Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve)
I have a low end OVH VPS. I recall the monthly cost is really inexpensive (although the price increased last year) but I may be on some grandfathered plan. The starter VPS is US$4.20 for 1 core / 2 GB / 20 GB SSD / 100 Mbps unmetered. No idea if that will suffice. https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ca/vps/ https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ca/vps/ On 4/10/23 11:01, Dianne Skoll wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 10:48:25 -0400 J C Nash wrote: However, it seems we should be able to continue. We have about 18 months prepaid VPS. I notice our existing VPS is at OVH, which AFAIK charges around $8/month for the cheapest VPS. You can get comparable low-end VPSes at lunanode.com for USD $3.50/month. (Although they charge in USD, their data centres are in Canada.) I have a VPS at each of OVH and Luna Node and have not found much difference in terms of reliability, performace or tech support. A cheaper VPS would help donations go further. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org -- Timothy Forbes To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve) (fwd)
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, Dianne Skoll wrote: > > their low-end offering has more disk space than Luna Node > > (20GB vs 15GB) but half the RAM (512MB vs 1GB). On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 12:16:50PM -0400, Brett Delmage wrote: > This is more than enough RAM to run > * Mailman > * BIND authoritative / caching DNS server > * Postfix mail server > * Apache web server > * opendkim Are these numbers with or without the overhead of - Dovecot - OpenDMARC or SPF policy agent - Rspamd or Spamassassin - Munin, Prometheus/Thanos, Statsd, etc. Any of these particularly variable load? Or ever run out of control? I don't have historical data for my instance, or the human memory. I'm also on Postfix and OpenDKIM, and it's been rock-solid. I do not run Apache or Mailman, just static content over optimised (but non QUIC/HTTP/3) NGINX. > with room to spare. I have run these services on a 256 MB server when VPSs > were more expensive. > > # free -m >totalusedfree shared buff/cache available > Mem: 481 143 89 1 248 325 > Swap: 1023 397 626 This is typical load, right? Ever run close to the limit on systemctl restart of services after a pacman/apt/apk/dnf/zypper/etc. upgrade? Or due to the package manager itself? To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 18:04:51 + Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > I also note that the Illumos project is using a service called > "Topicbox" (https://www.topicbox.com/pricing) with success. ;) Looks cool, but all the email-lists-as-a-service providers seem to be significantly more expensive than an entire VPS. I don't know how many subscribers are on this list, but wouldn't be surprised if it were over 100. True, if you run the mailing list yourself there's some sysadmin overhead, but it's mostly when setting things up. Day-to-day management is pretty hands-off. I'm retiring at the end of April and am willing to lend a hand doing sysadmin work for OCLUG if that is needed as long as it doesn't add up to more than about 5 hours / month. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
I also note that the Illumos project is using a service called "Topicbox" (https://www.topicbox.com/pricing) with success. ;) Sincerely, Katie From: Raj Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 11:22:06 AM To: J C Nash Cc: James ; Jean-Francois Messier ; linux@linux-ottawa.org Subject: Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve Attention : courriel externe | external email Some of the other groups I'm with have moved to groups.io<http://groups.io>. The free tier seems pretty capable for handling basic mail group features and it has a utility to help migrate from listserv. Note that I'm not affiliated with or endorsing groups.io<http://groups.io> in any way, just that I have seen it used for similar purposes Raj
Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve)
In reference to "Keeping the lights on", I would be willing to kick in some bucks. I live in Perth, an hour west of Ottawa, and am glad not to have to drive in to attend meetings. The savings in gas/parking and convenience are worth it for me. Many moons ago I would drive home from work (in Kanata) have dinner with the family then drive back in (Centrepoint) attend a meeting then drive home again. After a long hiatus, re-joining the group was very nice. Different people, but still going. I would not want to see it end for lack of a few dollars to support the bare minimum of supporting infrastructure. I pledge $60, about the cost a tank of gas, which I don't have to spend getting to meetings :-) Cheers, Ian M. On 2023-04-10 12:02, BCLUG wrote: Dianne Skoll wrote on 2023-04-10 08:55: Yes, according tohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linode The linode.com web site is now branded "Akamai" Thanks Dianne. The promo codes have been offered under the Linode brand as recently as the last LNL podcast episode (also on the Linux After Dark, Linux Downtime, and Self Hosted podcasts), so that seems to be continuing. Another couple of surprises: > On February 15, 2022, Akamai Technologies announced its intent to > acquire Linode for $900 million; That it happened so long ago and I didn't hear about it, and that it sold for "only" $900,000,000. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve) (fwd)
