Re: sco's lastest blathering
Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Tom Marinis: I'm in agreement with you, but this is the test argument that many Linux supporters have feared would occur. This is the really last mountain to climb really, for Linux world wide acceptance. I'm happy to see the GPL tested. I also believe it will stand up. SCO's legal theory is just plain nonsense. If I own the copyright to something, I can do anything I want with it. IANAL, but SCO's argument falls over because the notion that I can only make 1 copy of a piece of software is impenetrably stupid - it simply doesn't apply because, as copyright holder, _I_ am the one who can dispense (or not) authorization to make copies of my copyrighted work. GPL is finally going to challenged in a FEDERAL court, and if it is deemed in any way vague, mis-leading, faulty, or maybe even politically incorrect, SCO's case is made. IBM will have to pay, and all the software at the FSF must be under copyright. It already _is_ copyrighted - GNU project software has copyright assigned to the FSF. You have to file paperwork with the FSF in order to make any substantive contributions to official GNU projects. That costs money, and guess who's got a lot of money in the bank to spend to entice a lot of programmers out there who haven't made almost any money for their software? This is true, as far as it goes, but an awful lot of people write code because they want to, not because they get paid to do it. Kurt's Right; He should have greeted the corporate heads from SCO at the front door at Caldera a few years back with his shotgun. Put some sense into them... No, what I said was that I'd be happy to pay the license fee if Darl McBride showed up at my door to request it and survived the blast from my street howitzer. That's quite a different statement from a threat to show up SCO's front door and start shooting - which is _not_ what I would do, BTW. Kurt I'm sorry Kurt, I took liberties :) I stand corrected. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: northeast power outage
Jack Berger wrote: Maybe this is the wake up call that we need to upgrade the existing system to (at least) current demand. All true. And it's not as if this is the first time such a thing has happened. The proper name for it is: Dancing on the edge of the cliff. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm won't run as root
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Michael Hipp wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Does this behavior persist even after a reboot? Well, looks like it was solved it with a reboot. Weird. I can understand something having it locked. But a regular user being able to read the db while root can't seems strange. Not really. As I mentioned, root is the only user that gets a true lock on the database, as root is the only user that can write to the database. So, the others really don't care about open file handles and the like. You could have prolly fixed this by grepping the output from lsof to see what was currently locking the db. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm won't run as root
Net Llama! wrote: You could have prolly fixed this by grepping the output from lsof to see what was currently locking the db. I didn't think of 'lsof' as I had used 'ps' and killed off everything that looked like rpm. Wouldn't you have thought rpm would have said something like can't get lock rather than just going comatose? Thanks, Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm won't run as root
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Michael Hipp wrote: Net Llama! wrote: You could have prolly fixed this by grepping the output from lsof to see what was currently locking the db. I didn't think of 'lsof' as I had used 'ps' and killed off everything that looked like rpm. Wouldn't you have thought rpm would have said something like can't get lock rather than just going comatose? Yes, i'd think so too, but i've seen some less than desirable behavior from rpm-4.x. I had rpm 'lockup' on me on one of my RH9 boxes as well. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: northeast power outage
Detriot did it! On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:25:33 -0500 - Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: northeast power outage Tom Marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beside, nothing more will happen today, since the NORTHEAST power outage occured around 2:00pm PST, 5:00pm EST. [ Probably a power generator being controlled by POWER MANAGER, and that computer suffered a MS windows BSOD fault ] Well, could be, but... Ted Kopel interviewed FORMER fed cyber security czar Richard Clark. What a self serving piece of work this guy is, insinuating that this is the work of terrorist hackers, since the electrical system was designed to contain this type of outage to a small area. (Yeah under the load conditions of 20-30 years ago!) Sensationalism at its best. The truth is that everyone wants/loves/needs electricity, but no one wants to pay for it in terms of building the necessary infrastructure to support it (NIMBY). Large portions of the existing electrical grid are operating at or near the operating limits and stability margins they were designed for. The dynamics of the inter-connected power grids is very complex. In some areas it doesn't take much to cause an outage or disturbance, which depending on the magnitude, and where it occurs, can cascade to neighboring locations. Most of the grid can handle a voltage sag. The problem is when some segments of the grid trip off-line they cause phase shifts on the system, which are harder to deal with. Maybe this is the wake up call that we need to upgrade the existing system to (at least) current demand. -jhb- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm won't run as root
