Re: The Free Software Foundation's open letter to the UnitedLinux Board

2002-09-20 Thread m.w.chang
insesant wisecraks? what the hack is that? doens't seem to be english. oh.. I never knew the Love is with UL now was a rumour. sorry about that. Isn't UL more related to electricity? it's on the back my power supply, and my monitor. :) Do you understand that Ransom Love IS NOT A PART OF

Re: iptables log analysis

2002-09-20 Thread m.w.chang
a piece of cake for me if I use clipper/foxpro and even C. # chkhit /var/log/messages port,hits 25,10 139,1 6112,20 # -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\ http://www.linux-sxs.org

Re: The Free Software Foundation's open letter to the UnitedLinuxBoard

2002-09-20 Thread ronnie gauthier
Send me some of that shit you're smoking. On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:36:27 +0800 m.w.chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: insesant wisecraks? what the hack is that? doens't seem to be english. oh.. I never knew the Love is with UL now was a rumour. sorry about that. Isn't UL more related to

Re: small computer

2002-09-20 Thread ronnie gauthier
always that little gotcha somewhere. On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:37:58 +0200 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked. I have seen this. It is quite nice. The proviso on my question was that it had to hold a full length PCI card. On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:22:13 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL

system crashed?

2002-09-20 Thread m.w.chang
out of boredom, I did these, over the openssh connection: cd /proc cd devices cat * ... connection to server lost after a few minutes, I telnet back to my server at port 23. got this: ISS Telnet Configuration Please enter password: I am still in the office, so didn't know what really

Re: The Free Software Foundation's open letter to the UnitedLinux Board

2002-09-20 Thread m.w.chang
ok, this stuff should do it: Virtual Keyboard: http://www.canesta.com/videos/keyboard.asf http://www.canesta.com/chipset.htm ronnie gauthier wrote: Send me some of that shit you're smoking. -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust. / v \

Re: small computer

2002-09-20 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 03:10:11 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: always that little gotcha somewhere. More than little. It is a real problem. We use a DSP card that is this size. And this size is getting very unpopular. Fewer and fewer boxes support it. The ones that do seem to go

Re: iptables log analysis

2002-09-20 Thread David A. Bandel
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:27:55 +0800 begin m.w.chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: anyone got an *existing* script that could list the ports being blocked by iptables in /var/log/messages plus the number of hits. like this: # chkhit /var/log/messages port,hits 25,10 139,1 6112,20 #

Re: Update GCC from 2.95.2: 2.95.3, 3.1.1, or 3.2?

2002-09-20 Thread Tim Wunder
Well, if you must know, I've considered GenToo, but I want something that I can get up and running fairly quickly, as I've other users to be concerned about. Once I have RedHat 7.3 running, I'll have another spare partition to experiment with. But I think I'll take a whack at LFS and BLFS

Updated Step

2002-09-20 Thread Nobody
Doug Hunley has just updated http://www.linux-sxs.org/razor.html to incorporate the following: Updated for configuration of new version 2 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -

Re: system crashed?

2002-09-20 Thread m.w.chang
it really crashed the system. pondering why... cd /proc cd devices cat * connection to server lost -- .~.Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\ http://www.linux-sxs.org ^ ^2.4.19 7:45pm up 14 min, 0 users, load

Re: iptables log analysis

2002-09-20 Thread m.w.chang
I just need example to get started. my perl is really weak despite of my agiility in foxpro and c. Sep 20 19:51:44 server kernel: iptables IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=64.4.13.202 DST=218.102.112.235 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=119 ID=17967 PROTO=TCP SPT=1863 DPT=3018 WINDOW=16821 RES=0x00 ACK FIN

Re: Update GCC from 2.95.2: 2.95.3, 3.1.1, or 3.2?

2002-09-20 Thread Collins
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:54:46 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you must know, I've considered GenToo, but I want something that I can get up and running fairly quickly, as I've other users to be concerned about. Once I have RedHat 7.3 running, I'll have another spare

Re: unitedlinux news conference

2002-09-20 Thread Ben Duncan
That is if you do a fresh 8.0 install. I upgraded this boxen from SuSe 7.3 to 8.0 and it kept all the SuSEconfig stuff, as well as the dependancies on it. I have stumbled across on 8.0, that you can turn of all SuSEconfig checking as well as it checkperms stuff. But it then tells you you will

Re: Update GCC from 2.95.2: 2.95.3, 3.1.1, or 3.2?

2002-09-20 Thread Bob Raymond
On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 13:39, Tim Wunder wrote: On 9/20/2002 2:34 AM, someone claiming to be Collins wrote: snipped Gentoo always installs using a chrooted environment as does LFS, but why on earth would you want to use one or the other to install the other one? If you want LFS or

Re: unitedlinux news conference

2002-09-20 Thread Tim Wunder
Did anybody else get two copies of this e-mail? On 9/20/2002 8:49 AM, someone claiming to be Ben Duncan wrote: That is if you do a fresh 8.0 install. I upgraded this boxen from SuSe 7.3 to 8.0 and it kept all the SuSEconfig stuff, as well as the dependancies on it. I have stumbled across

Re: unitedlinux news conference

2002-09-20 Thread Kurt Wall
On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:55:26AM -0400, Tim Wunder wrote: Did anybody else get two copies of this e-mail? [snippage] Yes. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -

Re: system crashed?

