Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:55:27 -0500
dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] bemusedly noted:

new ibm linux ad, based on basketball:

how can anybody that good play for peanuts?
loves the game.
just now on of all places the weather channel.
===
Yeah, ibm has done a pretty fair job lately of putting linux before the
public and using sports analogies (especially during sports shows).  I
certainly doesn't hurt the public's perception of Linux to have ibm in
such a supportive role (regardless of their motivations...) Mike

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Re: ssh and how do you do things

2002-02-07 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 07 February 2002 01:35 am, Federico Voges warbled:
 Keith,

 Short answer:

 man scp

Read that as I said but you need to be psychic to understand what its saying 
as with most man pages.

 Not-so-short answer:

 You don't need to ssh first.

 File xfer (remote to local)
 scp user@host:/path/source_file /local/path/[new_filename]

Can you use a 'directory name' for remote and use -r ?

 File xfer (localto remote)
 scp /local/path/source_file user@host:/path/[new_filename]


 You can use the -r switch to do a recursive xfer.

Thanks I'll try these out 

 I you don't have your public key on the remote site, you'll be asked
 for the password.

Yes my keys are on the remote site.

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Remove and Reinstall KDE 2.2

2002-02-07 Thread kbb0927

Hi Lists,

I have a situation where I somehow have both KDE 2.2.1 and KDE 2.2.2 run
ning on my box. I am using SuSE 7.3 Pro and have updated KDE only using
SuSE's rpms.  I am having trouble with Kapital installing due apparently
to being confused about the two KDE's.

What is the safest way, without reinstalling SuSE, to remove and reinstall
KDE and bring it back to 2.2.2, without losing all of my links to apps
and ending up with a hosed box?  I am willing to just back up everything
and reinstall if that is necessary.  I need to clean up this as it is
my production box. I think my troubles started when KDE hung and locked
up whiledoing a clean install of SuSE 7.3 Pro.  If there is a 7.4 soon,
maybe I'll just wait.

Any help appreciated. The box is very usable for everything except Kapital.

TIA,

Keith B.
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Re: More ELX ramblings

2002-02-07 Thread Ken Moffat

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:50:58 -0700
Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One of the other strong points for ELX (IMHO) is that they include
 OpenOffice. 

Have you run AbiWord in elx? 
If so...
Do you get a font error message about being unable 
to add it's fonts to the X font path?
(elx rc2)
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Fw: ELX Linux Interview

2002-02-07 Thread Ken Moffat

FYI

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:39:54 -0800
From: TApologist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: (none)
Newsgroups: borland.public.kylix.non-technical
Subject: ELX Linux Interview


Paul and others have mentioned how much they like ELX Linux. Here's a
link to an interview with the founder of ELX:

http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT6850645834.html

Enjoy.


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Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread dep

begin  Michael Scottaline's  quote:

| Yeah, ibm has done a pretty fair job lately of putting linux before
| the public and using sports analogies (especially during sports
| shows).  I certainly doesn't hurt the public's perception of
| Linux to have ibm in such a supportive role (regardless of their
| motivations...) Mike

at least it's not the nuns again.g
-- 
dep

There is sobbing of the strong,
And a pall upon the land;  
But the People in their weeping
Bare the iron hand;
Beware the  
People weeping
When they bare the iron hand.


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Re: Thanks Douglas Hunley

2002-02-07 Thread dep

begin  Michael Hipp's  quote:

| I was under the assumption that it was a 75dpi vs 100dpi thing
| related entirely to which font set to choose (or how to display the
| font perhaps).

no, that's determined (well, *was* -- with anti-aliasing and so on 
now, typeface handling is known only to three people, each of whom is 
taken a blood oath to protect the secret; they never all three fly on 
the same airplane, and one is replaced only if one dies) by the order 
of directories in XF86Config.

i am interested in hearing the significance of adding the size 
geometry thing, as you are.
-- 
dep

There is sobbing of the strong,
And a pall upon the land;  
But the People in their weeping
Bare the iron hand;
Beware the  
People weeping
When they bare the iron hand.


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Re: Where to get libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3

2002-02-07 Thread kurt . wall

Typing furiously on February 06, Michael Hipp managed to emit:
 On Wednesday 06 February 2002 03:09 pm, Net Llama wrote:
  rpm --rebuild whatever-foo.src.rpm
 
  If all goes well, you end up with a binary RPM in
  /usr/src/OpenLinux/RPM/
 [snip]
   After I did that would I have libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3?
 
  You'll have an RPM named libstdc++-libc-foo-whatever-i386.rpm
 
 As long as you'll indulge me, I'll keep asking questions. Thanks.
 
 Bear in mind that I'm on a hard-driving search for that holy grail of 
 files: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3
 
 So which rpm would I do --rebuild on? I searched the rpm database and the 
 above lib file doesn't exist anywhere within. So how would rebuilding help?

On my Red Hat box, it comes from the gcc source rpm.

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Re: NO $#@^*% MAIL!

