Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On Mon 19 Mar 2012 12:18:07 NZDT +1300, Nick Rout wrote: Lesson 1, back up the computer the moment you unpack it Lesson 2, at least back up the efi file the moment you unpack the computer, and make a note of the details of the special partition Lesson 3, remember where the hell you put the backup. Lesson 4, have a PXE booting Linux at your fingertips. Lesson 5, teach SO *NOT* to turn the new shiny box on following all the prompts about setup, registration, until Lesson 1 has been completed. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
Bah! Precise Pangolin Oopsed. Try again in the most vanilla of configurations for Precise Raging hard after listening to Matt Garret's talk. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:05 PM, John Carter john.car...@taitradio.comwrote: Alas, no, the American Megatrends (AMI) Aptio Setup Futility in the Asus 1215B doesn't have such an option. I have some hope in that Arch linux install succeeded and I have seen rumours on the 'net that Precise Pangolin will do better I anxiously await for the .iso download to complete. Yip Matt Garret hates UEFI and the problem with that is he clearly knows what he is talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76U On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Ross Drummond r...@ashburton.co.nzwrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, John Carter wrote: Alas, all indications from what I can see in front of me indicate that You and Ross are indeed correct. Carter's Law of Marketing in Action: Once a company reaches a certain size, all it's marketing efforts become concentrated on making their customers hate them. Some motherboards have the option of enabling legacy boot mode which I understand means old style MBR boot loading. Check your bios set up munu or motherboard documentation. Cheers Ross Drummond ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Tait ElectronicsFax : (64)(3) 359 4632 PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : john.car...@taitradio.com New Zealand -- John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Tait ElectronicsFax : (64)(3) 359 4632 PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : john.car...@taitradio.com New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. === ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
Spotted any Billyware on a USB stick lately? There isn't even a CD that comes with these machines. Just a fancy microsoft sticker on the underside. So if that partition goes, my only copy of windows goes with it. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Volker Kuhlmann list0...@paradise.net.nzwrote: On Mon 19 Mar 2012 11:41:44 NZDT +1300, Ross Drummond wrote: This is where UEFI lives. On no account should you blow away this partition witout knowing exactley what you are doing. Romoving this partition will most likely brick your computer I rather doubt that. It would mean the box is dead even when you want to boot from USB with a dead hard disk. Not even Billyware is that dumb. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Tait ElectronicsFax : (64)(3) 359 4632 PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : john.car...@taitradio.com New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. === ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012, John Carter wrote: Spotted any Billyware on a USB stick lately? There isn't even a CD that comes with these machines. Just a fancy microsoft sticker on the underside. So if that partition goes, my only copy of windows goes with it. Their will be an option to create a system recovery disc for the computer in Windows somewhwhere. Warning: The system recovery disc will probably harm your Linux installation if you are dual booting. Cheers Ross Drummond ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On 20 March 2012 10:12, John Carter john.car...@taitradio.com wrote: Spotted any Billyware on a USB stick lately? There isn't even a CD that comes with these machines. Just a fancy microsoft sticker on the underside. So if that partition goes, my only copy of windows goes with it. I know somebody who installs windows from a USB memory key just filled with the contents of a windows install disk and made bootable. Its not official installation media, but it seems to work ( and its faster, no silly disk spinning nonsense ) n.b. This may or may not work with legitimate copies of windows, but and is more likely to work with legitimate copies of windows. -- Kent perl -e print substr( \edrgmaM SPA NOcomil.ic\\@tfrken\, \$_ * 3, 3 ) for ( 9,8,0,7,1,6,5,4,3,2 ); ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On 19/03/12 9:11 AM, John Carter wrote: Not that the old one was lovable BIOS, was a kludgy kludge pasted on top of a badly kludged kludge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface Either way UEFI is what is standing between me and a brand new dual booting Asus 1215B netbook. Of tuppence I'd blast away the Windows 7 partition, but my Glorious Overlady, She Who Must Be Obeyed wants me to keep it. Sigh! Not having much luck with Oneiric Ocelot amd64... I can install and run Oneiric trivially, the blinking UEFI boot code merely insists on booting windows and only windows. Downloading a daily build of Precise Pangolin now and will give that a try. Look for anything about Legacy Mode in the config, and turn it on. I'm sure uefi will be great when its established and stable, but for now its like running 64 bit or a ndiswrapper wireless NIC 6-8 years ago. I've got a