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 12:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Brett Delmage wrote: > This is more than enough RAM to run > * Mailman > * BIND authoritative / caching DNS server > * Postfix mail server > * Apache web server > * opendkim I'd take the extra 512MB of RAM over the extra 5GB of disk, but YMMV. > The CACloud VPS also comes with 1 GB of swap, which extends the RAM > nicely. In my experience many VPS do not come with any swap. Casual > comparisons of VPS may not be valid. With Luna Node, you can install whatever OS you want from an ISO image, so if you want to configure swap, you can. > CACloud's SSD VPSs are located at 151 Front, providing excellent > latency for Ottawa and Canada in general. Luna Node's Toronto data centre is in the Cogent Data Center at 245 Consumers Rd in North York. My ping latency to my Luna Node box via Teksavvy DSL is a pretty constant 13ms. My latency to my OVH box is a pretty constant 18ms. My latency to www.canadianhosting.com is likewise a pretty constant 18ms. So *shrug* no idea if it's just because Teksavvy happens to have a better route to Luna Node, or what. > CACloud has been completely hassle-free to control or have set up > full mail server ports, and PTR records, both ipv4 and ipv6. Luna Node too. They also have a nice API (which is unlikely to be of much use unless you're setting up / managing dozens of VPSes.) Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve) (fwd)
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, Dianne Skoll wrote: There's also Canadian Web Hosting - not just located in Canada but Canadian-owned, from $7 CDN / month: https://www.canadianwebhosting.com/vps Interesting. I am still paying $5/month, maybe because I am grandfathered. their low-end offering has more disk space than Luna Node (20GB vs 15GB) but half the RAM (512MB vs 1GB). This is more than enough RAM to run * Mailman * BIND authoritative / caching DNS server * Postfix mail server * Apache web server * opendkim with room to spare. I have run these services on a 256 MB server when VPSs were more expensive. # free -m totalusedfree shared buff/cache available Mem: 481 143 89 1 248 325 Swap: 1023 397 626 The CACloud VPS also comes with 1 GB of swap, which extends the RAM nicely. In my experience many VPS do not come with any swap. Casual comparisons of VPS may not be valid. CACloud's SSD VPSs are located at 151 Front, providing excellent latency for Ottawa and Canada in general. CACloud's service has been consistently and remarkably _excellent_ over 15 years for me. I don't know how they do it when charging so little. Maybe because I treat support persons with respect and appreciation. CACloud has been completely hassle-free to control or have set up full mail server ports, and PTR records, both ipv4 and ipv6. --- Are there official minutes of the general meeting, including the list of atendees, quorum call, and votes on all resolutions? Will thay be posted here? Brett To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve)
Dianne Skoll wrote on 2023-04-10 08:55: Yes, according tohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linode The linode.com web site is now branded "Akamai" Thanks Dianne. The promo codes have been offered under the Linode brand as recently as the last LNL podcast episode (also on the Linux After Dark, Linux Downtime, and Self Hosted podcasts), so that seems to be continuing. Another couple of surprises: > On February 15, 2022, Akamai Technologies announced its intent to > acquire Linode for $900 million; That it happened so long ago and I didn't hear about it, and that it sold for "only" $900,000,000. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve)
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 08:46:55 -0700 BCLUG wrote: > Whoa, all news to me! > a) Akamai owns Linode?!? > b) Discontinuing the brand?!? Yes, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linode The linode.com web site is now branded "Akamai" Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve)
Dianne Skoll wrote on 2023-04-10 08:44: AFAIK, Akamai is discontinuing the Linode brand. Are they keeping the pricing and promotions in place? Whoa, all news to me! a) Akamai owns Linode?!? b) Discontinuing the brand?!? Interesting, will watch for news on this. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve)
