Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
Net Llama wrote: Subject: is mozilla getting *more* buggy? From: Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:54:10 -0800 (PST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been an advid Mozilla fan since something like BUILD 15. I've made Mozilla my primary browser since about release 0.8, and i've seen some fairly impressive progress, up until recently. I'm typing this on 0.9.7 (the latest stable release) and i've noticed that since 0.9.6 mozilla seems to have become more buggy unstable. Over the past month, Mozilla locks up on me *alot*, and segfaults (Netscape style) almost daily. The lock ups used to be a seldom occurance, perhaps once a week, if that. The segfaults *never* happened to me, and now its almost expected. My web surfing habits haven't changed. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? Seems to be a common thread to some recent newsgroups postings, at least WRT 0.9.7. So I don't think you're the only one. I've been having good luck with the Nightly builds, though (W2K at work). One would think the milestone releases would be MORE stable. However, IIRC, I needed to re-create my profile not too long ago. Just backup your mail files and bookmarks.html file and you can just copy them into your new profile. You could also try changing your chrome. Occasionally that fixes things. But, that being said, I suspect that upcoming milestones (0.9.8, 0.9.9, 0.9.10) should reverse the seeming destablization trend. The Galeon recomendation is probly a good one. I haven't tried it myself, but I've yet to read anything bad about it. Regards, Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:23:19 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: is mozilla getting *more* buggy? From: Over the past month, Mozilla locks up on me *alot*, and segfaults(Netscape style) almost daily. The lock ups used to be a seldom occurance, perhaps once a week, if that. The segfaults *never* happened to me, and now its almost expected. Seems to be a common thread to some recent newsgroups postings, at least WRT 0.9.7. So I don't think you're the only one. The Galeon recomendation is probly a good one. I haven't tried it myself, but I've yet to read anything bad about it. my galeon is based on 0.9.6, and its mostly stable, but there has been the occasional segfault. I've been developing some local html files, and some of the html is flawed at times (refs to non-existent files, for example).. Netscape just spits out url not found or similar, but galeon/mozilla crash. A few segfaults when referencing various web sights. The segfaults disappear when the url is referenced again.-- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 15:54, Net Llama wrote: I've been an advid Mozilla fan since something like BUILD 15. I've made Mozilla my primary browser since about release 0.8, and i've seen some fairly impressive progress, up until recently. I'm typing this on 0.9.7 (the latest stable release) and i've noticed that since 0.9.6 mozilla seems to have become more buggy unstable. Over the past month, Mozilla locks up on me *alot*, and segfaults (Netscape style) almost daily. The lock ups used to be a seldom occurance, perhaps once a week, if that. The segfaults *never* happened to me, and now its almost expected. My web surfing habits haven't changed. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? Let me make this observation. I've been using XFCE for the first time (I'm visiting a friend with a 'resource challenged' machine) and I'm noticing quite a few crashes and hangs that I didn't get on my normal KDE2 machine. Opera hangs, Kmail crashes, but I haven't noticed too many Moz 0.9.7 problems but I haven't used it that much. I'm thinking my problems are with XFCE, but who knows at this point. I *do* however, like XFCE a lot and if I can sort out the problems, I may use it on my normal machine instead of KDE. -- Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
--- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: I've been an advid Mozilla fan since something like BUILD 15. I've made Mozilla my primary browser since about release 0.8, and i've seen some fairly impressive progress, up until recently. I'm typing this on 0.9.7 (the latest stable release) and i've noticed that since 0.9.6 mozilla seems to have become more buggy unstable. Over the past month, Mozilla locks up on me *alot*, and segfaults (Netscape style) almost daily. The lock ups used to be a seldom occurance, perhaps once a week, if that. The segfaults *never* happened to me, and now its almost expected. My web surfing habits haven't changed. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? Seems to be a common thread to some recent newsgroups postings, at least WRT 0.9.7. So I don't think you're the only one. I've been having good luck with the Nightly builds, though (W2K at work). One would think the milestone releases would be MORE stable. However, IIRC, I needed to re-create my profile not too long ago. Just Recreate it because mozilla wouldn't run, or just for the hell of it? I've done that long ago, when Mozilla had some compatibility versions between versions, and a new profile was needed every time. Ugh, was that a pain in the ass. I spent close to an hour copy things back forth trying to find the right combination. backup your mail files and bookmarks.html file and you can just copy them into your new profile. You could also try changing your chrome. Occasionally that fixes Errr...changing the chrome? Do you mean the Modern/Classic thing? things. But, that being said, I suspect that upcoming milestones (0.9.8, 0.9.9, 0.9.10) should reverse the seeming destablization trend. That would be nice. The Galeon recomendation is probly a good one. I haven't tried it myself, but I've yet to read anything bad about it. I dunno. I tried Galeon about 6 months ago, and i absolutely hated it. Ugliest app i ever used. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