IBM x3250 M4 server here, that takes 4 minutes to get through the whole detection booting thing. Whereas my asus netbook gets through it in about 4 seconds, or half a second if I turn on fastboot. -- C. Falconer ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, John Carter wrote: Not that the old one was lovable BIOS, was a kludgy kludge pasted on top of a badly kludged kludge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface Either way UEFI is what is standing between me and a brand new dual booting Asus 1215B netbook. Of tuppence I'd blast away the Windows 7 partition, but my Glorious Overlady, She Who Must Be Obeyed wants me to keep it. Sigh! Not having much luck with Oneiric Ocelot amd64... I can install and run Oneiric trivially, the blinking UEFI boot code merely insists on booting windows and only windows. Downloading a daily build of Precise Pangolin now and will give that a try. Boot Windows as an administrator user, type compmgmt.msc into the search box in the windows menu. A window should open , choose Disk Management from the left hand panel. This should display the partitions on your hard srive. If your version of windows is using UEFI you should have a small patition at the start of the disk marked as SYTEM_DRV partition. This is where UEFI lives. On no account should you blow away this partition witout knowing exactley what you are doing. Romoving this partition will most likely brick your computer Chers Ross Drummond ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On 19/03/12 11:41, Ross Drummond wrote: This is where UEFI lives. On no account should you blow away this partition witout knowing exactley what you are doing. Romoving this partition will most likely brick your computer What? If that were the case it would also mean that you can't swap the disk out. Do you perhaps just mean that Windows would no longer boot? hads -- http://nice.net.nz ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Ross Drummond r...@ashburton.co.nz wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, John Carter wrote: Not that the old one was lovable BIOS, was a kludgy kludge pasted on top of a badly kludged kludge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface Either way UEFI is what is standing between me and a brand new dual booting Asus 1215B netbook. Of tuppence I'd blast away the Windows 7 partition, but my Glorious Overlady, She Who Must Be Obeyed wants me to keep it. Sigh! Not having much luck with Oneiric Ocelot amd64... I can install and run Oneiric trivially, the blinking UEFI boot code merely insists on booting windows and only windows. Downloading a daily build of Precise Pangolin now and will give that a try. Boot Windows as an administrator user, type compmgmt.msc into the search box in the windows menu. A window should open , choose Disk Management from the left hand panel. This should display the partitions on your hard srive. If your version of windows is using UEFI you should have a small patition at the start of the disk marked as SYTEM_DRV partition. This is where UEFI lives. On no account should you blow away this partition witout knowing exactley what you are doing. Romoving this partition will most likely brick your computer what happens when you replace that failing hard drive? ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On 19 March 2012 11:53, Nick Rout wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Ross Drummond wrote: This is where UEFI lives. On no account should you blow away this partition witout knowing exactley what you are doing. Romoving this partition will most likely brick your computer what happens when you replace that failing hard drive? If what Ross says is correct, then replacing the drive would require returning the computer to the manufacturer. If the warrantee is expired, that could prove very expensive. Yet another reason to hate UEFI - if this is correct. Yuri ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, yuri wrote: If what Ross says is correct, then replacing the drive would require returning the computer to the manufacturer. If the warrantee is expired, that could prove very expensive. Yet another reason to hate UEFI - if this is correct. Yuri I haven't actually wrangled with UEFI and Linux so what I am telling you is all book learning. From the Wikipedia page; UEFI does not rely on a working boot sector only, but needs a special partition table referring to a special partition containing a specially located file with a standardized name depending on the actual architecture to boot (\EFI\BOOT\boot[architecture name].efi). Cheers Ross Drummond ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
Matt Garrett was been hating on UEFI for a while. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11235.html #LCA2012 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76Ufeature=results_videoplaynext=1list=PL29F2E5E2064A6539 ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] A new acronym to hate: UEFI
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, John Carter wrote: Alas, all indications from what I can see in front of me indicate that You and Ross are indeed correct. Carter's Law of Marketing in Action: Once a company reaches a certain size, all it's marketing efforts become concentrated on making their customers hate them. Some motherboards have the option of enabling legacy boot mode which I understand means old style MBR boot loading. Check your bios set up munu or motherboard documentation. Cheers Ross Drummond ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