On 8/15/2003 10:10 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Michael Hipp wrote: Net Llama! wrote: You could have prolly fixed this by grepping the output from lsof to see what was currently locking the db. I didn't think of 'lsof' as I had used 'ps' and killed off everything that looked like rpm. Wouldn't you have thought rpm would have said something like can't get lock rather than just going comatose? Yes, i'd think so too, but i've seen some less than desirable behavior from rpm-4.x. I had rpm 'lockup' on me on one of my RH9 boxes as well. This sounds like the same old problem RHL 8.0 had. rpm periodically choked (froze, locked-up, whatever). There used to be a bugzilla report on it at bugzilla.redhat.com... yeah: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=73097 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=72543 But they both are closed. I haven't had any recent problems with rpm locking up on me. $ rpm -q rpm rpm-4.1.1-1.8x Regards, Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: northeast power outage
Well, what does the average person want to know about? The power grid or lifestyles of the rich and famous or American idol? We get what we deserve. Engineers are SO boring. And, the environmentalists will fight attempts to increase power generation, except by building wind farms (aka environmentally destructive tax ripoffs), which, as I understand it, make the grid more unstable, not less. So, as we decline as a great power and evolve into a third world country (California is just the beginning, and things will pick up speed), occasional power outages will be a minor inconvenience. Joel On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:55:39AM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: Jack Berger wrote: Maybe this is the wake up call that we need to upgrade the existing system to (at least) current demand. All true. And it's not as if this is the first time such a thing has happened. The proper name for it is: Dancing on the edge of the cliff. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
I've hosed my clock setup
I don't know what I did the last time I went to adjust my machine's clock, but it seems Linux no longer talks nice to the hardware clock. Every time I boot, the clock is off by 7 hours, and for my setup thats usually once a day (no fault of Linux, I just have to shut this off at night). The system is RH 7.3, and the contents of /etc/sysconfig/clock are ZONE=America/Los_Angeles UTC=false ARC=false I keep the hardware clock in local time because I dual-boot to other OS-es once in a while. Here's what it looks like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# /sbin/hwclock -r Fri 15 Aug 2003 07:53:56 AM PDT 0.849306 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# /sbin/hwclock -r --localtime Fri 15 Aug 2003 07:54:12 AM PDT 0.268908 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# /sbin/hwclock -r --utc Fri 15 Aug 2003 12:54:18 AM PDT 0.280746 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# However, on each reboot KDE's clock in the panel, and the 'date' program both report time as if I used UTC; in the above example that was 12:54 AM. I'm baffled and sleepless in California. ++ kevin ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I've hosed my clock setup
Just a guess. UTC=false clock set to local time Pacific time Zone is -7 you are off by 7 hours try setting it to Atlantic/Reykjavik On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:13:34 -0700 (PDT) - Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: I've hosed my clock setup I don't know what I did the last time I went to adjust my machine's clock, but it seems Linux no longer talks nice to the hardware clock. Every time I boot, the clock is off by 7 hours, and for my setup thats usually once a day (no fault of Linux, I just have to shut this off at night). The system is RH 7.3, and the contents of /etc/sysconfig/clock are ZONE=America/Los_Angeles UTC=false ARC=false I keep the hardware clock in local time because I dual-boot to other OS-es once in a while. Here's what it looks like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# /sbin/hwclock -r Fri 15 Aug 2003 07:53:56 AM PDT 0.849306 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# /sbin/hwclock -r --localtime Fri 15 Aug 2003 07:54:12 AM PDT 0.268908 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# /sbin/hwclock -r --utc Fri 15 Aug 2003 12:54:18 AM PDT 0.280746 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# However, on each reboot KDE's clock in the panel, and the 'date' program both report time as if I used UTC; in the above example that was 12:54 AM. I'm baffled and sleepless in California. ++ kevin ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: northeast power outage