2002-02-07 Thread Glenn Williams

Hey, Bruce:

Great idea! g

Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Registered Linux User # 135678 - since 1994
Amateur radio packeteer - since 1988

 - Original Message -
From: Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: NO $#@^*% MAIL!


 On Wednesday 06 February 2002 13:38 pm, Glenn Williams wrote:
  If you'd like more information on becoming a licensed ham radio
operator,
  or about ham radio in general, please contact me off-list.
 
  /commercial message
 
  73 de Glenn

 Oh help  next thing you know he's going to propose a linux.nf  net
net.

 :o)

 de KJ1B


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hey dep

2002-02-07 Thread Douglas J Hunley

just read your article on kde3. nice!
how in the fsck did you kill that stupid alarm deamon? thanks
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Re: ssh and how do you do things

2002-02-07 Thread stayler

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:28:59 -0500, Keith Antoine wrote:

 File xfer (remote to local)
 scp user@host:/path/source_file /local/path/[new_filename]

Can you use a 'directory name' for remote and use -r ?

I've had some difficulty with that since 3.02p1 came out.  Anyone found
a fix for this?

stayler

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Re: WAY OT NO MAIL!

2002-02-07 Thread Glenn Williams


- Original Message -
From: Jay Nugent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: NO $#@^*% MAIL!

[snip]

Glenn (et al),

The Internet was clearly the ruination of Packet Radio.

[snip]

 I was proud to have donated my time having produced the
 schematics for the TNC-1 (which Heathkit later copied and used in
their
 HD-4040 TNC kit, with some minor changes) and also helped with PCB
design
 issues.

The packet radio community owes you and many other selfless hams a great
debt of gratitude for pioneering the development of the TNC to its
present state.


[snip]

 TPRS (Texas
 Packet Radio Society) produced their TexNet boards.  Truely the BEST
 designed routing hub I had ever seen for packet radio networking.

Amen to that.  For a few years, west Texas and southeastern New Mexico
had a really good network, with an interface to the TexNet.

Unfortunately, there was a class of packeteers that drove packet right
into the ground, with hourly broadcasts of *tons* of ALLNM, ALLTX,
ALLUSA and WW bulletins, the content of which impressed me about as much
as some of Rush Limbaugh's monologues, (and sounded strangely similar,
to me).  This is the kind of traffic that killed the
keyboard-to-keyboard facet of this hobby, IMNSHO.  I mean, 'Pardon me,
sir or ma'am, as the case may be, but you obviously mistook me for
someone who gives a sh*t.'  Did anyone actually read all that crap?


[snip]

 Sure it was nice knowing you could send data over the
 air, but it was tedious, slow, and often very congested.  As more Hams
 found the Internet they abandoned their packet Radio stations and many
of
 the community-wide networks fell apart.

Yeah, and APRS pretty well put the finishing touches on the eradication
of packet radio as we knew it.  I had an APRS station for a while.  It
was an exhilarating activity, in the same category as watching paint
dry. ;o(

 Even my home Packet station hasn't been on the air in years.  There
just
 isn't a decent network any longer and there's certainly nothing out
there
 of interest (to me, anyway) anymore... :-(

Sadly, I must agree with just everything you've said.  Keeping a station
on the air today is little more than an exercise in futility (or the
epitome of hope.) VBG

But my F6FBB BBS station has been on the air here in ABQ for the 19
months I have lived here, and my JNOS BBS was active from 1990 until I
moved here from Roswell.  Work is now in progress to add a node in the
east mountains, which will (hopefully) re-establish the path to
southeastern New Mexico and west Texas.

I preferred the JNOS (TCP/IP) BBS system, but the JNOS support mail list
has apparently evaporated or gone underground.  (If anyone knows where
the list has moved, please let me know, off-list.)

So Glenn, though I expect Packet Radio did fair better in Oz, it
didn't
 do so well in most places.  I'm sure it will never be a replacement
for
 the Internet should MS/TCP come to pass ;-)   Nice thought, though...

   --- Jay Nugent
   WB8TKL

He speaketh the truth.  sigh  I can't remember who asked the question
that started this thread, but I guess the *real* answer is, Maybe - if
you are prepared for a lot of work, (and all of it uphill).  And that's
probably not even realistic.

Regards,

Glenn

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Re: hey dep

2002-02-07 Thread dep

begin  Douglas J Hunley's  quote:
| just read your article on kde3. nice!
| how in the fsck did you kill that stupid alarm deamon? thanks

i shot it. silver bullet.g

actually, there is a setting in the configuration settings, launch 
daemon at startup or words to that effect. you need to uncheck that. 
then you need to close korganizer, and if there's any relic of it on 
kicker, right click and kill that, too. then shut down kde and *do* 
check the restore settings to next session box. then restart kde.

which is imho more than ought be necessary.
-- 
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There is sobbing of the strong,
And a pall upon the land;  
But the People in their weeping
Bare the iron hand;
Beware the  
People weeping
When they bare the iron hand.

