Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Tom Wilson
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:59, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: [snip] Here in the Sovereign State of North Carolingia the Booze Bureaucrats decide what can be sold to us groundlings. This is fittingly analogous to the method by which M$ and SCO contrive with the politicians and judiciary to limit

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Tim Wunder
On 7/31/2003 8:48 AM, someone claiming to be Tom Wilson wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:59, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: [snip] snip Actually, I could sure go for a Belgian Rodenbach right now, but the North Carolina Booze Bureaucrats have ruled that I may not buy this delectable brew here. SCOL!

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine shocked and awed us all by speaking: I have all the time needed but not the expertise anymore. The only thing that I can contribute is time and labour, there would have to be a dedicated list for this too, easy nuff I guess.

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine shocked and awed us all by speaking: Doug, mate! Do you not remember one angry old fart a couple of years ago that was not going to let go of Caldera. He tried updating for a while till he became a real nuciance on a certain list.

Re: I get a lot from router

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Good. Glad to hear it. :) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:02:48 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 04:25 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Hope it's all working for you. I've been offline for a week so I might have missed it, but what's the status of this? Are you able

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Correction... Users DO care WHY they were blocked, but they aren't going to let you know that since they are using you as a vent-sink. Those who are clueless are also calling their IT guy (yes, even SMB's have those, contract or on-staff) As for blocking, that's all well and good unless you

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
I am also not afraid of RBL's since I AM in control of my email servers. The only thing that scares me about RBL's is people using them without understanding what's important. It's kinda like choosing an Email server. Those who are clueless choose Exchange and plug it into the Internet... and

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:36:04 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize that I'm not alone in blocking domains and that it is mainly an act of total frustration and completely unfair to the unculpable user. OTOH, as I stated before, one domain...big deal...one hundred...BIG

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:07:19 -0400 Wil McGilvery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blocking domains doesn't really work. One of my customer's employees couldn't send mail to his house because his personal ISP was using RBL's and the work mail server ip was in an address block that had been listed. The

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Good point... but I'd need more specific real-world details in order to respond since I've not found too many instances where RBL's have blocked an ISP's email servers. Those that I am aware of, the situation has been resolved quickly by the ISP and generally a Spammer gets ousted. On Thu, 31

IPv6 and v4

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Anyone an expert of v6? I've been digging a bit, but am still very low on the know-how scale. Of particular interest at the moment: * IPv6 networks talking to IPv4 networks * above, reversed * DHCP and IPv6, and selecting ranges for internal site addresses * NAT and IP Mobility.. * Obviously,

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Correction... Users DO care WHY they were blocked, but they aren't going to let you know that since they are using you as a vent-sink. Those who are clueless are also

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
Tim Wunder wrote: On 7/31/2003 8:48 AM, someone claiming to be Tom Wilson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:59, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: > [snip] >>Actually, I could sure go for a Belgian Rodenbach right now, but the >>North Carolina Booze Bureaucrats have ruled that I >>may not buy this

RE: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Wil McGilvery
Oops. Bad sentence. I realize blocking domains is different than rbl's and ip addresses. I should have split the two ideas up. I use RBl's, but I don't agree with blocking out IP address blocks or domains for the reasons already stated. The customer switched ISP's because the problem with the

Who's going to LinuxWorld next week?

2003-07-31 Thread Net Llama!
I'm planning to attend on Tuesday. Anyone else going to be there that day? Perhaps we could meet up for lunch? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was stroked. Now here in Ohio, we drive to Kentucky and get

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:04:05AM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... You're assunming that only users in a business environment are effected. In reality, its mostly home users who are getting punished by this stuff, and

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:01:54 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The broadband providers could mitigate this problem by blocking incoming traffic to their customer's systems on ports 25, 80, and commonly used proxy ports. When @HOME was running the ATT cable network, they were doing

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:37:30 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for a case of Miller

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Tom Wilson
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:37, Bill Campbell wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was

OTRe: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Tim Wunder
On 7/31/2003 1:36 PM, someone claiming to be Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:37:30 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill

What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Tina M Berendt
Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:35:53PM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:37, Bill Campbell wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Collins Richey: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:01:54 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The broadband providers could mitigate this problem by blocking incoming traffic to their customer's systems on ports 25, 80, and commonly used proxy ports. When @HOME was running the ATT

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant 2) It was very

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:03, Tim Wunder wrote: Perhaps we should have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list... I'm game. Then we could discuss things like the little known but quite fun Stockholm beer festival. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:35, Tom Wilson wrote: Agreed. I prefer fine English Ales myself. But I was on vacation with the family so I had to please the, err, unenlightened beer drinkers. Oddly, bitters are considered the cheaper of British offerings, yet they are more to my taste. Still, my

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread dep
quoth Roger Oberholtzer: | Oddly, bitters are considered the cheaper of British offerings, yet | they are more to my taste. Still, my all time favorite British ale is | the Kentish Bishop's Finger. Too bad the pub across the street has it | on tap. This way my wife can look out the window and see

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:20:04PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Shawn L Johnston
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:23, Bill Campbell wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:20:04PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Campbell shocked and awed us all by speaking: Road Runner has very effective anti-spam policies in place, and you rarely see major abuse from their network. COMCAST is the most noticeable source spews pepsi on screen You gotta be kidding!