Depending on where you are, the generation capacity may be adequate (excluding CA), transmission capacity is the limiting factor in many regions. And with dereg allowing or encouraging people to buy power anywhere and ship it across the country, some marginal lines are further taxed. -Original Message- From: Joel Hammer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: northeast power outage Well, what does the average person want to know about? The power grid or lifestyles of the rich and famous or American idol? We get what we deserve. Engineers are SO boring. And, the environmentalists will fight attempts to increase power generation, except by building wind farms (aka environmentally destructive tax ripoffs), which, as I understand it, make the grid more unstable, not less. So, as we decline as a great power and evolve into a third world country (California is just the beginning, and things will pick up speed), occasional power outages will be a minor inconvenience. Joel On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:55:39AM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: Jack Berger wrote: Maybe this is the wake up call that we need to upgrade the existing system to (at least) current demand. All true. And it's not as if this is the first time such a thing has happened. The proper name for it is: Dancing on the edge of the cliff. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: northeast power outage
I'm glad I live where I do. All power is supplied by dams and except for storms or natural disasters we dont lose power. All our overage goes to NSP which is the ND,MN grid. I talksed to my sister who is employed by a firm in Milwaukee that monitors transmission/usage. She says that DE went down first. She has no idea why, just that Detroit was the first to go black. On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:18:22 -0500 - Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: RE: northeast power outage Depending on where you are, the generation capacity may be adequate (excluding CA), transmission capacity is the limiting factor in many regions. And with dereg allowing or encouraging people to buy power anywhere and ship it across the country, some marginal lines are further taxed. -Original Message- From: Joel Hammer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: northeast power outage Well, what does the average person want to know about? The power grid or lifestyles of the rich and famous or American idol? We get what we deserve. Engineers are SO boring. And, the environmentalists will fight attempts to increase power generation, except by building wind farms (aka environmentally destructive tax ripoffs), which, as I understand it, make the grid more unstable, not less. So, as we decline as a great power and evolve into a third world country (California is just the beginning, and things will pick up speed), occasional power outages will be a minor inconvenience. Joel On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:55:39AM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: Jack Berger wrote: Maybe this is the wake up call that we need to upgrade the existing system to (at least) current demand. All true. And it's not as if this is the first time such a thing has happened. The proper name for it is: Dancing on the edge of the cliff. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sco's lastest blathering
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003, Tom Marinis wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: I'm sorry Kurt, I took liberties :) I stand corrected. Next time, how about trimming the quotes so you don't post 60 lines of irrelevant quoted text to add two new lines. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Scientists are explorers. Philosophers are tourists.'' -- Richard Feynman ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: northeast power outage
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003, Joel Hammer wrote: ... And, the environmentalists will fight attempts to increase power generation, except by building wind farms (aka environmentally destructive tax ripoffs), which, as I understand it, make the grid more unstable, not less. Not to mention whacking birds at a good rate :-). So, as we decline as a great power and evolve into a third world country (California is just the beginning, and things will pick up speed), occasional power outages will be a minor inconvenience. Given government schools that don't educate, but indoctrinate nice tame drones, this is to be expected. I'm rereading a very interesting book that discusses the evolution of societies as they go from decentralized agrarian and militaristic to centralized societies controlled by the financial interests which shows this same thing has been happening since the early days of Rome and Greece. Law of Civilization and Decay By: Brookes Adams (grandson of John Quincy Adams and great grandson of John Adams). Anybody in the high-tech fields should see the parallels where companies start up with very competent technical folks, grow, then are taken over by the Vulture Capitalists who then run the companies into the ground. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Breathe fire, slay dragons, and take chances. Failure is temporary, regret is eternal. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OT Edwards Air Force Base computers shut down due to worm