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Re: Elx Linux

2002-02-07 Thread rplummer

Thanks Ken, I'll try that.

Ray

On 6 Feb 2002, at 20:53, Ken Moffat wrote:
 On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:38:33 -0800
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I am still having issues with the CD-RW and CD-R and Floppy drive 
  and the locks. Once in a while I can get to them but then cannot 
  unmount them as it thinks they are busy.
 
 I disabled supermount by changing the /etc/fstab lines, which cured my
 cd problems. 
 Here are the new lines I use.
 
 /dev/cdrom  /mnt/cdrom  iso9660
 defaults,user,rw,noauto 0 0/dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1
 iso9660 defaults,user,rw,noauto 0 0/dev/floppy
 /mnt/floppy vfatdefaults,user,rw,noauto 0 0
 
 I use append  append=hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi to enable my cd-rw
 and dvd for scsi emulation. This is mostly untested, but both show in
 cdrecord -scanbus 
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another new site feature for Linux SxS

2002-02-07 Thread Linux StepByStep

Morning all:
The past couple of months, I've had to deal
with a lot of emails from people complaining about
broken links. Why? Well, a while back we converted
from .htm to .html (like it should be) and a lot
of places (Caldera, Google, etc) still maintain
pointers to the old pages. I've been contacting the
sites and getting them to fix their links on a case
by case basis. But enough is enough.
So, when I upgraded Apache earlier this week,
I installed mod_speling . I'm pleased to announce that
the it now (usually) corrects the broken links and
the number of 404 errors have decreased to almost
0.
Anyway, just thought I'd keep you all
abreast of the new developments with the site.

The SxS Editors
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A Fat-Finger Fixer

2002-02-07 Thread Bruce Marshall

I don't think I got this tip off this list but if I did I apologize.  I think 
I got it off the Unix Daily Tip line which is something everyone should 
subsribe to.

Put this line at the bottom of your ~/.bashrcfile and you'll be amazed of 
the fat-finger mistakes it can correct.

shopt -s cdspell

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Re: A Fat-Finger Fixer

2002-02-07 Thread Kevin O'Gorman

Okay, I'll bite.  What is it?  There's no man page for 'shopt', nor any
mention of it in the bash manpage as a builtin, so I'm mystified.  That's
on eD2.4, anyway.

++kevin


On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 12:20:21PM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
 I don't think I got this tip off this list but if I did I apologize.  I think 
 I got it off the Unix Daily Tip line which is something everyone should 
 subsribe to.
 
 Put this line at the bottom of your ~/.bashrcfile and you'll be amazed of 
 the fat-finger mistakes it can correct.
 
 shopt -s cdspell

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Re: Thanks Douglas Hunley

2002-02-07 Thread Peter Ruskin

On Thursday 07 Feb 2002 03:11, Michael Hipp wrote:
 Not sure I followed this. 1280 pixels across 301 mm = ~108 dpi. But
 does this cause X to change something about how it displays things?

 I was under the assumption that it was a 75dpi vs 100dpi thing related
 entirely to which font set to choose (or how to display the font
 perhaps).

 Michael

 On Wednesday 06 February 2002 06:36 pm, Peter Ruskin wrote:
  I do...
  [00:32 peter@penguin:~]$ xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
dimensions:1280x1024 pixels (301x226 millimeters)
 
  So then I edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to add DisplaySize ...
  Section Monitor
  Identifier  CTX|CTX 1792UA
  VendorName  CTX
  ModelName   1792UA
  DisplaySize 300 226
  HorizSync   30.0-95.0
  VertRefresh 50.0-160.0
  EndSection

As far as I understand it, xdpyinfo | grep dimensions gives the screen 
geometry, and if you add that to XF86Config-4 as above, then X will set 
the dpi according to your monitor's capabilities, whatever resolution you 
choose.

I have to say I haven't studied any manuals about this (because it works 
for me®) - it came from a tip by a guru on kde-linux list.
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Re: A Fat-Finger Fixer

2002-02-07 Thread kurt . wall

Typing furiously on February 07, Kevin O'Gorman managed to emit:
 Okay, I'll bite.  What is it?  There's no man page for 'shopt', nor any
 mention of it in the bash manpage as a builtin, so I'm mystified.  That's
 on eD2.4, anyway.

I don't recall which bash version was the default in eD 2.4, but methinks
shopt is bash 2.x. In any event, shopt -s cdspell sets the cdspell 
option, which has the following effect:

cdspell If set, minor errors in the spelling  of  a
directory component in a cd command will be
corrected.   The  errors  checked  for  are
transposed characters, a missing character,
and one character too many.  If  a  correc­
tion  is  found, the corrected file name is
printed, and the  command  proceeds.   This
option  is only used by interactive shells.

Kurt
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Re: A Fat-Finger Fixer

2002-02-07 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Thursday 07 February 2002 12:39 pm, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
 Okay, I'll bite.  What is it?  There's no man page for 'shopt', nor any
 mention of it in the bash manpage as a builtin, so I'm mystified.  That's
 on eD2.4, anyway.

