Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-21 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Careful, Bill :) If you remove majority right, you start have to start asking what's right and wrong, and you can't really discuss right and wrong without either majority consensus or religeon :) GOD ROCKS. Aside from that, you're absolutely correct in this statement. On Sun, 20 Oct 2002

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-21 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:13:07AM -0500, Robert Black Eagle wrote: .. I think the US' record of establishing deceng government(s) is a bit poor. We put in the Taliban. We established the dictatorship of the Shah in Iran (and we see where that led)... Bad example. The Shah was attempting to

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-21 Thread Matthew Carpenter
I understand this can be considered subjective, so don't bother replying with that. The key difference is that Saddam has proven himself a madman who is not to be trusted with WMDs. We have not always done what is right, but I would venture that we are much more predictable than Saddam or other

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-21 Thread Lee
Marvin Dickens wrote: It is truly amazing how political dialog degenerates into armchair psychology. This whole thing is about oil, nothing more or less. Mr. Bush is/has acting/acted on the advice of his closest advisors: Arco, BP-Amoco, Texaco and et al... All of the terrorists

Re: ADMIN: THREAD IS DEAD! (was: we shall remember them)

2002-10-21 Thread Collins
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:50:06 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 22 October 2002 12:16 am, Douglas J Hunley espoused with vigour: This topic has veered way off-topic and has started to turn ugly. Please refrain from posting to this thread from this point forward.

Re: ADMIN: THREAD IS DEAD! (was: we shall remember them)

2002-10-21 Thread m.w.chang
just learn to use the [ot] tag... less intrusive. Thanks, Doug, for letting this run a bit. In times like these, we all need to vent. -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\

Re: ADMIN: THREAD IS DEAD! (was: we shall remember them)

2002-10-21 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 m.w.chang spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: just learn to use the [ot] tag... less intrusive. no. learn to use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] . *way* less intrusive, and that's what that list is for - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at

Re: ADMIN: THREAD IS DEAD! (was: we shall remember them)

2002-10-21 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Collins spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: Thanks, Doug, for letting this run a bit. In times like these, we all need to vent. no need to thank. the thread can be moved to general (as long as people remain civil), it just doesn't

Re: ADMIN: THREAD IS DEAD! (was: we shall remember them)

2002-10-21 Thread m.w.chang
I guess the original author wanted to air his anger in front of a larger, known audience... :) Douglas J Hunley wrote: just learn to use the [ot] tag... less intrusive. no. learn to use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] . *way* less intrusive, and that's what that list is for -- Swiftly. Silently.

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Lee
Joel Hammer wrote: So, the message is clear to Westerners: Keep out of Muslim territory. Joel Would have to disagree. You forgot the Turks. Turkey has been one of the west's most reliable allies. They are even members of NATO. The Turks are probably the only Islamic nation with a desire to

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Ken Moffat
David A. Bandel wrote: If you have a better answer, I'm sure Bush would be happy to hear it. But I don't think Saddam and the terrorists will stop just because you asked them to. History says otherwise. Roosevelt and Churchill are not what sensible civilized folks want as role models, but

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Rick Forrister
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 07:58:33 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 07:56:28 +1000 begin Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: [snip] Radical Muslims (in fact a large portion of the middle east) thinks

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Ken Moffat
Rick Forrister wrote: My convictions, for a long time have been to never start trouble - and to end it, when started, with great conviction. I agree, but... - Why are Turkey and Kuwait, 2 strong US allies, firmly in favor of further diplomacy and inspections, not bombing and invasion? - Why

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Matthew Carpenter
I'm a bit torn on some of the topics here. First off, I'll turn some of you off by starting out that I agree with Bush, Dep, and Collins, et al. I believe in mercy and grace to a large degree. I also believe that sometimes force is required. While I hardly ever beat up the bully, there are

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Matthew Carpenter
I would truly enjoy hearing your opinion on this question On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:41:02-0700Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/20/02 13:03, ronnie gauthier wrote: Yes, it did. International majority opinion does not have a gun at its head, we do. I think the better

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Richard Thompson
Uh, how about this instead ... You are my asshole neighbor. You throw rocks, you make noises ... I buy you a cup of coffee, we talk ... I make it perfectly clear that I have no intention of changing my family's life to accomodate your grand vision of pan-asshole-unity. I have no intention

we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Keith Antoine
As of midight tonight Australia is in a state of mourning for 24 hrs, for its dead and injured in Bali. The first body came back today, although 2 bad cases which were evacuated have since died, its the first from The list of dead and missing. Looks like we might have a total of 180+ dead. I