http://www.washtimes.com/national/inring.htm Scroll down the page a little to get to it. Harry G ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Edwards Air Force Base computers shut down due to worm
There is some negative kickback here in Maryland over the MVA's going down. Other govt sites were fine because they patched their computers. The obvious question is: Why didn' the MVA patch? Their answer so far is they didn't know about the patch. As a critic says, this is like not knowing the World Series is going on. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Edwards Air Force Base computers shut down due to worm
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003, Joel Hammer wrote: There is some negative kickback here in Maryland over the MVA's going down. Other govt sites were fine because they patched their computers. The obvious question is: Why didn' the MVA patch? Their answer so far is they didn't know about the patch. As a critic says, this is like not knowing the World Series is going on. A more obvious question is why they're running mission-critical applications on Windows in the first place! It's not like any of this is surprising to anybody with a clue. When we started selling our InterRack(rg) systems in 1994, we told people that they were only available using Unix because there was no way to have any security with Windows. We turned down business when people insisted on a Windows solution. Nothing has happened in the last nine years to make me change my mind. Even though Windows theoretically has some security with NT/2000/XP, it's hard to see any reduction in the number of worms that attack it. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When I hear a man applauded by the mob I always feel a pang of pity for him. All he has to do to be hissed is to live long enough. -- H.L. Mencken, ``Minority Report'' ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: northeast power outage
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:24:36 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detriot did it! On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:25:33 -0500 - Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: northeast power outage Tom Marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beside, nothing more will happen today, since the NORTHEAST power outage occured around 2:00pm PST, 5:00pm EST. No, the truth is out. Hillary has spoken: GWB is at fault, as always. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Edwards Air Force Base computers shut down due to worm
Tain't nutthin .. Went to get my 17 year old a Cell phone today, because he now has to drive 20 miles to High School. I use Cingular. Guess WHO'S COMPLETE NATIONWIDE CRM/Activation system is down because of the worm? You guessed it, Cingular. They SHOULDA used Linux or BSD ... Bill Campbell wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2003, Joel Hammer wrote: There is some negative kickback here in Maryland over the MVA's going down. Other govt sites were fine because they patched their computers. SNIP -- Ben Duncan Phone (601)-355-2574 Fax (601)-355-2573 Cell (601)-946-1220 Business Network Solutions 336 Elton Road Jackson MS, 39212 Software is like Sex, it is better when it's free - Linus Torvalds ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
KDE Problems
On my Caldera system (WS 3.1) which still runs KDE (2.2.x) I had some problems that meant I had to do the KDE thing of removing all in /tmp, renaming ~/.kde2 and letting KDE create a new ~./.kde2. However, in the process some of my desktop links are messed up. I had some links that connect to a web site (say www.xzy). These were created with create new/link to url. Before the crash they worked. I setup Mozilla as the default for html files. When I click on the icon on the desktop Mozilla starts and then I get an error saying file /home/brett/.kde2/share/apps/kfmexec/tmp/2537.0 cannot be found. The file is there. I dimly remember having this problem a long long time ago but I can't find any info in my notes on how I fixed it. Any ideas on what's wrong an dhow to make it work? Thanks. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SSH DOS?
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:19:16 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Matthew Carpenter: I am monitoring SSH from an OpenNMS box and two of my systems, both SuSE8.2pro boxen, are registering outages on SSH. Normally I'd blame either the network or the NMS system (little puny box can hardly keep up) but sure enough, they were indeed DOS'd. The TCP connection was established and then it drops. There appear to be quite a few sshd sessions open and not closed, which I am wondering about. I know that the SSH poller doesn't establish a full SSH session but it shouldn't be able to cause a DOS... Was it really DoSed or was it merely an attempt? It was a DOS, but not an intentional one. I believe it was the fault of my network management system. Any thoughts? openssh-3.5p1-68 What was the source of the attack? My NMS, I believe. It wasn't a HUGE attack. Just one which took SSHD offline. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
apt-rpm vs. apt4rpm
What is the difference? Do I need both or just one or the other? Trying to piece it together ... Thanks, Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
