Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
Funny this should be brought up so soon after my enforced XP journey of late. I've been meaning to comment on how the maintainer of the XP box I am currently running made my user ID part of the administrators group. He said it had to be that way to work right... I thought all the rhetoric about Windows and running as administrator was just that, rhetoric. I guess not! - Original Message - From: Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores Net Llama! wrote: On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Joel Hammer wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:42:22AM -0700, Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. Yes, of course it is mozilla, but, it is configured to work. For example, no font problems, and plugins work as expected. Joel That's been the case with mozilla for nearly 2 years now. Once again, Lindows has nothing to do with it, although they appear to be doing a fine job convincing you that they have. I'm not sure I totally agree with that, although I do feel Lindows is not for me, and running as root is to be avoided. (I can't believe they do that) Lindows may run the scripts during install that download and install the various plugins (flash, realplay, java, whatever) that allow seamless access to multimedia. When mozilla is installed on many distros, you must do some grunt work to get it all working. Libranet has a utility that will download and install several plugins to moz, but that's after the install. And I think there are intellectual property rights involved with packaging these plugins with a distro. I have no experience with Lindows, so take it for a grain of salt. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
Going back to the original topic a bit, I was in the new Fry's Electronics in Renton, Washington last weekend, and found that they have the XESS spreadsheet program in stock for Linux. For those who aren't familiar with this (and it's cousin NeXS), it's my favorite spreadsheet for day-to-day use, bar none. It's fast, easy to use, stores its data in ascii files, and inexpensive. It's also small. The statically linked RPM I have for NeXS is 4.2MB, and the executable about 2.5MB which is tiny compared to the normal office bloatware. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Many companies that have made themselves dependent on [the equipment of a certain major manufacturer] (and in doing so have sold their soul to the devil) will collapse under the sheer weight of the unmastered complexity of their data processing systems. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra, SIGPLAN Notices, Volume 17, Number 5 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Joel Hammer wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:42:22AM -0700, Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. Yes, of course it is mozilla, but, it is configured to work. For example, no font problems, and plugins work as expected. Joel That's been the case with mozilla for nearly 2 years now. Once again, Lindows has nothing to do with it, although they appear to be doing a fine job convincing you that they have. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
Net Llama! wrote: On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Joel Hammer wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:42:22AM -0700, Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. Yes, of course it is mozilla, but, it is configured to work. For example, no font problems, and plugins work as expected. Joel That's been the case with mozilla for nearly 2 years now. Once again, Lindows has nothing to do with it, although they appear to be doing a fine job convincing you that they have. I'm not sure I totally agree with that, although I do feel Lindows is not for me, and running as root is to be avoided. (I can't believe they do that) Lindows may run the scripts during install that download and install the various plugins (flash, realplay, java, whatever) that allow seamless access to multimedia. When mozilla is installed on many distros, you must do some grunt work to get it all working. Libranet has a utility that will download and install several plugins to moz, but that's after the install. And I think there are intellectual property rights involved with packaging these plugins with a distro. I have no experience with Lindows, so take it for a grain of salt. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OT Linux now avaible in stores
I got this in the last few days from the CEO of Lindows. Just thought I would pass it along. (See below.) I know that there are those who don't think highly of lindows, but, they can rest assured that they are not the target audience of lindows. Lindows is targeting windows users. I have been using lindows for a number of months. It more or less delivers what it promises (An easy to use linux), although, I would hesitate recommending any linux OS to a computer phobic person. I am especially pleased by the browser, which works on almost all web sites just like IE. (But, there are exceptions.) My major complaints are the lack of easy support of PDA's, a relative dearth of games, and, of course, it doesn't run MS software, aka the software the rest of the world runs. Also, the fact that it encourages its users to run as root continuously is not in the finest traditions of unix computing. But, I guess when you are targeting windows users, there is no way around that. The debian package management system, whether you use the warehouse or just apt-get, is an eye opener to people who are used to using rpm and/or compiling from source. Joel Michael's Minute: Tipping Point - PC Club Today, we announced that PC Club is now stocking LindowsOS computers on store shelves in more than 50 stores. This marks the first time that a retail chain has committed to desktop Linux by putting computers on... PC Club is a personal computer retailer with stores primarily on the West Coast that emphasize the best prices and great service ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 09:38, Joel Hammer wrote: Michael's Minute: Tipping Point - PC Club Today, we announced that PC Club is now stocking LindowsOS computers on store shelves in more than 50 stores. This marks the first time that a retail chain has committed to desktop Linux by putting computers on... Is this really the first time... ISTR CompUSA, or Best Buy, or another big box store offering el cheapo (+/-$300) computers running Linux a year or two ago. Nay? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
On 09/07/03 06:38, Joel Hammer wrote: I got this in the last few days from the CEO of Lindows. Just thought I would pass it along. (See below.) I know that there are those who don't think highly of lindows, but, they can rest assured that they are not the target audience of lindows. Lindows is targeting windows users. I have been using lindows for a number of months. It more or less delivers what it promises (An easy to use linux), although, I would hesitate recommending any linux OS to a computer phobic person. I am especially pleased by the browser, which works on almost all web sites Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:40am up 1 day, 18:34, 3 users, load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.03 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