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn L Johnston shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. whilst I agree, that's not very specific is it? In

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) nod. much like Knoppix's hardware detection

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas J Hunley shocked and awed us all by speaking: whilst I agree, that's not very specific is it? In fact, it's rather objectively non-specific. got any details Shawn? damn! s/objectively/subjectively/ - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Aaron Grewell
1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? It seemed to me that they picked a set of categories

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Richard Thompson
At 01:49 PM 7/31/03 -0400, you wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Andrew Mathews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tina M Berendt wrote: | Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old | Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify | what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? | The

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes. Since I'm currently unemployed, I got nothing else taking up my time... - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:36 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine shocked and awed us all by speaking: Doug, mate! Do you not remember one angry old fart a couple of years ago that was not going to let go of Caldera. He tried updating for

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
So instead of getting inundated with SPAM, now we are inundated with requests to SPAM us... Sorry, I'm not buying. Again, it doesn't scale. My inbox does not need the DDOS that this would cause. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:22:04 -0400 Wil McGilvery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do; however, feel

Re: Who's going to LinuxWorld next week?

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:33 am, Net Llama! wrote: I'm planning to attend on Tuesday. Anyone else going to be there that day? Perhaps we could meet up for lunch? As walking on water is one of my specialities, these days, and I need the excersize, I'll see if I can make it on time. -- Keith

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Michael Hipp
Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? - It was solid. It worked. It was stable. Gave the impression that some real QA had gone into it. - Webmin and Caldera's extensions to the KDE control center were great. - They focused on 1 GUI and made that one work really well.

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
RR is one of the worst networks I've ever had the habit of sending abuse reports to... not that they ever noticed. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:56:03 -0400 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Campbell shocked and awed us all by speaking:

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
* Things generally worked. * Install was beautiful and intelligent (found my network settings and installed while I finished supplying config info) * Packages were used AS IS. Any config or comealong tools worked with the original config files (which allowed you to manually edit the conf files

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Speak for yourself, jerk-wad :) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:30:39 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may bicker, roll our eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a list worth listening to. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:37 am, Bill Campbell wrote: I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc. for any price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout is available. The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use Miller Lite for is slug

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:08 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.

RE: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Wil McGilvery
Who said you would get any requests? That would defeat the purpose of the whole idea. :) Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406  FAX www.LynchDigital.com -Original Message- From: Matthew

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread James Conner
On Thursday 31 July 2003 05:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Collins Richey
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:13:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes. Since I'm currently unemployed, I got nothing else

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Michael Hipp
Keith Antoine wrote: Bill, you seem to have a penchant for causeing me strife. However actually we are currently using it to try and drown the the bloody 'fire' ants that got imported by ship into queensland from the US. They have had some initial sucess but last night they were found in

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:40 am, Shawn L Johnston wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. Shawn Yes, that describes it souciently. Plus maintenance was so easy it did not matter, rpm or

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: > I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good > fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the > unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:40 am, Richard Thompson wrote: From my perspective eD was great simply because it worked. It worked each time I installed it, it continued to work, and it, in fact, still works on at least one machine. The installer worked, the combination of executables and libraries

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I still keep eDesk 2.4 on an old P 233 box. It is a word

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Jerry McBride
On Thursday 31 July 2003 01:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. --snip-- - It cleanly installed on just about

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Net Llama!
No offense, but what's with the critique of answers? I didn't realize that this had do be an essay with well thought out replies. On 07/31/03 12:01, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M

Re: Who's going to LinuxWorld next week?

2003-07-31 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/31/03 14:21, Keith Antoine wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:33 am, Net Llama! wrote: I'm planning to attend on Tuesday. Anyone else going to be there that day? Perhaps we could meet up for lunch? As walking on water is one of my specialities, these days, and I need the excersize, I'll see

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:14:33PM -0400, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth collins: Andrew Mathews wrote: Use a responsible ISP instead? Why should you suffer because they're incompetent? As long as they're the only game in town they don't *have* to bend to meet customer demands. When you start spending your money with someone else, large chunks of material

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth James Conner: On Thursday 31 July 2003 05:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: [clip] So, what *specifically* made eD so great? [snip] Sometimes I wonder if the 'warm fuzzies' from eD2.4 are just nostalgia, kinda like that car you had, or that favorite chair, or is it genuine admiration

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Keith Antoine: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:08 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss

Re: spam issues

2003-07-31 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/31/03 17:11, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth collins: That presumes you have a choice. As I stated earlier, there is no high speed access choice here. Even if there were, as soon as I were to You have a choice, dial-up or broadband access. You just don't get to choose between broadband ISP A

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Bob Hemus
Tina M Berendt wrote: snip So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm not linux learned. I got POed at M$ and not knowing much stumbled upon Indiot's Guide to Linux and started with 1.3. I migrated to 2.2, 2.3 and finally to eD2.4. Everything worked on my box. When it didn't I called

What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Alma J Wetzker
Speaking for myself, I liked the fact that I could configure everything from the GUI either with an app or the web. The configuration tools left the comments in the config files so that you could edit those manually. If you edited the config files, you could still use the GUI tools to

well, why not

2003-07-31 Thread dep
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/6429877.htm Government issues second warning on Microsoft security flaw LOS ANGELES - The Department of Homeland Security has issued an unprecedented second warning to Internet users about a security flaw in Microsoft Corp. software that could

and, while we're at it . .