 ++kevin


Beats me but it works like a charm!


 On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 12:20:21PM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
  I don't think I got this tip off this list but if I did I apologize.  I
  think I got it off the Unix Daily Tip line which is something everyone
  should subsribe to.
 
  Put this line at the bottom of your ~/.bashrcfile and you'll be
  amazed of the fat-finger mistakes it can correct.
 
  shopt -s cdspell

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Re: Hidden directory contents in fstab-mounted Windows partition

2002-02-07 Thread Peter Ruskin

On Monday 28 Jan 2002 23:46, Peter Ruskin wrote:
 I multiboot: Win98, Mandrake 8.1, Mandrake Cooker, Redmond and
 sometimes ELX.

 I recently had to reinstall Win98 because of disk corruption following
 a lightning strike.  Since then an old problem has resurfaced:

 I mount my Win partitions in fstab like this:
 /dev/hde1  /mnt/win/c vfat \
user,exec,iocharset=iso8859-15,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0
 Now /mnt/win/c/Program Files and /mnt/win/c/win are empty.

 It happened before - long time ago and I can't remember how I fixed it.
 I've tried fiddling with regedit in a native Win session.  The same
 thing happens in all the distros so I guess it must be something in the
 win setup.

 Ideas?

Answering myself - the culprit was Acronis Operating System Selector 5.0.
It's an excellect little program for disk editing, copying, moving and 
resizing partitions on the fly.  And that means just about any sort of 
partitions, including ext3 and reiserfs.

But as a boot manager it's obviously flawed.  As soon as I disabled it 
and put back PowerQuest's Boot Magic I could see everything.  Bug report 
on it's way to Acronis.

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Re: Thanks Douglas Hunley

2002-02-07 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Peter Ruskin babbled on about:
 I have to say I haven't studied any manuals about this (because it works
 for me®) - it came from a tip by a guru on kde-linux list.

I don't use that. I just run startx with the --dpi 100 option
you should be able to edit /etc/X11/kdm/something or other as well
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Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread Bill Campbell

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:55:27PM -0500, dep wrote:
new ibm linux ad, based on basketball:

how can anybody that good play for peanuts?
loves the game.
just now on of all places the weather channel.

Anybody else see yesterday's Silicon Spin show on techtv?  Dvorak
was talking to people from IBM, HP, and an open standards guy
about Linux in the Enterprise.  I found it pretty interesting.

Bill
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Re: A Fat-Finger Fixer (for bash 2)

2002-02-07 Thread Kevin O'Gorman

On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 01:10:55PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Typing furiously on February 07, Kevin O'Gorman managed to emit:
  Okay, I'll bite.  What is it?  There's no man page for 'shopt', nor any
  mention of it in the bash manpage as a builtin, so I'm mystified.  That's
  on eD2.4, anyway.
 
 I don't recall which bash version was the default in eD 2.4, but methinks
 shopt is bash 2.x. In any event, shopt -s cdspell sets the cdspell 
 option, which has the following effect:

Aha!  My bash is 1.14.7-14    this probably won't work for me.

++ kevin

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Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread Rick Sivernell

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:13:02 -0800
Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:55:27PM -0500, dep wrote:
 new ibm linux ad, based on basketball:
 
 how can anybody that good play for peanuts?
 loves the game.
 just now on of all places the weather channel.
 
 Anybody else see yesterday's Silicon Spin show on techtv?  Dvorak
 was talking to people from IBM, HP, and an open standards guy
 about Linux in the Enterprise.  I found it pretty interesting.
 
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   No, sounds pretty good. I have watched in the past, generally pretty 
far stuff most times.

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Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread dep

begin  Bill Campbell's  quote:

| Anybody else see yesterday's Silicon Spin show on techtv?  Dvorak
| was talking to people from IBM, HP, and an open standards guy
| about Linux in the Enterprise.  I found it pretty interesting.

yeah, i saw it. the voices of those of us screaming linux on the 
desktop are being driven into the background noise.

hey -- you see *this*?

http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO68107,00.html

IBM deals up a card-size computer

By BRIAN SULLIVAN 
(February 07, 2002) 
IBM Research has come out with a computer the size of a stack of index 
cards, according to a company statement. 
 The computer, which has an 800-MHz processor and 128MB synchronous 
dynamic RAM, is 3 in. wide by 5 in. long and three-quarters of an 
inch thick. It also comes with a 10GB hard disk drive and a 3-D 
graphics chip with 8MB of RAM. IBM said it has no plans to market the 
device and is referring to it as a radical experiment. The company 
said it built the device, known as the Meta Pad, to research and 
develop technologies that will go into and help manage future 
computing devices. IBM may license the Meta Pad technologies to 
other companies, however. 

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Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread Michael Hipp

These things remind why I always admired IBM (even when I despised them) - 
they're one of the few companies that will build stuff like this just to 
see if they can. RIP: private sector RD.