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Collins
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:13:41 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As of midight tonight Australia is in a state of mourning for 24 hrs, for its dead and injured in Bali. The first body came back today, although 2 bad cases which were evacuated have since died, its the first from The

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Andrew Mathews
Keith Antoine wrote: As of midight tonight Australia is in a state of mourning for 24 hrs, for its dead and injured in Bali. The first body came back today, although 2 bad cases which were evacuated have since died, its the first from The list of dead and missing. Looks like we might have a

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread ronnie gauthier
We feel your pain. I fear this is a precursor for the norm of the future. I'm beginning to feel our President Bush is correct, Iraq will be a good starting point and a well deserved example for the others that have sympathy for islamic radicals, never mind all the other WMD reasons. On Sat, 19

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Ted Ozolins
On Saturday 19 October 2002 05:13, Keith Antoine wrote: As of midight tonight Australia is in a state of mourning for 24 hrs, for its dead and injured in Bali. The first body came back today, although 2 bad cases which were evacuated have since died, its the first from The list of dead and

RE: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread kbb0927
Keith, I feel your pain and anger. I lost several members of my church in the Pentagon attack on 9.11.01. Just take comfort in knowing that others care and we deeply sympathize with you and your nation. I for one wish that your nation heals as we have tried to. God Bless you and God Bless

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Bob Raymond
Keith Antoine wrote: As of midight tonight Australia is in a state of mourning for 24 hrs, for its dead and injured in Bali. The first body came back today, although 2 bad cases which were evacuated have since died, its the first from The list of dead and missing. Looks like we might have a

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Ken Moffat
ronnie gauthier wrote: We feel your pain. I fear this is a precursor for the norm of the future. I'm beginning to feel our President Bush is correct, Iraq will be a good starting point and a well deserved example for the others that have sympathy for islamic radicals, never mind all the other WMD

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Ben Duncan
My heart goes out to those who have lost loved ones. It also saddens me , that in the name of RELIGION, innocents have been killed. I wish grace and blessings in the face of this tragedy to the denizens of the greater Southern Hemisphere. It shows that cowardice of those who condone and support

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Joel Hammer
I must respond to your idea that Australia's decency in East Timor caused this attack. I am not in your part of the world, but, I suspect those Austrialians just happened to be a convenient Western target for Muslim terrorists. Muslim terrorists are not too fussy about whom they kill. They will

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread kwall
of dead and missing. Looks like we might have a total of 180+ dead. [silence] We shall remember them here, too. Monsters have started this; we shall finish it. My sympathies to all y'all down under. We all stand together in this, I should think. I guess that the signs have been there for many years

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Richard R. Sivernell
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:58:36 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I feel your pain and anger. I lost several members of my church in the Pentagon attack on 9.11.01. Just take comfort in knowing that others care and we deeply sympathize with you and your nation. I for one wish that your

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Terry Bassett
On Saturday 19 October 2002 07:13, Keith Antoine wrote: As of midnight tonight Australia is in a state of mourning for 24 hrs, for its dead and injured in Bali. snip Now after 44 years it seems that it has once again found us. Hello Keith, Even before the Bali explosion. I had to face

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Keith Antoine
On Sunday 20 October 2002 03:05 am, Andrew Mathews espoused with vigour: Our deepest sympathies for you and your nation. Let God do the forgiving, let us help them get there quickly. In our case there is an additional problem for the relatives; being that they were killed on Indonesian soil,

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Keith Antoine
On Sunday 20 October 2002 03:45 am, Ted Ozolins espoused with vigour: I know of no of no words that can ease the agony of such a needless loss of innocent lives, nor can I understand the makings of such a cowardly act. I can only offer my condolences and hope that with the help of god and

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Keith Antoine
On Sunday 20 October 2002 04:22 am, Ken Moffat espoused with vigour: Hmmm, I was about to rant about the bush doctrine, had it all written, then deleted it. It seems out of place in light of the aAustralian losses. I'm very sorry to see you Aussies dragged in to this mess in such a mean and

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Keith Antoine
On Sunday 20 October 2002 04:59 am, Joel Hammer espoused with vigour: I must respond to your idea that Australia's decency in East Timor caused this attack. I am not in your part of the world, but, I suspect those Austrialians just happened to be a convenient Western target for Muslim

Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-19 Thread Keith Antoine
On Sunday 20 October 2002 05:20 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] espoused with vigour: We shall remember them here, too. Monsters have started this; we shall finish it. My sympathies to all y'all down under. We all stand together in this, I should think. I guess that the signs have been there for many