Re: strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-30 Thread Ali Abedi
Hi Adrian, We observed that this can happen for any rate for some SNR values. If the SNR is strong enough for the given MCS this won't happen. But when the SNR approaches the transition region when error rate starts to increase, this problem will be observed. So this can happen even for

Re: strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-30 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 30 October 2014 08:48, Ali Abedi a2ab...@uwaterloo.ca wrote: Hi Adrian, We observed that this can happen for any rate for some SNR values. If the SNR is strong enough for the given MCS this won't happen. But when the SNR approaches the transition region when error rate starts to

Re: strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-30 Thread Ali Abedi
The paper mentioned that this happens when the client is mobile. But I confirm Adrian's observation . This problem happens even in stationary environments with dynamic channels (e.g., people moving in the vicinity of the AP/Client). Best, Ali On 14-10-30 12:11 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: On 30

Re: strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-29 Thread Adrian Chadd
Just finally - MCS20 - MCS23 are very sensitive to changing channel anything. See if you can find or make some required SNR curves for each MCS rate. So although it doesn't surprise me to find this is happening, it's very cute that someone's gone and done the work of figuring out how to improve

Re: [ath9k-devel] strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-27 Thread Felix Fietkau
Hi Seongho, that paper looks quite interesting. Are you planning to publish code/patches for your implementation as well? It would be nice to have dynamic A-MPDU limiting integrated in minstrel_ht. Thanks, - Felix On 26/10/2014 12:14 AM, Seongho Byeon wrote: Hi, I am Ph.d. student in Seoul

Re: strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-25 Thread Ali Abedi
Hi Adrian, We have a high end spectrum analyzer. So we are sure there is no background interference We run our experiments in the 5 GHZ spectrum. The channel conditions can still vary due to the movement of the people in the vicinity of the experiment setup. We select a rate that experiences

Re: strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-25 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 24 October 2014 13:42, Ali Abedi a2ab...@uwaterloo.ca wrote: We don't use a rate adaptation at this moment (i.e., fixed rate) and the setup is stationary. So we expect to see relatively stable channel conditions. Even if the channel conditions change during the aggregated frame. The first

strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-24 Thread Ali Abedi
Hello, We study the effects of 802.11n frame aggregation on throughput. We noticed a strange pattern in the MPDU loss within an aggregated frame. It seems that the second half of the MPDUs (those with higher sequence numbers) in an aggregated frame are more likely to be lost. Is this a known

Re: [ath9k-devel] strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-24 Thread Krishna Chaitanya
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Kamran Nishat kamran.nis...@gmail.com wrote: But for this channel conditions should be changing at the scale of 100 micro secs consistently. On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: It's not completely unsurprising - the

Re: strange MPDU loss pattern

2014-10-24 Thread Ali Abedi
We don't use a rate adaptation at this moment (i.e., fixed rate) and the setup is stationary. So we expect to see relatively stable channel conditions. Even if the channel conditions change during the aggregated frame. The first half of the MPDUs have the same chance of experiencing worse