burns wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 09:38, Joel Hammer wrote: Michael's Minute: Tipping Point - PC Club Today, we announced that PC Club is now stocking LindowsOS computers on store shelves in more than 50 stores. This marks the first time that a retail chain has committed to desktop Linux by putting computers on... Is this really the first time... ISTR CompUSA, or Best Buy, or another big box store offering el cheapo (+/-$300) computers running Linux a year or two ago. Nay? I believe Walmart has linux computers, but it's on-line only. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. I was going to ask what hot new fricking browser they found. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
On 09/07/03 09:27, Ken Moffat wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. I was going to ask what hot new fricking browser they found. Lindows is standing on the shoulders of giants. 99% of it is marketing fluff. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 9:35am up 1 day, 20:29, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: I believe Walmart has linux computers, but it's on-line only. That's true, and with SuSE 8.2 for just under $300.00US. They have a couple of faster models for up to $500.00, all of which ship with 128MB of RAM. I would suggest adding RAM to go 512MB if one plans on using Openoffice.org as it's a memory hog. I have some minor nits to pick with the packaging on these boxen, primarily that they should load pam_ldap and nss_ldap by default so we could plug then into the network with no software changes. It would be nice if they had the CD images copied to the hard drive to make it easy for the unwashed to add packages without flipping CDs. As it is, we just change the software installation source in yast2 to point to the main NFS server where we keep the SuSE install images, install our OpenPKG stuff, and they're ready to go as workstations on the LAN in about five minutes. Our primary changes are to set up LDAP authentication, the amd automounter, and map all /home directories using amd. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``When dealing with any spammer, one must always keep in mind that you are dealing with someone who makes their living through forgery, fraud, theft, subterfuge and obfuscation. Stated simply, spammers lie.'' David Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sun, Sep 07, 2003, Net Llama! wrote: On 09/07/03 09:27, Ken Moffat wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. I was going to ask what hot new fricking browser they found. Lindows is standing on the shoulders of giants. 99% of it is marketing fluff. I've been leery of Lindows since reading that they run everything as root. If that's true, it's no more secure than the average Windows box. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``No matter how much I may exaggerate it, it must have a certain amount of truth...Now rumor travels fast but it don't stay put as long as truth'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:36:06 -0700 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/07/03 09:27, Ken Moffat wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. I was going to ask what hot new fricking browser they found. Lindows is standing on the shoulders of giants. 99% of it is marketing fluff. Nothing wrong with fluff; marketing fluff is one of the things that got M$ and IBM to their respective positions in the industry. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:39:41 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: I believe Walmart has linux computers, but it's on-line only. I have some minor nits to pick with the packaging on these boxen, And which distro don't you/we have minor nits about? As it is, we just change the software installation source in yast2 to point to the main NFS server where we keep the SuSE install images, install our OpenPKG stuff, and they're ready to go as workstations on the LAN in about five minutes. Our primary changes are to set up LDAP authentication, the amd automounter, and map all /home directories using amd. Just think what a major step forward this is. What Windows offering could you get up and going Network ready in five minutes? My kudos to Walmart! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On 09/07/03 10:13, Collins Richey wrote: On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:36:06 -0700 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/07/03 09:27, Ken Moffat wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. I was going to ask what hot new fricking browser they found. Lindows is standing on the shoulders of giants. 99% of it is marketing fluff. Nothing wrong with fluff; marketing fluff is one of the things that got M$ and IBM to their respective positions in the industry. No, that was lying, cheating, stealing FUD. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 10:10am up 1 day, 21:04, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.02 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:42:22AM -0700, Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. Yes, of course it is mozilla, but, it is configured to work. For example, no font problems, and plugins work as expected. Joel On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:42:22AM -0700, Net Llama! wrote: Its fricking mozilla. Its not like Lindows wrote their own or anything. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:40am up 1 day, 18:34, 3 users, load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.03 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:40:58AM -0700, Bill Campbell wrote: I've been leery of Lindows since reading that they run everything as root. If that's true, it's no more secure than the average Windows box. Yes, but, you can easily add a regular user, just like with any linux distro. Using root as the usual user is just laziness or ignorance (I plead laziness!). The only reason that root is more convenient is to use the warehouse without additional passwords required. I haven't tried installing software from the warehouse as a regular user. That might be a problem, and, since adding software is a not an uncommon activity (since lindows comes without much installed, you use the warehouse a lot in the first few weeks of using lindows), using root as your usual user is an easy habit to get into. Well, I DON'T read my email as root. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Linux now avaible in stores
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003, Joel Hammer wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:40:58AM -0700, Bill Campbell wrote: I've been leery of Lindows since reading that they run everything as root. If that's true, it's no more secure than the average Windows box. Yes, but, you can easily add a regular user, just like with any linux distro. Using root as the usual user is just laziness or ignorance (I plead laziness!). Designing to enable that laziness is one of the primary reasons that Windows =NT has such major security problems (win =98 has no security no matter what one does :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Liberals love to say things like, 'We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share.' But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave.'' Dr. Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