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 08:36:22 -0700 BCLUG wrote: > Linode.com runs an affiliate program for various podcasts, and the > Late Night Linux podcast, for example, can get you $100 (USD?) credit > with the LNL promo code. AFAIK, Akamai is discontinuing the Linode brand. Are they keeping the pricing and promotions in place? > There's also Canadian Web Hosting - not just located in Canada but > Canadian-owned, from $7 CDN / month: > https://www.canadianwebhosting.com/vps Interesting... their low-end offering has more disk space than Luna Node (20GB vs 15GB) but half the RAM (512MB vs 1GB). Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve)
Dianne Skoll wrote on 2023-04-10 08:01: You can get comparable low-end VPSes at lunanode.com for USD $3.50/month. (Although they charge in USD, their data centres are in Canada.) That's a pretty good price. Linode.com runs an affiliate program for various podcasts, and the Late Night Linux podcast, for example, can get you $100 (USD?) credit with the LNL promo code. I think, but am unsure, that Linode has Canadian data centre(s). https://latenightlinux.com/ Go to https://linode.com/latenightlinux and get started with $100 credit. There's also Canadian Web Hosting - not just located in Canada but Canadian-owned, from $7 CDN / month: https://www.canadianwebhosting.com/vps https://www.canadianwebhosting.com/hosting/compare_our_products/ I can only endorse the LNL podcast, no personal experience with any of these hosting providers... rb To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
Some of the other groups I'm with have moved to groups.io. The free tier seems pretty capable for handling basic mail group features and it has a utility to help migrate from listserv. Note that I'm not affiliated with or endorsing groups.io in any way, just that I have seen it used for similar purposes Raj
Keeping the lights on (was Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve)
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 10:48:25 -0400 J C Nash wrote: > However, it seems we should be able to continue. We have about 18 > months prepaid VPS. I notice our existing VPS is at OVH, which AFAIK charges around $8/month for the cheapest VPS. You can get comparable low-end VPSes at lunanode.com for USD $3.50/month. (Although they charge in USD, their data centres are in Canada.) I have a VPS at each of OVH and Luna Node and have not found much difference in terms of reliability, performace or tech support. A cheaper VPS would help donations go further. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
Informal donations. A couple of people commented at meetings or on this list that they'd offer to hose wiki or mailing list. I suspect the reality could be a bit less generous, but I think we'll find some way to keep things going, though it may be less fancy. Scott noted that there are facilities like Google Groups, though their non-open nature may offend. However, it seems we should be able to continue. We have about 18 months prepaid VPS. JN On 2023-04-10 10:44, James wrote: I don't know. Apr. 10, 2023 10:42:34 Jean-Francois Messier : How will the funding of the web site and wiki will work ? Informal donations, pass the hat at in-person meetings, other ideas ? On 2023-04-09T18:46:58.000-04:00, James wrote: On 2023-04-09 17:43, Znoteer wrote: On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 04:19:37PM -0400, Tug Williams wrote: The numbers were 15 for, 1 against. And another one bites the dust. A bit sad, but such is life. I came here as a refugee from LUGs that were disappearing all around me. Thanks for letting me lurk. If the phoenix ressurects itself in some form with a mailing list/Fediverse identity, or something like that, please keep a list of our mailing list addresses (at least mine) so that you can let us know (at least me) if anything develops after this dissolution. VLUG in Victoria, for example, kind of melted into the then nascent Rasp Pi interest group. I think they still have the VLUG FQDN, but it's still a different Society. Good luck to everyone. It's not dead, only the legal part is. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
I don't know. Apr. 10, 2023 10:42:34 Jean-Francois Messier : > > How will the funding of the web site and wiki will work ? Informal donations, > pass the hat at in-person meetings, other ideas ? > > On 2023-04-09T18:46:58.000-04:00, James wrote: > > > > > On 2023-04-09 17:43, Znoteer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 04:19:37PM -0400, Tug Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The numbers were 15 for, 1 against. > > > > > > > > > > > And another one bites the dust. A bit sad, but such is life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came here as a refugee from LUGs that were disappearing all around me. > Thanks for letting me lurk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the phoenix ressurects itself in some form with a mailing list/Fediverse > identity, or something like that, please keep a list of our mailing list > addresses (at least mine) so that you can let us know (at least me) if > anything develops after this dissolution. VLUG in Victoria, for example, > kind of melted into the then nascent Rasp Pi interest group. I think they > still have the VLUG FQDN, but it's still a different Society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck to everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not dead, only the legal part is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > > > > > > > > > > > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > > > > > > > > > > > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
How will the funding of the web site and wiki will work ? Informal donations, pass the hat at in-person meetings, other ideas ? On 2023-04-09T18:46:58.000-04:00, James wrote: > On 2023-04-09 17:43, Znoteer wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 04:19:37PM -0400, Tug Williams wrote: >> >>> The numbers were 15 for, 1 against. >> >> And another one bites the dust. A bit sad, but such is life. >> >> I came here as a refugee from LUGs that were disappearing all >> around me. Thanks for letting me lurk. >> >> If the phoenix ressurects itself in some form with a mailing >> list/Fediverse identity, or something like that, please keep a >> list of our mailing list addresses (at least mine) so that you can >> let us know (at least me) if anything develops after this >> dissolution. VLUG in Victoria, for example, kind of melted into >> the then nascent Rasp Pi interest group. I think they still have >> the VLUG FQDN, but it's still a different Society. >> >> Good luck to everyone. > > It's not dead, only the legal part is. > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to > linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 06:46:58PM -0400, James wrote: > > On 2023-04-09 17:43, Znoteer wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 04:19:37PM -0400, Tug Williams wrote: > > > The numbers were 15 for, 1 against. > > And another one bites the dust. A bit sad, but such is life. > > > > I came here as a refugee from LUGs that were disappearing all around me. > > Thanks for letting me lurk. > > > > If the phoenix ressurects itself in some form with a mailing list/Fediverse > > identity, or something like that, please keep a list of our mailing list > > addresses (at least mine) so that you can let us know (at least me) if > > anything develops after this dissolution. VLUG in Victoria, for example, > > kind of melted into the then nascent Rasp Pi interest group. I think they > > still have the VLUG FQDN, but it's still a different Society. > > > > Good luck to everyone. > > > It's not dead, only the legal part is. > So much the better! Thanks for the clarification! -- Znoteer znot...@mailbox.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
On 2023-04-09 17:43, Znoteer wrote: On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 04:19:37PM -0400, Tug Williams wrote: The numbers were 15 for, 1 against. And another one bites the dust. A bit sad, but such is life. I came here as a refugee from LUGs that were disappearing all around me. Thanks for letting me lurk. If the phoenix ressurects itself in some form with a mailing list/Fediverse identity, or something like that, please keep a list of our mailing list addresses (at least mine) so that you can let us know (at least me) if anything develops after this dissolution. VLUG in Victoria, for example, kind of melted into the then nascent Rasp Pi interest group. I think they still have the VLUG FQDN, but it's still a different Society. Good luck to everyone. It's not dead, only the legal part is. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 04:19:37PM -0400, Tug Williams wrote: > The numbers were 15 for, 1 against. And another one bites the dust. A bit sad, but such is life. I came here as a refugee from LUGs that were disappearing all around me. Thanks for letting me lurk. If the phoenix ressurects itself in some form with a mailing list/Fediverse identity, or something like that, please keep a list of our mailing list addresses (at least mine) so that you can let us know (at least me) if anything develops after this dissolution. VLUG in Victoria, for example, kind of melted into the then nascent Rasp Pi interest group. I think they still have the VLUG FQDN, but it's still a different Society. Good luck to everyone. -- Znoteer znot...@mailbox.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
[linux] Result of the OCLUG motion to dissolve
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