XFCE is *all* use on all of my boxes, and none are what i would define as resource challenged (all are PIII-733 or higher with at least 512MB RAM). So, i don't think this is a resource utilization issue. I do love XFCE, and use it because its not bloated, isn't KDE, and is damn easy to build install. --- Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 25 December 2001 15:54, Net Llama wrote: I've been an advid Mozilla fan since something like BUILD 15. I've made Mozilla my primary browser since about release 0.8, and i've seen some fairly impressive progress, up until recently. I'm typing this on 0.9.7 (the latest stable release) and i've noticed that since 0.9.6 mozilla seems to have become more buggy unstable. Over the past month, Mozilla locks up on me *alot*, and segfaults (Netscape style) almost daily. The lock ups used to be a seldom occurance, perhaps once a week, if that. The segfaults *never* happened to me, and now its almost expected. My web surfing habits haven't changed. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? Let me make this observation. I've been using XFCE for the first time (I'm visiting a friend with a 'resource challenged' machine) and I'm noticing quite a few crashes and hangs that I didn't get on my normal KDE2 machine. Opera hangs, Kmail crashes, but I haven't noticed too many Moz 0.9.7 problems but I haven't used it that much. I'm thinking my problems are with XFCE, but who knows at this point. I *do* however, like XFCE a lot and if I can sort out the problems, I may use it on my normal machine instead of KDE. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
--- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: --- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: However, IIRC, I needed to re-create my profile not too long ago. Just Recreate it because mozilla wouldn't run, or just for the hell of it? Crashes reading mail/news. Probly segfaults, but who knows with Winders... Ordinarily, just deleting the .msf files fixes things, but that didn't work. I re-created the profile and backed up to a known good nightly. After a couple of days, I tried a new nightly and everything was fine. Not the sort of thing I'd expect to need to do when using milestone releases, but it's not unheard of. Indeed, however the problems i'm seeing aren't really following any pattern, and mail news seems to actually work fine. Its just websites that are causing the beast to tank at random. When you updated to 0.9.7, did you remove 0.9.6 completely or just untar the files on top of wherever you put 0.9.6? When I update my nightlies, I remove the old one completely, first. I rarely have problems. I always install from the tarball. The procedure that i've come to use (for at least the past 6 or 7 releases) is: 1) Move the entire existing install to a safe location 2) Untar/extract the new version 3) Copy over the contents of the old install's plugin directory to the new install's plugin directory. 4) Run the new mozilla. If its healthy, delete the previous version. If its unhealthy, delete the new version, and copy back the old to its original location If you don't wanna do the new profile thing, try deleting the .msf files and the Cache. Should accomplish the same thing. OK, did that. But who knows how easily i'll be able to detect a change. Like i said, this is very random. backup your mail files and bookmarks.html file and you can just copy them into your new profile. You could also try changing your chrome. Occasionally that fixes Errr...changing the chrome? Do you mean the Modern/Classic thing? Yep. Occasionally fixes things. Don't know why. Some kinda XUL thing. That was one very weird thing that happened. In the past, whenever i upgraded to a newer version of Mozilla, it kept my previous Skin preference. With the upgrade to 0.9.7 it seemed to forget, and defaulted me back to a very broken Classic. I simply switched it back to Modern, and all was fine, but that was quite odd. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
On Wednesday 26 December 2001 11:19, Net Llama wrote: XFCE is *all* use on all of my boxes, and none are what i would define as resource challenged (all are PIII-733 or higher with at least 512MB RAM). So, i don't think this is a resource utilization issue. I do love XFCE, and use it because its not bloated, isn't KDE, and is damn easy to build install. Wasn't meaning to imply that XFCE was having problems due to resources just that this machine is pretty doggy on KDE. I retreated from Opera TP2 back to 5.0 and the Opera problems seem to be solved. --- Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 25 December 2001 15:54, Net Llama wrote: I've been an advid Mozilla fan since something like BUILD 15. I've made Mozilla my primary browser since about release 0.8, and i've seen some fairly impressive progress, up until recently. I'm typing this on 0.9.7 (the latest stable release) and i've noticed that since 0.9.6 mozilla seems to have become more buggy unstable. Over the past month, Mozilla locks up on me *alot*, and segfaults (Netscape style) almost daily. The lock ups used to be a seldom occurance, perhaps once a week, if that. The segfaults *never* happened to me, and now its almost expected. My web surfing habits haven't changed. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? Let me make this observation. I've been using XFCE for the first time (I'm visiting a friend with a 'resource challenged' machine) and I'm noticing quite a few crashes and hangs that I didn't get on my normal KDE2 machine. Opera hangs, Kmail crashes, but I haven't noticed too many Moz 0.9.7 problems but I haven't used it that much. I'm thinking my problems are with XFCE, but who knows at this point. I *do* however, like XFCE a lot and if I can sort out the problems, I may use it on my normal machine instead of KDE. = -- Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