2003-07-31 Thread dep
while the san jose paper notes it's a microsoft problem, computerworld notes that it's probably more than just a potential inconvenience: http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,83619,00.html?nas=PM-83619 Concerns mount over possible big Net attack A flaw that

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Collins Richey: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:13:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes. Since I'm currently

Re: gee. what a surprise.

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth dep: i could have sworn i read something like this on linux and main awhile back . . . Ayup. IBM's been reading LM to find out what the party line is this week, I see. :-) http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5057840.html?tag=fd_top An IBM executive has claimed that a set of forces is

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Andrew Mathews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Carpenter wrote: | Speak for yourself, jerk-wad :) | | On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:30:39 -0600 | Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | |We may bicker, roll our |eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a |list

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Tina M Berendt: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD,

(fwd) How to bring up kernel 2.6.0-test1 on Redhat 9.0

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Here's a HOWTO some of you might find useful. I've not put it up as a Step because it is already hosted elsewhere and the editors have agreed that externally maintained material does not belong on the SxS. Nevertheless, you might find this useful, so I've passed it along. Enjoy, Kurt -

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Michael Scottaline
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:05:05 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:40 am, Shawn L Johnston wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. Shawn Yes,

Re: elx doing well in India

2003-07-31 Thread Ken Moffat
collins wrote: Having tried elx (not bad) in the past, I was intrigued to see this review: That's a helluva lot of new linux customers! I tried elx when they were in their first beta run, and it was impressive, but too friendly for my taste, being a tinkerer at heart. -- Ken

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:01:04 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Collins Richey: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:13:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various

Re: elx doing well in India

2003-07-31 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:56:45 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: collins wrote: Having tried elx (not bad) in the past, I was intrigued to see this review: That's a helluva lot of new linux customers! I tried elx when they were in their first beta run, and it was

Re: elx doing well in India

2003-07-31 Thread Ken Moffat
Collins Richey wrote: Yeah, me too. But I don't have to do quite as much tinkering as I used to since I have the tinkerers on the gentoo development staff backing me up. About 98% of the time, they tinker until it's done, then release it. The 2% is something that just slipped through the

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/31/03 19:25, Collins Richey wrote: If I had just a little more cold hard cash laid away, I would say my gain. I enjoyed my work, but I never realized the almost invisible stress that I was subjected to. I'm sleeping better, wide awake and alert in the daytime. This should last until I

HELP ! - ASSUS A7S266-VM

2003-07-31 Thread Bruno Vieira
Please i need some help. I bought an Assus motherboard A7S266-VM and i coldn´t configure his on-board net-card. Someone knows how to configure it ? This board uses the sis 961. My system: Red Hat 9.0 Kernel 2.4 Thanks a lot. ___ Linux-users

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:05 am, Collins Richey wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:13:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes.

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:02 am, Michael Hipp wrote: The fire ants came to use by ship from S. America in the same uninvited way. And don't expect much success. The only thing that seems to even slow them down is cold weather. We have had a real good eradication program: started up as soon as

Re: IPv6 and v4

2003-07-31 Thread Rick Sivernell
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:55:20 -0400 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone an expert of v6? I've been digging a bit, but am still very low on the know-how scale. Of particular interest at the moment: * IPv6 networks talking to IPv4 networks * above, reversed * DHCP and IPv6,

Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)

2003-07-31 Thread Ken Moffat
Keith Antoine wrote: I was lucky and got retired before this all came in. The problem is that if you are over 25 your ratshit these days. The senior menu in nice at restaurants. ;-) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Myles Green
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 17:58, Bill Campbell wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:14:33PM -0400, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
Keith Antoine wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: > Lots of people wrote too much to quote. > > Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming > another eDesk 2.4 wake. > Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past >

Re: HELP ! - ASSUS A7S266-VM

2003-07-31 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/31/03 19:58, Bruno Vieira wrote: Please i need some help. I bought an Assus motherboard A7S266-VM and i coldn´t configure his on-board net-card. Someone knows how to configure it ? This board uses the sis 961. My system: Red Hat 9.0 Kernel 2.4 Thanks a lot.

Re: What was it about eD 2.4?

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Carpenter
:) Glad to know we can still joke around. I still remember the first time you and I spoke... it was not necessarily pleasant, in fact I believe Kurt had to step in :) Great to still be seeing you, mate! Time does odd things. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:08:34 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED]