Re: M'soft CD topartners about Competing with Linux
On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 08:40:36AM +0200, Zoki wrote: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS An excerpt from the CD: Reliability Linux is being used for simple tasks such as file/print and static web page serving. Microsoft customers are using Windows NT Server for demanding, high performance, mission critical applications such as messaging, data warehousing, decision support and e-commerce. Less heavily loaded systems with less complex software suites have high reliability. Demanding as in running Code Red, Nimba, etc.? Reliability as in heavily loaded Linux servers whose uptimes are generally limited by the power company or equipment moves? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When only cops have guns, it's called a ``police state''. -- Claire Wolfe, 101 Things To Do Until The Revolution ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ANNOUNCE: http://linux.nf in your native language!
oh no.. I introduced my colleage to visit your site. He's using Chiense Windows 98. He cannot see a thing... software. I know it's not optimal, but at least it gets us a non-english speaking person some content if they need it. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: M'soft CD topartners about Competing with Linux
Security issue is not 100% related to reliability. If your sql server is behind a good firewall, everything should just be fine. We really need some big linux shops that runs mission-critical apps. Google.com is a good example, but it's not doing accounting kind of stuffs which required extreme precision and reliability. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS serving. Microsoft customers are using Windows NT Server for demanding, high performance, mission critical applications such as messaging, data warehousing, decision support and e-commerce. Less heavily loaded systems with less complex software suites have high reliability. Demanding as in running Code Red, Nimba, etc.? Reliability as in heavily loaded Linux servers whose uptimes are generally limited by the power company or equipment moves? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: reading the inode info
I am reading an old book called UNIX for Super-Users by E.Foxley. The chapter was about filestore. I think core meant memory, right? sticky-bit... hmm... Chang wrote: % 1. what's the standard method to list ALL 1-bit flags of a inode % (file/dir...)? Eh? I'm not following you here. Is ls -il foo insufficient? What about stat? % 2. how to look at the / directory? Nor do I quite understand this, but I would suggest $ ls -l / or, perhaps, $ ls -ld / What problem are you trying to solve? Blessed be, Kurt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: reading the inode info
Chang wrote: % I am reading an old book called UNIX for Super-Users by E.Foxley. % The chapter was about filestore. % % I think core meant memory, right? sticky-bit... hmm... Yup. Sticky bit these days locks data into memory, which might be paged or swapped out. Blessed be, Kurt -- Advice is a dangerous gift; be cautious about giving and receiving it. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gcc v3 embargo
On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:25:46 -0600 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did compile KDE2.2 with it. I have a feeling that it worked better than 2.95.3, which I used with kde2.2.1. Note one thing: gcc 3.0 added a new runtime library to the picture: libgcc.so Or some similiar name. Programs compiled with 3.0 will need to have this library installed on the machines where they should run. I found out the hard way: I installed gcc 3.0 I compiled kde 2.2 I removed gcc 3.0 kde2.2 broke: none of the programs could find the libgcc, which I brilliantly removed along with gcc 3.0. Do an ldd on a program compiled with gcc 3.0 and you will see this new dependency. -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gcc v3 embargo
Roger Oberholtzer wrote: % On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:25:46 -0600 % Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % I did compile KDE2.2 with it. I have a feeling that it worked better than % 2.95.3, which I used with kde2.2.1. % % Note one thing: gcc 3.0 added a new runtime library to the picture: % % libgcc.so Hm. libgcc was present in the (now ancient) egcs, specifically, egcs 2.91.66, so I'm not sure it is unqiue or new to gcc 3.0. Naytheless, it is probably a moot point. Blessed be, Kurt -- Love is like the measles; we all have to go through it. -- Jerome K. Jerome ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gcc v3 embargo
On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:55:30 -0600 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | % On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:25:46 -0600 | % Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | % | % I did compile KDE2.2 with it. I have a feeling that it worked better than | % 2.95.3, which I used with kde2.2.1. | % | % Note one thing: gcc 3.0 added a new runtime library to the picture: | % | % libgcc.so | | Hm. libgcc was present in the (now ancient) egcs, specifically, egcs | 2.91.66, so I'm not sure it is unqiue or new to gcc 3.0. Naytheless, | it is probably a moot point. It was earlier a static libgcc.a, so it was resolved at link time and not seen afterwards. In 3.0 it is dynamic and must travel with the binary (unless the target system has a compatible version already installed). There was a big discussion on this in the gcc groups. I personally consider this more than moot. The C library is not the only thing one has to consider when delivering binaries compiled with 3.0. -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gcc v3 embargo
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:50:14 -0600 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stayler wrote: % Is it still stylish to embargo gcc v3 or has that tide subsided? Grab it and see for yourself. It's easy to build, although time-consuming. I'm using it here and having no problems. I haven't built the kernel with it yet ---snip--- It works. I just compiled 2.4.10 with it and so far so good. I don't know if the embargo is political or it really has any meat to it at all. Whatever I compile with it stays on one machine, until it get's the ok from the HindMost of the pack -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 7:15am up 9:15, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.01 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
2.4.10...
Just a side note, question here... I just compiled 2.4.10 for running on my test client/server setup, no problems. I enable MTRR in the kernel this time around on the client machine, as X supposedly those registers for faster screen updates if it is available. Running xfree 4.10... how does one tell if they are actually being used??? :') There's nothing in the x log that clearly states it is... -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 7:20am up 9:20, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: M'soft CD topartners about Competing with Linux
Chang wrote: [schnipp] We really need some big linux shops that runs mission-critical apps. Google.com is a good example, but it's not doing accounting kind of stuffs which required extreme precision and reliability. [schnipp] IBM converted the whole Swedish, I beleive, or maybe it was Finland, but I think it's Sweden. Anyway they converted their whole telecommunications system to run Linux. All aspects of it from top to bottom. I'd say there are probably some mission-critical apps being run there. --Tom Wilson ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: M'soft CD topartners about Competing with Linux
On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:12:29 -0400 Tom Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Chang wrote: | [schnipp] | We really need some big linux shops that runs mission-critical apps. | Google.com is a good example, but it's not doing accounting kind of | stuffs which required extreme precision and reliability. | [schnipp] | | IBM converted the whole Swedish, I beleive, or maybe it was Finland, but I | think it's Sweden. Anyway they converted their whole telecommunications | system to run Linux. All aspects of it from top to bottom. I'd say there | are probably some mission-critical apps being run there. Not Sweden. I don't think Finland. I do know that IBM made some major sales in Denmark to Danish Televerket a couple of months back. There was something in the Swedish papers about it. (Or was it Norway...) IBM had a color pullout in the major Swedish papers about their involvement with Linux and I believe it was mentioned there as well. -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gcc v3 embargo
Good to know. I have a buddy who is running an Athlon. He seems to feel that 3.01 would fix his not being able to target Athlon on builds On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:20:04 -0400, Jerry McBride wrote: It works. I just compiled 2.4.10 with it and so far so good. I don't know if the embargo is political or it really has any meat to it at all. Whatever I compile with it stays on one machine, until it get's the ok from the HindMost of the pack... ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gcc v3 embargo
Ah. Very interesting. Thanks! On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:38:20 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: Note one thing: gcc 3.0 added a new runtime library to the picture: libgcc.so Or some similiar name. Programs compiled with 3.0 will need to have this library installed on the machines where they should run. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
