Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:04:23 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth James McDonald: | But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction? he has that far-away look of the true believer, the staunch idealogue who is untroubled by minor details such as reality. Ever the diplomt; I would have said because he is an a##hole. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Jack Berger wrote: Good analogy on the sears tools bit, but we do use a lot of the gnu tools on our solaris systems. That's cause Solaris is almost unusable with the tools that are native to the OS. Im still baffled to this day why anyone voluntarily uses Sun hardware or Solaris, but that's prolly an entirely different topic for a different mailing list. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
quoth Collins Richey: | On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:04:23 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | quoth James McDonald: | | But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction? | | he has that far-away look of the true believer, the staunch | idealogue who is untroubled by minor details such as reality. | | Ever the diplomt; I would have said because he is an a##hole. you are the first person ever to accuse me of being a diplomat!g -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 22:17, Michael Hipp wrote: And he better wake up, IMHO, and realize that GNU and the GPL are very much on the table in this SCO debacle. He may start to get the idea when SCO's liars, er lawyers, show up with the subpoena. Cheers, Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
Consuming 1.3K bytes, dep blathered: http://www.forbes.com/2003/11/13/cz_dl_1113sco.html?partner=yahooreferrer= My favorite part: Oddly enough, on Nov. 11, SCO Executive Vice President Christopher Sontag complained to Forbes about IBM's decision to send subpoenas to investors and analysts who supported SCO. Sontag called the move 'an attempt to bully and intimidate' and said IBM was engaged in 'legal gamesmanship.' So why didn't Sontag mention that, uh, SCO itself was about to target Torvalds and Stallman with subpoenas? SCO's spokesman says Sontag and Darl McBride, SCO's chief executive, did not know that SCO's lawyers were planning the move. But the 'Who's on first?' act is tough to swallow since it turns out SCO notified IBM of its plans to seek discovery from these parties more than a month ago, on Oct. 5. And SCO told the court about its plans at 4:34 P.M. on Nov. 11, only hours after Sontag spoke to Forbes. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ... I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' RMS get stuffed! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
I guess he doesn't recognize that Linus had much to do with it. If it weren't for Linus nobody would be using any of the GNU tools because there wouldn't be anything to use them on G! I guess everything I've made with my Sears tools I need to label Sears/whatever i- i.e Sears/workbench, Sears/shelves. Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ... I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' RMS get stuffed! -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
quoth James McDonald: | But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction? he has that far-away look of the true believer, the staunch idealogue who is untroubled by minor details such as reality. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
On Thursday 13 November 2003 10:26 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ... I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' RMS get stuffed! Aw... don't be bashful... tell us what you really think. :') -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 10:10pm up 44 days, 3:03, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
I guess everything I've made with my Sears tools I need to label Sears/whatever i- i.e Sears/workbench, Sears/shelves. I like the above ... lol. Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ... I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' RMS get stuffed! I think Richard Stallman is carrying a rather large wound in his pride because the hurd kernel has never taken off. Admittedly the tools GNU provides are critical to the functioning and construction of the Linux Kernel (please correct me if I'm wrong). But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction? -- James McDonald Systems Engineer Singleton NSW Australia ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
Good analogy on the sears tools bit, but we do use a lot of the gnu tools on our solaris systems. And yes, rms does exhibit that far away look as dep describes. -jhb- From: Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess he doesn't recognize that Linus had much to do with it. If it weren't for Linus nobody would be using any of the GNU tools because there wouldn't be anything to use them on G! I guess everything I've made with my Sears tools I need to label Sears/whatever i- i.e Sears/workbench, Sears/shelves. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
James McDonald wrote: I think Richard Stallman is carrying a rather large wound in his pride because the hurd kernel has never taken off. Admittedly the tools GNU provides are critical to the functioning and construction of the Linux Kernel (please correct me if I'm wrong). But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction? He seems to have long ago become a theologian instead of a practitioner. I'm glad for all the components that make up our Linux and OSS systems. Lose any major piece and it could set us back years. But Linux is a moniker that, for whatever reason, sells and has achieved unprecedented name recognition and mindshare. Why can't RMS leave well-enough alone? And he better wake up, IMHO, and realize that GNU and the GPL are very much on the table in this SCO debacle. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