Michael

dep pontificated eloquently:
[snip]
 hey -- you see *this*?

 http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO68107,00.html

 IBM deals up a card-size computer

 By BRIAN SULLIVAN
 (February 07, 2002)
 IBM Research has come out with a computer the size of a stack of index
 cards, according to a company statement.
  The computer, which has an 800-MHz processor and 128MB synchronous
 dynamic RAM, is 3 in. wide by 5 in. long and three-quarters of an
 inch thick. It also comes with a 10GB hard disk drive and a 3-D
 graphics chip with 8MB of RAM. IBM said it has no plans to market the
 device and is referring to it as a radical experiment. The company
 said it built the device, known as the Meta Pad, to research and
 develop technologies that will go into and help manage future
 computing devices. IBM may license the Meta Pad technologies to
 other companies, however.

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PDF editor

2002-02-07 Thread Joel Hammer

Is there some way to edit PDF files without coughing up money for a
proprietary pdf editor?

Joel

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Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread Matthew Carpenter

Speaking of all this
I just read a good article from NetworkWorld on Linux in the Enterprise,
and I have to give you this quote:

On Windows NT/2000 servers, we wind up just prophylactically rebooting
servers and scheduling downtime once a week.
 - Joe Inzerillo
   United Center of Chicago


Way to tell it like it is, Joe.
 above URL.

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Re: Fw: gandalf.eisnet 02/06/02:15.45 system check

2002-02-07 Thread Matthew Carpenter

Thanks, Llama.

The reason for 2.4.2 is because I attempt to stick with Caldera-stock
kernels.  Granted, I have not done any updates to this box since
install...  the reason is the reason for the last install (say that 10
times fast and it'll STILL sound impressively confusing).  It's a long
story but last time I upgraded everything the box no longer booted and I
have had too much to do to worry about it.  It'll take a few more times on
other boxes before I feel secure again stress. I have a feeling this has
something to do with a combination of things... partly having to do with
the Mandrake box being bounced, and partly having to do with the Samba
differences, and possibly kernel-related.

I'll have to do another stab at the upgrade process.  

Any ideas on the CDROM icons?  That flipped me out!

Thanks again.

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:28:59 -0800 (PST)
Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow, this is quite impressive.  I've never heard of the system load
 hitting 618 before.
 
 I'll admit outright that i'm no samba guru, so if this is caused by
 Samba, i don't know that i'll be able to offer much assistance.
 
 That said, the first thing i'd do is disable Samba, and see if the
 problem returns.  
 
 A few things that jumped out at me:
 1) You're running some fairly old packages (samba  kernel for
 starters). THat kernel has a known significant filesystem corruption
 bug.  I can't think of any good reason to run a 2.4.2 kernel when a
 2.4.17 kernel has been out for roughly 2 months. 
 2) The error below file-max limit 8192 reached kinda speaks volumes. 
 Sounds like your box is opening alot of files at boot (for no reason
 apparent to me).
 3) There are some known interoperability issues between really old and
 relatively new samba versions.
 
 Something you never commented upon is what (if any) changes you've made
 to the system recently.  If you've made no changes, then i'd say that
 there are two possibilities:
 1) Hardware failure
 2) The system has been compromised, and someone is maliciously breaking
 things.
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Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread dep

begin  Michael Hipp's  quote:
| These things remind why I always admired IBM (even when I despised
| them) - they're one of the few companies that will build stuff like
| this just to see if they can. RIP: private sector RD.

yeah, though it annoys me that i can't have one.
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Re: Fw: gandalf.eisnet 02/06/02:15.45 system check

2002-02-07 Thread Net Llama

--- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks, Llama.
 
 The reason for 2.4.2 is because I attempt to stick with Caldera-stock
 kernels.  Granted, I have not done any updates to this box since
 install...  the reason is the reason for the last install (say that 10
 times fast and it'll STILL sound impressively confusing).  It's a long
 story but last time I upgraded everything the box no longer booted and
 I
 have had too much to do to worry about it.  It'll take a few more
 times on
 other boxes before I feel secure again stress. I have a feeling this
 has
 something to do with a combination of things... partly having to do
 with
 the Mandrake box being bounced, and partly having to do with the Samba
 differences, and possibly kernel-related.
 
 I'll have to do another stab at the upgrade process.  
 
 Any ideas on the CDROM icons?  That flipped me out!

I never use the Upgrade option on distro CDs.  I too got very badly
burnt trying to upgrade from COL2.2 to 2.3, and it took me the better
part of a month to recover.
I generally upgrade everything manually now, rebuilding from the SRPMs. 
It avoids having wacky upgrade scripts break things, and gives me a more
optimized system.  Sure, it might take a few days of work, but in the
end, its worth it.

As for the CDROM icons, i have no real idea.  I haven't seriously used
KDE in over a year.  My only guess is some kind of filesystem
corruption. I've never used ReiserFS, who i can't say for sure what
kinds of bad foo it may have.  I've always had very good results with
XFS, which i use on two of my boxes.

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RE: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA


 new ibm linux ad, based on basketball:
 
 how can anybody that good play for peanuts?
 loves the game.

I think this is a *very* subtle ad for SuSE.  The player wearing the Linux
jersey is Detlef Schrempf, former NBA player (Portland last year, Seattle
several years before that and Dallas before that), who was nicknamed The
Mercedes for his smooth glide to the hoop, great ball handling for a big
man (6'11), his consistency over the years, and his German heritage.  He
came to the UW straight from Germany.  A most fitting representative for
SuSE!  ;-}


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Re: ssh and how do you do things

2002-02-07 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 07 February 2002 02:22 pm, Federico Voges warbled:

 Can you use a 'directory name' for remote and use -r ?

 Yes, you can. IIRC, if you include the last / (eg:
 /home/fvoges/docs/) it will create the directory:

 scp -r user@host:~/docs .
 will copy everything in the docs dir (recursively) to the current dir.

 scp -r user@host:~/docs/ .
 will create a new docs directory in the current (local) dir. The, it
 will copy everything in the docs dir (recursively) to it.


 You'll have to try...

I tried and thats why I asked. The syntax is 'all' and that is not explained
in easy two syllable words, suitable for an old fellas brain. Unfortunately 
most developers and howto writers have a set of assumptions, that something 
is known and plain to see.

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Re: More ELX ramblings

2002-02-07 Thread Collins

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 04:23:56 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:50:58 -0700
 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  One of the other strong points for ELX (IMHO) is that they include
  OpenOffice. 
 
 Have you run AbiWord in elx? 
 If so...
 Do you get a font error message about being unable 
 to add it's fonts to the X font path?
 (elx rc2)
 -- 

Yes.  But it appears to be a warning only.  I like AbiWord, but I can
never use it because there is no table support.

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Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread Ian

dep wrote:
 
 begin  Bill Campbell's  quote:
 
 | Anybody else see yesterday's Silicon Spin show on techtv?  Dvorak
 | was talking to people from IBM, HP, and an open standards guy
 | about Linux in the Enterprise.  I found it pretty interesting.
 
 yeah, i saw it. the voices of those of us screaming linux on the
 desktop are being driven into the background noise.

I've not watched Silicon Spin in a long time...from the site it looks
like you have to watch it at specific times...the only thing I see in
the archives are a month old.  Am I not seeing a link or something?  
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Re: new ibm ad

2002-02-07 Thread Bill Campbell

On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 07:23:09PM -0500, Ian wrote:
...
I've not watched Silicon Spin in a long time...from the site it looks
like you have to watch it at specific times...the only thing I see in
the archives are a month old.  Am I not seeing a link or something?  

The main broadcast daily is at 15:00 U.S. Eastern time (12:00 Pacific), and
it's rebroadcast several times a day.  I have our DirecTV Satellite TiVo
set to record the noon show daily, then watch later so I can skip the ads.

BTW:  The TiVo systems are Linux based.

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Printing question

2002-02-07 Thread Collins

Is the following action

a) typical of unix printing in general
b) typical of cups
c) typical of ghostscript interpreting ps for a laserjet
d) result of screwed up config options

Whenever I print something that is longer that a page or two, the
printing trickles to the printer in page bursts, ie deliver a page to
the printer, delay, deliver another page to the printer.  On Windows the
entire data stream gets dumped to the printer, and printing is
continuous.

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Re: ssh and how do you do things

2002-02-07 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 07 February 2002 02:22 pm, Federico Voges warbled:

 Read that as I said but you need to be psychic to understand what its
  saying as with most man pages.
 
  Not-so-short answer:
 
  You don't need to ssh first.
 
  File xfer (remote to local)
  scp user@host:/path/source_file /local/path/[new_filename]
 
 Can you use a 'directory name' for remote and use -r ?

 Yes, you can. IIRC, if you include the last / (eg:
 /home/fvoges/docs/) it will create the directory:

 scp -r user@host:~/docs .
 will copy everything in the docs dir (recursively) to the current dir.

 scp -r user@host:~/docs/ .
 will create a new docs directory in the current (local) dir. The, it
 will copy everything in the docs dir (recursively) to it.

Ok thanks for the help, but the help means absolutely nothing to me.
So I have a remote site www.eastwind.com.au wherein lies a dir called 'photos'

I want to rewrite the site and put up about 650 photos; I only have ssh 
access.

I ssh in and then cd to /home/webroot/eastwind/docs; at this point i can call 
scp, but from that point I have had no success.
What do I use in the user@host: position my login on the remote machine and 
my hostname here or what ? Sorry I have no idea what user@host: stands for.

Everytime I enter anything all I get is:
kantoine@univac:/home/webroot/eastwind/docs$ scp -r 
kantoine@CPE-203-45-140-190:/photos/
usage: scp [-pqrvC46] [-S ssh] [-P port] [-c cipher] [-i identity] f1 f2; or:
   scp [options] f1 ... fn directory

Until recently I have always used ftp to get to the site so ssh is a closed 
book and there are NO examples out there to explain what to do. Howto and man 
are useless. Lastly I am a h/w man not a software guy.