On December 26, 2001 05:23 am, Tim Wunder wrote: You could also try changing your chrome. Occasionally that fixes things. But, that being said, I suspect that upcoming milestones (0.9.8, 0.9.9, 0.9.10) should reverse the seeming destablization trend. That's what I would expect as well 0.9.7 isn't the only poor milestone from Mozilla that I've experienced problems with. If only Opera would start releasing versions of their browser for linux other than these tech preview releases. I'm currently running Opera 6.0 TP2 and am regularly getting moments where it'll hog a whole pile of cpu time... and sometimes it shoots up to 95% cpu usage and simply stays there... you're stuck dropping to the command line and killing its processes. *sighs* I'm used to Opera being fairly light on resource usage. David Aikema ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
David Aikema wrote: On December 26, 2001 05:23 am, Tim Wunder wrote: You could also try changing your chrome. Occasionally that fixes things. But, that being said, I suspect that upcoming milestones (0.9.8, 0.9.9, 0.9.10) should reverse the seeming destablization trend. That's what I would expect as well 0.9.7 isn't the only poor milestone from Mozilla that I've experienced problems with. To paraphrase the Moz developers (at least those who post to the newsgroups), Mozilla isn't for end users, per se. Only those users who are willing to test the Mozilla platform. If you want a stable, end user app, go with Netscape 6x, or Beonex. You'll be several steps in development behind Moz, but it should be a much more stable app. Even the pitiful Netscape 6.0 was more stable than the Mozilla 0.8 milestone that was released near the same time. Mozilla's milestone releases are, essentially, a slightly polished nightly. They are not immune to ANY of the problems that a typical nightly might have. That's the main reason I haven't used a milestone release in months. 0.9.4 is the last I installed under Win2K, and I rarely used it, I haven't installed a milestone under linux since I upgraded my COL2.4 to COL3.1 a few months back. In fact, if you grab a nightly from a week or so after a milestone release, you'll probly be much happier with it. Many bugs found in the milestone, as a result of more people using it, will be fixed in the upcoming nightlies. If only Opera would start releasing versions of their browser for linux other than these tech preview releases. I'm currently I've got no interest in Opera, at this point. But choice is a beautiful thing... Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
On December 25, Net Llama enlightened our ignorance thusly: [mozilla bug count growing?] % Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? I haven't noticed, but it's been several weeks since I used it last. Kurt -- If you live in a country run by committee, be on the committee. -- Graham Summer ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
I've been an advid Mozilla fan since something like BUILD 15. I've made Mozilla my primary browser since about release 0.8, and i've seen some fairly impressive progress, up until recently. I'm typing this on 0.9.7 (the latest stable release) and i've noticed that since 0.9.6 mozilla seems to have become more buggy unstable. Over the past month, Mozilla locks up on me *alot*, and segfaults (Netscape style) almost daily. The lock ups used to be a seldom occurance, perhaps once a week, if that. The segfaults *never* happened to me, and now its almost expected. My web surfing habits haven't changed. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:54:10 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been an advid Mozilla fan since something like BUILD 15. The lock ups used to be a seldom Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? I've been using 0.96 for quite some time with success, and on the strength of your posting I won't be in a hurry to update. Thanks. In fact I've become quite a fan of galeon, which as you know uses the mozilla engine, but wraps it in a (in my opinion) nicer package. I use sylpheed for mail/news, so don't mozilla for that, and galeon is quick and very functional. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
On December 25, 2001 01:23 pm, Ken Moffat wrote: I've been an advid Mozilla fan since something like BUILD 15. The lock ups used to be a seldom Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? I've been using 0.96 for quite some time with success, and on the strength of your posting I won't be in a hurry to update. Thanks. In fact I've become quite a fan of galeon, which as you know uses the mozilla engine, but wraps it in a (in my opinion) nicer package. I use sylpheed for mail/news, so don't mozilla for that, and galeon is quick and very functional. Well... it all depends on the particular build I've found. I've noticed some plugins in 0.9.3 with plugin use so I ended up replacing it with 0.9.6 once again. 0.9.6 was a pretty cool build IMHO. I think 0.9.3 was another build though, like 0.9.7 appears to be, that its best off avoiding. I've never really come to like galeon although I haven't played with it for more than a few hours. David Aikema ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