2002-09-20 Thread Kurt Wall
On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:00:01PM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: it really crashed the system. pondering why... cd /proc cd devices cat * connection to server lost Hmm. On my systems, /proc/devices is a file, not a directory. K ___

Re: unitedlinux news conference

2002-09-20 Thread Bob Raymond
On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 13:55, Tim Wunder wrote: Did anybody else get two copies of this e-mail? yes ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Friday 20 September 2002 07:21 am,dep wrote: the other shoe has dropped: Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium trusted -- meaning Microsoft- approved software only -- support in its next generation of chips, according to published reports.

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Stuart Biggerstaff
So... maybe the opportunity VIA needs? Besides furnishing chips for the $200.00 Lindows system Walmart sells At 10:21 AM 9/20/02 -0400, dep wrote: the other shoe has dropped: Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium trusted -- meaning Microsoft- approved software only --

Re: unitedlinux news conference

2002-09-20 Thread Ben Duncan
I sent it and got back 2 as well hmmm If this gives 2, maybe my ISP got problems OR Maybe bouncing from the EDI list ? Ben Duncan wrote: That is if you do a fresh 8.0 install. I upgraded this boxen from SuSe 7.3 to 8.0 and it kept all the SuSEconfig stuff, as well as the

Re: grub splash screens revisited

2002-09-20 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage
On Thursday 19 September 2002 22:54, Douglas J Hunley wrote: argh! screenshots man! screenshots! I'm not gonna reboot just to see what they are! of course, I could just unzip them and load them in an image viewer, but where's the fun in that? I really would have liked to supply screenshots,

Re: Update GCC from 2.95.2: 2.95.3, 3.1.1, or 3.2?

2002-09-20 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Tim Wunder wrote: Well, if you must know, I've considered GenToo, but I want something that I can get up and running fairly quickly, as I've other users to be concerned about. Once I have RedHat 7.3 running, I'll have another spare partition to experiment with. But I

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 07:21 am,dep wrote: the other shoe has dropped: Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium trusted -- meaning Microsoft- approved software only -- support in its next generation of chips, according to

Re: unitedlinux news conference

2002-09-20 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Duncan spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: I sent it and got back 2 as well hmmm If this gives 2, maybe my ISP got problems OR Maybe bouncing from the EDI list ? the edi list has *nothing* to do with this list. that's

Re: The Free Software Foundation's open letter to the UnitedLinuxBoard

2002-09-20 Thread ronnie gauthier
Ah, the famous sniff of fools, sails again. On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:12:33 +0800 m.w.chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no way, mon ami. besidse, sniff, not smoke. will inhale better. ronnie gauthier wrote: Send me some of that shit you're smoking. insesant wisecraks? what the hack is that?

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Pam R
On Friday 20 September 2002 3:21 pm, dep wrote: the other shoe has dropped: Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium trusted -- meaning Microsoft- approved software only -- support in its next generation of chips, according to published reports.

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Friday 20 September 2002 10:44 am,Pam R wrote: snip Palladium is an opt-in system. Palladium is entirely an opt-in solution; systems will ship with the Palladium hardware and software features turned off. The user of the system can choose to simply stay with this default setting,

RE: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Pam, I don't quite understand what the fuss is all about, to quote from MS's http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/0724pal ladiumwp.asp SNIP Palladium is an opt-in system. SNIP Turning Palladium completely off includes turning it off in hardware, which

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread R. Quenett
Who was it who remarked to the effect that 'a merchant would sell the rope to be used at his own hanging'? R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one,

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Joel Hammer
Lenin. Joel On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 05:32:56PM -0500, R. Quenett wrote: Who was it who remarked to the effect that 'a merchant would sell the rope to be used at his own hanging'? R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Lee
If the Hollings's bill ever gets passed it would be a federal offense to run thwe chip with Palladium switched off. Tony Alfrey wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 10:44 am,Pam R wrote: snip Palladium is an opt-in system. Palladium is entirely an opt-in solution; systems will

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread R. Quenett
from Joel Hammer: Lenin. Fitting. Thanks. R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Lee
R. Quenett wrote: Who was it who remarked to the effect that 'a merchant would sell the rope to be used at his own hanging'? R -- http://www.quen.net\ That was Lenin, when we hang the last capitalist he will supply the rope. Lee Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her

Questions hindering my use of Linux

2002-09-20 Thread Bonez
Dear Group: I have a few questions I am trying to resolve, in my use of linux. First, for those curious, I am running Caldera Open Linux Workstation 3.1, on a Pentium II machine, with 296mb ram. Here are my problems: When rebooting, I end up with a system frozen with the following as the