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Re: ssh and how do you do things

2002-02-07 Thread Net Llama

--- Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thursday 07 February 2002 02:22 pm, Federico Voges warbled:
 
  Read that as I said but you need to be psychic to understand what
 its
   saying as with most man pages.
  
   Not-so-short answer:
  
   You don't need to ssh first.
  
   File xfer (remote to local)
   scp user@host:/path/source_file /local/path/[new_filename]
  
  Can you use a 'directory name' for remote and use -r ?
 
  Yes, you can. IIRC, if you include the last / (eg:
  /home/fvoges/docs/) it will create the directory:
 
  scp -r user@host:~/docs .
  will copy everything in the docs dir (recursively) to the current
 dir.
 
  scp -r user@host:~/docs/ .
  will create a new docs directory in the current (local) dir. The, it
  will copy everything in the docs dir (recursively) to it.
 
 Ok thanks for the help, but the help means absolutely nothing to me.
 So I have a remote site www.eastwind.com.au wherein lies a dir called
 'photos'
 
 I want to rewrite the site and put up about 650 photos; I only have
 ssh 
 access.
 
 I ssh in and then cd to /home/webroot/eastwind/docs; at this point i
 can call 
 scp, but from that point I have had no success.
 What do I use in the user@host: position my login on the remote
 machine and 
 my hostname here or what ? Sorry I have no idea what user@host: stands
 for.

It stands for the remote box's domain name.   If you're looking to xfer
files from your box to the server, then user@host is the remote server,
where user is your username on that server.


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Re: Printing question

2002-02-07 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 07 February 2002 08:39 pm, Collins warbled:
 Is the following action

 a) typical of unix printing in general
 b) typical of cups
 c) typical of ghostscript interpreting ps for a laserjet
 d) result of screwed up config options

 Whenever I print something that is longer that a page or two, the
 printing trickles to the printer in page bursts, ie deliver a page to
 the printer, delay, deliver another page to the printer.  On Windows the
 entire data stream gets dumped to the printer, and printing is
 continuous.

All I can say Collins is I use cups and its no different to Windows style 
printing.

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Re: Printing question

2002-02-07 Thread Michael Hipp

Same for me. CUPS works great.

Michael

Keith Antoine pontificated eloquently:
 On Thursday 07 February 2002 08:39 pm, Collins warbled:
  Is the following action
 
  a) typical of unix printing in general
  b) typical of cups
  c) typical of ghostscript interpreting ps for a laserjet
  d) result of screwed up config options
 
  Whenever I print something that is longer that a page or two, the
  printing trickles to the printer in page bursts, ie deliver a page to
  the printer, delay, deliver another page to the printer.  On Windows
  the entire data stream gets dumped to the printer, and printing is
  continuous.

 All I can say Collins is I use cups and its no different to Windows style
 printing.
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Re: Printing question

2002-02-07 Thread Collins

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:41:44 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:  This sort of sounds like a memory problem. Knowing nothing, I
would venture that there may be a misunderstanding between your printer
and your server over how much memory is available on the printer
(making most of this up.) Also, what does top show during this long
printing job? Can you just dump a postscript job to this printer?
 Or, can you first filter the job into a file, watching how long it
takes, and then just cat the file to the printer?
 Joel

Good thoughts.  I'll try when I have a chance.

 On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 12:17:30PM -0500, Keith Antoine wrote:
 e
  On Thursday 07 February 2002 08:39 pm, Collins warbled:
   Is the following action
  
   a) typical of unix printing in general
   b) typical of cups
   c) typical of ghostscript interpreting ps for a laserjet
   d) result of screwed up config options
  
   Whenever I print something that is longer that a page or two, the
   printing trickles to the printer in page bursts, ie deliver a page
to   the printer, delay, deliver another page to the printer.  On
Windows the   entire data stream gets dumped to the printer, and
printing is   continuous.
  
  All I can say Collins is I use cups and its no different to Windows
style   printing.
  
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Re: ssh and how do you do things

2002-02-07 Thread Andrew Mathews

Keith Antoine wrote:
snip
 I ssh in and then cd to /home/webroot/eastwind/docs; at this point i can call
 scp, but from that point I have had no success.
 What do I use in the user@host: position my login on the remote machine and
 my hostname here or what ? Sorry I have no idea what user@host: stands for.
 
 Everytime I enter anything all I get is:
 kantoine@univac:/home/webroot/eastwind/docs$ scp -r
 kantoine@CPE-203-45-140-190:/photos/
 usage: scp [-pqrvC46] [-S ssh] [-P port] [-c cipher] [-i identity] f1 f2; or:
scp [options] f1 ... fn directory
 
 Until recently I have always used ftp to get to the site so ssh is a closed
 book and there are NO examples out there to explain what to do. Howto and man
 are useless. Lastly I am a h/w man not a software guy.
 
