Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-21 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Careful, Bill :) If you remove majority right, you start have to start asking what's right and wrong, and you can't really discuss right and wrong without either majority consensus or religeon :) GOD ROCKS. Aside from that, you're absolutely correct in this statement. On Sun, 20 Oct 2002

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-21 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:13:07AM -0500, Robert Black Eagle wrote: .. I think the US' record of establishing deceng government(s) is a bit poor. We put in the Taliban. We established the dictatorship of the Shah in Iran (and we see where that led)... Bad example. The Shah was attempting to

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-21 Thread Matthew Carpenter
I understand this can be considered subjective, so don't bother replying with that. The key difference is that Saddam has proven himself a madman who is not to be trusted with WMDs. We have not always done what is right, but I would venture that we are much more predictable than Saddam or other

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-21 Thread Lee
Marvin Dickens wrote: It is truly amazing how political dialog degenerates into armchair psychology. This whole thing is about oil, nothing more or less. Mr. Bush is/has acting/acted on the advice of his closest advisors: Arco, BP-Amoco, Texaco and et al... All of the terrorists

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Ken Moffat
David A. Bandel wrote: If you have a better answer, I'm sure Bush would be happy to hear it. But I don't think Saddam and the terrorists will stop just because you asked them to. History says otherwise. Roosevelt and Churchill are not what sensible civilized folks want as role models, but

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Rick Forrister
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 07:58:33 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 07:56:28 +1000 begin Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: [snip] Radical Muslims (in fact a large portion of the middle east) thinks

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Ken Moffat
Rick Forrister wrote: My convictions, for a long time have been to never start trouble - and to end it, when started, with great conviction. I agree, but... - Why are Turkey and Kuwait, 2 strong US allies, firmly in favor of further diplomacy and inspections, not bombing and invasion? - Why

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Matthew Carpenter
I'm a bit torn on some of the topics here. First off, I'll turn some of you off by starting out that I agree with Bush, Dep, and Collins, et al. I believe in mercy and grace to a large degree. I also believe that sometimes force is required. While I hardly ever beat up the bully, there are

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Matthew Carpenter
I would truly enjoy hearing your opinion on this question On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:41:02-0700Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/20/02 13:03, ronnie gauthier wrote: Yes, it did. International majority opinion does not have a gun at its head, we do. I think the better

Re: OT Re: we shall remember them

2002-10-20 Thread Richard Thompson
Uh, how about this instead ... You are my asshole neighbor. You throw rocks, you make noises ... I buy you a cup of coffee, we talk ... I make it perfectly clear that I have no intention of changing my family's life to accomodate your grand vision of pan-asshole-unity. I have no intention