion
At 2005-01-11T07:39:24+1300, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> yes and no. Syntax is the biggest hurdle to learning programming. You
> can postpone exposure to the complexities in python for longer than
> you can do so in Java.
I'm not sure I entirely agree. Syntax can be a big hurdle, especially
for languag
Matthew Gregan wrote:
At 2005-01-10T15:19:30+1300, Carl Cerecke wrote:
This simple program includes the concepts of:
classes,
method definitions,
formal parameters,
arrays,
visibility,
return values,
strings,
access control,
packages,
method calls,
types,
packages,
printstreams,
object hierarchies
At 2005-01-10T15:19:30+1300, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> This simple program includes the concepts of:
> classes,
> method definitions,
> formal parameters,
> arrays,
> visibility,
> return values,
> strings,
> access control,
> packages,
> method calls,
> types,
> packages,
> printstreams,
> object hie
Robert Himmelmann wrote:
I think Java is good for beginig with because it has a clear
structure.
Here is "Hello World" in Java:
class hw {
public static void main(String args[]) {
System.out.println("Hello world");
}
}
This simple program includes the concepts of:
classes,
method definitio
If you are getting that complex I think your better off with
a tablet. I use a PDA at work with a Gtrans and the amount
of soft resets I go thru each day drives me insane.
As a project I made a xhmtl version to see if I was better
off, my phone didn't crash once. Working on a Java version
now - as
On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 17:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> For example?
Entering memos without a keyboard.
Dragging diary entries between days.
Signature capture.
Vik :v)
carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape"
For example?
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From: "Vik Olliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CLUG"
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Python book "Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner"
> On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 10:04, [EMAIL PRO
On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 10:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yeah but you need to spend over a grand to get a handset that will run it!
> Vodafones crapiest phone runs java. But hey were all friends here, go GNU!
Well, I'm an embedded programmer and I still think that if a J2ME phone
is the answer, it'
Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Python book "Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner"
> On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 23:00, Jason wrote:
> > Don't see many Python embedded cellphones. Then again J2ME is just a
> > flash in the pan.
>
> Yup.
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 23:00, Jason wrote:
> Don't see many Python embedded cellphones. Then again J2ME is just a
> flash in the pan.
Yup. I'm using SuperWaba for all my my PDA/Phone stuff these days. Works
under Symbian, PalmOS, Linux, Java and that Windows thing.
Vik :v)
CAUTION: The inform
Don't see many Python embedded cellphones. Then again J2ME is just a
flash in the pan.
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 19:12 +1300, Robert Himmelmann wrote:
> >> I don't like the idea of "easy programming languages". Something you
> >> can use later and for useful programs is better. I think that's more
I don't like the idea of "easy programming languages". Something you
can use later and for useful programs is better. I think that's more
encouraging than some nice output or games and creating something
usefull is what programming is mostly about.
And Python isn't a useful language I find
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 05:14:33PM +1300, Robert Himmelmann wrote:
> I think Java is good for beginig with because it has a clear
> structure.
uhm, even university teachers do not like to teach java to beginners.
java requires you to teach the verbose syntax of OO programming first,
before the st
I don't like the idea of "easy programming languages". Something you
can use later and for useful programs is better. I think that's more
encouraging than some nice output or games and creating something
usefull is what programming is mostly about.
And Python isn't a useful language I find P
I began programming with "Java for Dummies" published by MITP when I was
about 13. I think Java is good for beginig with because it has a clear
structure. "Java for Dummies" is a bit out of date, but I teaches the
basics. It is also not very thick and not a big investion. Afterwards I
read the
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:44, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:16, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>I'm thinking of buying the book "Python Programming for the Absolute
> >>Beginner" by Michael Dawson for my older daughter's 8th birthday. Has
> >>anybody here
Martin Baehr wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:59:44PM +1300, Carl Cerecke wrote:
I've never seen anybody learn their first computer language without a
book of some sort. Even experienced programmers need books to learn a
language.
where do you get that idea?
i didn't learn any of my languages f
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:59:44PM +1300, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> I've never seen anybody learn their first computer language without a
> book of some sort. Even experienced programmers need books to learn a
> language.
where do you get that idea?
i didn't learn any of my languages from a book.
so
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:16, Carl Cerecke wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking of buying the book "Python Programming for the Absolute
Beginner" by Michael Dawson for my older daughter's 8th birthday. Has
anybody here used the book?
Would appreciate comments/suggestions.
Cheers,
Carl.
Also new out - same subje
Martin Bähr wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:46:40AM +1300, Jason Greenwood wrote:
You said it 'there has to be an inherent interest'. Is there? Or is this
wishful thinking (hoping?) on dads part? If so, it'll collect dust on a
shelf most likely...
that's the trouble with giving presents on ce
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:16, Carl Cerecke wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking of buying the book "Python Programming for the Absolute
Beginner" by Michael Dawson for my older daughter's 8th birthday. Has
anybody here used the book?
Would appreciate comments/suggestions.
wadr, after lo
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:22:46AM +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> To be effective, programming environments for children should be very visual,
> FUN, interactive and instantaneous.
not necessarily. here at the linuxtag there is one kde developer who got
his son programming in c. commandline
I totally agree and wish you (and her) all the best. =)
Cheers
Jason
Carl Cerecke wrote:
Jason Greenwood wrote:
You said it 'there has to be an inherent interest'. Is there? Or is
this wishful thinking (hoping?) on dads part? If so, it'll collect
dust on a shelf most likely...
Good point. A par
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:46:40AM +1300, Jason Greenwood wrote:
> You said it 'there has to be an inherent interest'. Is there? Or is this
> wishful thinking (hoping?) on dads part? If so, it'll collect dust on a
> shelf most likely...
that's the trouble with giving presents on certain specifi
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:16, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm thinking of buying the book "Python Programming for the Absolute
> Beginner" by Michael Dawson for my older daughter's 8th birthday. Has
> anybody here used the book?
>
> Would appreciate comments/suggestions.
wadr, after looking at the Am
Jason Greenwood wrote:
You said it 'there has to be an inherent interest'. Is there? Or is this
wishful thinking (hoping?) on dads part? If so, it'll collect dust on a
shelf most likely...
Good point. A parent can make an educated guess, but usually it comes
down to "try it and see". Same goes
You said it 'there has to be an inherent interest'. Is there? Or is this
wishful thinking (hoping?) on dads part? If so, it'll collect dust on a
shelf most likely...
My .002c worth.
Cheers
Jason
Carl Cerecke wrote:
Derek Smithies wrote:
I think it is somewhat futile to get a book on a computer
Derek Smithies wrote:
I think it is somewhat futile to get a book on a computer language in the
hope that the recipient will learn the language. More important than the
book is a pressing task that requires the use of some language. With the
pressing task comes the requisite enthusiasm to learn
On 6/01/2005, at 10:15 AM, Derek Smithies wrote:
There is a holy war brewing here - what language to learn? Is it
python,
C++, pike, D, perl, bash, Ruby, (memory failing here - the list is
endless).
Yep, its Python :)
Hugo.
Hi,
on buying a book for your daughter - this reminds me of a friend's 10 yr
old son.
The son said, "time to buy Dad a present - it is his birthday soon. I
think he would really enjoy this XBox game".
You guessed right, the son played the games zillions of times - Dad never saw
it.
==
Hi,
I'm thinking of buying the book "Python Programming for the Absolute
Beginner" by Michael Dawson for my older daughter's 8th birthday. Has
anybody here used the book?
Would appreciate comments/suggestions.
Cheers,
Carl.
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