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Maybe an easier method for you (you be the judge) is to (on your local
machine) do it like this:
1. cd to the directory of the files you want to transfer e.g. cd
/home/kantoine/pics
2. scp yourfilenamehere xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/home/webroot/eastwind/docs 
(substitute the real file name for yourfilenamehere and the server's ip
address for the xxx's. You should get a login prompt to enter your
username  password, then you'll see the transfer progress.
3. Remember that you invoke scp from the machine you want to transfer
FROM not the machine you're transferring TO.
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Re: kernel recommendations

2002-02-07 Thread Net Llama

--- Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been off the linux lists for a couple of weeks.
 
 Is 2.4.17 a safe kernel for upgrading?

Its what i've been using on all of my boxes.  Not a single problem.

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Re: ssh and how do you do things

2002-02-07 Thread Net Llama

--- Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 3. Remember that you invoke scp from the machine you want to transfer
 FROM not the machine you're transferring TO.

This is not true.  You can do it either way, although to reduce the
amount of confusion for Keith, its prolly best to follow that suggestion.

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Re: ssh and how do you do things

2002-02-07 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 07 February 2002 08:54 pm, Net Llama warbled:

 It stands for the remote box's domain name.   If you're looking to xfer
 files from your box to the server, then user@host is the remote server,
 where user is your username on that server.

Arrgggh!! There I was trying my host name been 5 hrs trying to d/l files.
So I guess that the command string I use then is:
scp -r [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/photos/
This I guess will download the whole of the photos dir to my machine and 
if I just use scp [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/index.htm/ that will download just 
that file ??

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Re: kernel recommendations

2002-02-07 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 07 February 2002 09:44 pm, Collins warbled:
 I've been off the linux lists for a couple of weeks.

 Is 2.4.17 a safe kernel for upgrading?

Yes it is.

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Re: ssh and how do you do things

2002-02-07 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 07 February 2002 10:01 pm, Andrew Mathews warbled:

 Maybe an easier method for you (you be the judge) is to (on your local
 machine) do it like this:
 1. cd to the directory of the files you want to transfer e.g. cd
 /home/kantoine/pics
 2. scp yourfilenamehere xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/home/webroot/eastwind/docs
 (substitute the real file name for yourfilenamehere and the server's ip
 address for the xxx's. You should get a login prompt to enter your
 username  password, then you'll see the transfer progress.
 3. Remember that you invoke scp from the machine you want to transfer
 FROM not the machine you're transferring TO.
 HTH,

Thanks mate, just what I need 'in plain english'. I have been trying for days 
now to upload or download files all to no avail. In the end I also deleted, 
by mistake, my .ssh file, took me a while to realise what I had done.
I was also trying the sft command but that was saying permission denied 
(publickey), unsure what this meant, but is it saying that the public key on 
the remote and mine do not match ? Funny because I can login with ssh if that 
is so.

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Anyone played with socks servers?

2002-02-07 Thread David Aikema

I've already given up once more on doing a Debian ftp install... seems to be 
the buggiest install on the planet.  This time it refused to recognize my 
root disk, and when I tried to do an ftp install half a year ago it told me 
that the file size of base.tgz was incorrect.

Bill Day pointed me in the direction of Trustix and I think I'll be giving 
that a shot.  

One thing that it does not appear to include though is a socks daemon of any 
sort, and thus I was wondering if anyone here could suggest one to use.

I've taken a look at Freshmeat and found a few of them there:
- Dante
- Nylon
- Socks5
- Socksd

Any recommendations?  Or shall I just start from the top of the list?

David Aikema
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Re: kernel recommendations

2002-02-07 Thread stayler

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:44:58 -0700, Collins wrote:

I've been off the linux lists for a couple of weeks.

Is 2.4.17 a safe kernel for upgrading?

Seems so.   Its my base kernel anymore
stayler

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Re: Anyone played with socks servers?

2002-02-07 Thread Federico Voges

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Hi,

I've been using NEC's reference implementation of socks5 for over a
year without problems.
Easy to install, easy to configure, it works, I'm happy with it :)

You can download from http://www.socks.nec.com/reference/socks5.html

The con: NON-COMMERCIAL USE ONLY :( 

On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 17:55:43 -0800, David Aikema wrote:

I've already given up once more on doing a Debian ftp install... seems to be 
the buggiest install on the planet.  This time it refused to recognize my 
root disk, and when I tried to do an ftp install half a year ago it told me 
that the file size of base.tgz was incorrect.

Bill Day pointed me in the direction of Trustix and I think I'll be giving 
that a shot.  

One thing that it does not appear to include though is a socks daemon of any 
sort, and thus I was wondering if anyone here could suggest one to use.

I've taken a look at Freshmeat and found a few of them there:
- Dante
- Nylon
- Socks5
- Socksd

Any recommendations?  Or shall I just start from the top of the list?

David Aikema
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