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
It may be optional now but as soon as they can MS will make it non-optional. That's what they've done for everything so far - once they got the software market sewed up they hiked prices and but the screws to everyone. If you look at what it is it's typical MS - a nonsolution to a problem

Re: Questions hindering my use of Linux

2002-09-20 Thread Ken Moffat
Bonez wrote: Dear Group: I have a few questions I am trying to resolve, in my use of linux. First, for those curious, I am running Caldera Open Linux Workstation 3.1, on a Pentium II machine, with 296mb ram. Here are my problems: When rebooting, I end up with a system frozen

Re: Questions hindering my use of Linux

2002-09-20 Thread Scott S. Jones D.C.
Ken: I tried that...and it produced the same situation. Someone told me that it might be that i need to add something like 'apm=off' to my lilo boot sequence.. I am not sure though. Scott On Friday 20 September 2002 18:26, you wrote: Bonez wrote: Dear Group: I have a few

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread R. Quenett
from Lee: That was Lenin, when we hang the last capitalist he will supply the rope. Thankyou. That was the thought that popped into my mind when reading the AMD will support Palladium story, but I couldn't remember the source. R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and

Re: Update GCC from 2.95.2: 2.95.3, 3.1.1, or 3.2?

2002-09-20 Thread Tim Wunder
On Friday 20 September 2002 07:54 am, Bob Raymond wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 13:39, Tim Wunder wrote: snip OK. From what I've read on GenToo, I need to boot into it to install. If I can install GenToo in a spare partition while keeping my *real* system running, I'm interested. Please

Re: Update GCC from 2.95.2: 2.95.3, 3.1.1, or 3.2?

2002-09-20 Thread Net Llama!
Tim Wunder wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 07:54 am, Bob Raymond wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 13:39, Tim Wunder wrote: snip OK. From what I've read on GenToo, I need to boot into it to install. If I can install GenToo in a spare partition while keeping my *real* system running, I'm

Re: Update GCC from 2.95.2: 2.95.3, 3.1.1, or 3.2?

2002-09-20 Thread Tim Wunder
On Friday 20 September 2002 09:18 pm, Net Llama! wrote: Tim Wunder wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 07:54 am, Bob Raymond wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 13:39, Tim Wunder wrote: snip OK. From what I've read on GenToo, I need to boot into it to install. If I can install GenToo in a

Re: Update GCC from 2.95.2: 2.95.3, 3.1.1, or 3.2?

2002-09-20 Thread Net Llama!
Tim Wunder wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 09:18 pm, Net Llama! wrote: Tim Wunder wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 07:54 am, Bob Raymond wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 13:39, Tim Wunder wrote: snip OK. From what I've read on GenToo, I need to boot into it to install. If I can install

Re: system crashed?

2002-09-20 Thread m.w.chang
anyway, I would not cat the /proc/devices/00/* again... :) Iit possibly generated some garbbles that crashed the openssh daemon... Kurt Wall wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:00:01PM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: it really crashed the system. pondering why... cd /proc cd devices cat *

symbol count in a text file [iptables log]

2002-09-20 Thread m.w.chang
further to my questino on an analysis tool for iptables log. is there a unix textutils or alike that would count the number of unique symbols in a text file and produce a frequency distribition of them? It should be a common feature in most compilers. I could write one, but just wonder

Re: [chat]

2002-09-20 Thread m.w.chang
bon voyage... ronnie gauthier wrote: Ah, the famous sniff of fools, sails again. no way, mon ami. besidse, sniff, not smoke. will inhale better. -- .~.Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\ http://www.linux-sxs.org ^ ^2.4.19

Re: symbol count in a text file [iptables log]

2002-09-20 Thread David A. Bandel
On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:09:40 +0800 begin m.w.chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: further to my questino on an analysis tool for iptables log. is there a unix textutils or alike that would count the number of unique symbols in a text file and produce a frequency distribition of them? It

Re: iptables log analysis

2002-09-20 Thread David A. Bandel
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:04:49 +0800 begin m.w.chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: I just need example to get started. my perl is really weak despite of my agiility in foxpro and c. Sep 20 19:51:44 server kernel: iptables IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=64.4.13.202 DST=218.102.112.235 LEN=40

your broken glibc/atexit problem solution!!!!

2002-09-20 Thread Greg Schafer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ok, I have reinstated mention of this on my tweaks page. Hopefully this might assist in stopping many people from building systems with broken glibc's. To reiterate the problem:- * if your Ch 5 gcc build says checking assembler hidden

Re: QuickTime 5

2002-09-20 Thread Raymond Russell
On 9/10/02 6:41, Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 10 September 2002 01:20 pm, Tim Wunder espoused with vigour: Well, she's just starting the class, so I don't have any examples. As a test, I plan on going to http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/movies/index.jsp?frompage=nav to